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Topic: Mid-Points: It really clears things up!
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missneptune unregistered
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posted March 07, 2009 03:03 PM
For the longest time I was lazy about calculating midpoints, but I finally did it, and it really opened my eyes. The thing is, midpoints come out in the external world far more, or at least that is the conclusion I've come up with. Has anyone done any extensive studies of midpoints, or knows any good websites. What I'm still figuring out is just how powerful is a planet when multiple midpoints are directly on it? One example I've got is Mars is square Neptune, I never really thought much of the effects until I realized the midpoint was located in my 9th house. I seem to have this tendency to have real power struggles/delusions when it comes to 9th house things. Another interesting midpoint is the Venus/Ascendant midpoint, according to Robert Hand this is how others perceive your Venusian nature in your immediate surroundings. IP: Logged |
missneptune unregistered
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posted March 07, 2009 03:13 PM
Here some good info: quote: It is probably safe to assume that most all astrologers will agree that two of the most important points in any chart are the Sun and Moon. While other points such as the Ascendant and Midheaven may be "suspect" due to the uncertainty of the birth (or event) time I've never known any astrologer to disregard the Sun and Moon. But have you ever considered the midpoint of these two? It is important! This midpoint can be easily found, either by counting the number of degrees between the Su and Mo and dividing by 2, or perhaps by carefully using a compass and ruler. In other words, it is the point half way between the Su and Mo, written as Su / Mo. Now, what if you found that your Su / Mo midpoint was right on top of Saturn by less than a degree of orb. Would this be significant? You bet it would! Or what if you found that transiting (or progressed or directed) Neptune is within 10 minutes orb of the Su/Mo midpoint? One (negative) manifestation of this would be the end of a marriage! Midpoints are indeed important. Just before we look at a few examples, let me clarify a few things. If we restrict a chart to only the "traditional" planets and points (Su, Mo, planets, Moon's Node, Ascendant and Midheaven) there are a total of 78 midpoints. One of the first things a midpoint astrologer has to determine is which midpoints to use; if too many are used our work becomes confusing. I have chosen to discuss the Su/Mo midpoint for three reasons. First, everyone should be very familiar with the energies of the Su and Mo, and secondly this midpoint is one of the important ones specified in Cosmobiology. Also, if the birth or event time is not known to be precise, it would be unwise to use faster moving points. There are other important midpoints of course, but keep in mind that this lecture is an introduction to basic midpoint astrology.
http://www.astrocollege.com/campus/libraries/The_Magic_Of_Midpoints.pdf IP: Logged |
cheshirekat unregistered
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posted March 07, 2009 03:14 PM
Im starting to study midpoint astrology, there's a nifty astrology web program that caculates midpoints:clairvisionastrology.com: You click on astrology->clairvision virtual astrologer->enter birth data->click on "view"-> scroll down to listing-> then click midpoints->click standards->click tropical If anyone wanted to see their midpoints but I am not sure how midpoints work but I've been looking for a book about them.x_x IP: Logged |
missneptune unregistered
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posted March 07, 2009 03:18 PM
The Sun/Moon midpoint is located in my 11th house at 21 degrees Scorpio, this is gonna take lots of pondering to figure out, its pretty close to my Pluto (my Pluto is about 10 degrees Scorpio). I never thought I had much a Scorpio influence, but this seems to suggest it. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 87 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 03:26 PM
Book?? This is a good one: http://www.donmc.com/ IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 03:52 PM
I want someone to do it for me. I'm all confused about it still IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 03:52 PM
D'OH! Double post.IP: Logged |
sunshine9 Knowflake Posts: 5 From: Chapel Hill, NC, US Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 04:00 PM
MVM, post the planetary positions of your natal Sun & Moon here, and we'll calculate it for you.Sunshine IP: Logged |
augentier unregistered
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posted March 07, 2009 04:05 PM
My Su/Mo midpoint is at 24 Sagittarius in my 2nd house..conjuncting my Uranus by 1 deg. and Mercury by 5 deg. I feel like I can relate to this even though I'm unsure what exactly midpoints represent. I definitely feel very Sagittarian. Everything this sign represents I feel is part of me..I am very connected to my intellectual, thinking, writing, speaking side (Mercury) and also my rebellious, changing, impulsive, offbeat side (Uranus). In synastry, my Sun-Mars midpoint exactly conjuncts my guy's Mars..what would this indicate? ------------------ Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 04:08 PM
WOW CHESHIRECAT - thanks so neat!I am so intrigued by midpoints cos l have sun and mercury conjunct my venus/mars mp plus cos l have such a tight stellium of : saturn 18' aries NN 18' aries moon 19' aries venus 21'' aries they all midpoint each other! IP: Logged |
sunshine9 Knowflake Posts: 5 From: Chapel Hill, NC, US Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 04:35 PM
I was just looking at the synastry chart I'd posted around here a few days ago (too lazy to pull up my natal), and my Su/Mo midpoint is not that exciting natally (both are in Capricorn) but it conjuncts the name-asteroid of the Pisces in his chart. So I looked at his Su/Mo midpoint, and it conjuncts his Neptune (ouch - T-square; he's got big-time Neptune issues esp. as they happen to also square his nodes and Saturn) and my Karma asteroid. Very interesting. I wonder what it means. Sunshine IP: Logged |
sunshine9 Knowflake Posts: 5 From: Chapel Hill, NC, US Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 04:41 PM
A bit OT:That's a interesting stellium you have there, Lara - so any Venus activity in your life happens to be linked to your soul purpose and brings lessons with it! My stellium's the boring variety - Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury in Capricorn. *yawn* My Sun's kinda spread out from the others too. My Venus is interesting though - it sextiles my Mars, squares my Neptune, trines my Uranus, and quincunxes both my rx Pluto & rx Saturn (is the point of a Yod, basically) - so any emotional involvement brings with it a whirlwind of ..well.. everything else. IP: Logged |
evander Knowflake Posts: 19 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 04:53 PM
I uploaded the General midpoints info from solar fire 7.06 gold : mediafire.com/file/01vzq1mwodv/GENERAL MIDPOINTS.txt Also that solar fire offers planet to midpoint interpretations. so if anyone wants that report done send me an email with the chart data. email is on my profile under interests
for example, I have these two: quote:
Moon = Jupiter / North Node +0°11' Linking together with others over shared emotions and feelings leads to formation of a group or community. You find particular happiness with partners and in relationships by a feeling that you have discovered a soul mate. Pluto = Moon / North Node -0°45' You might be drawn into a fated association or contact that changes your life. You are stimulated by and drawn towards intense and dominating people.
I must say though, that I put much more weight on Asteroids then on midpoints. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 05:23 PM
I have Solar Fire 7. I don't like their midpoint interpretations, and so I am not going to be using them when I post my results on the 22.5 series midpoints. The midpoint configurations for Saturn and Neptune are negative with no possibilities for positive things. I believe that every midpoint picture can have both positive and negative expressions with free will be the ultimate factor. Both the COSI and Rulebook of Planetary Pictures tend to interpret Saturn and Neptune configurations negatively. I prefer Ruth Brummond's Rulebook because it has positive and negative possibilities when it comes to interpretations. They including psychological,event,and medical things.
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 05:24 PM
Yup Sunshine I get all that other whirly stuff too as Venus (21') conjuncts amor 24' arie semi sextiles isis 20' taurus, mars 21' taurus and union 22' taurus squares valentine 21' cancer trines jupiter 25' leo quincunx pluto 20' virgo, uranus 25' virgo, neptune 25' scorpio and psyche 17' scorpio
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Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 87 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 05:53 PM
MVM ~You can get your midpoints graph from astro.com -- just go to the Free Horoscopes section, Extended Chart Selection, and choose the Pullen/Astrolog group, then in Please Select the Type of Chart You Want pick Aspect/Midpoint Grid Chart..... IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:00 PM
Thanks Zala, Sunshine OK....I know how to pull them up, but I don't really know what to do with them...how to read the grid. I think my sun/moon midpoint is in Cancer, I read that somewhere. But the grid is confusing. Don't want to hijack the thread here, sorry. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:06 PM
MVMLook at CHESHIRECAT'S post... l used her link and it's FAB IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:14 PM
Cool, thanks Lara EDIT: Oh, I forgot about that site! I like it! IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:17 PM
no worries! I'm laughing (jokey) that i'm having to direct a virgo to a post IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:20 PM
Heehee, a Virgo with Mercury square Saturn What the heck is the near/far stuff it's got listed??? IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 87 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:23 PM
MVM ~In the astro.com grid chart, the natal placements are in a diagonal from the top left to bottom right of this image. They divide the grid into two halves. The bottom (left) half is the natal planetary aspects. The top (right) half is the midpoints. Read to the right and upwards. For instance, the Sun/Moon midpoint is 11Leo50. The Ve/Ju mp in this graph is 21Gem05. The Me/Ne mp is 27Leo06. This person has Venus opp Saturn natally with an orb of 1:44 degrees, also Uranus sq Neptune with an orb of 00:42 min. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 247 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:24 PM
OK so my Sun/Moon midpoint is 4 degrees Cancer conjunct my natal Saturn (yuck) and my SN (yuck?)I don't know what any of this means.EDIT: Thanks, Zala I am looking at some of it now, and it's clicking slowly lol IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 420 From: aspideronmars Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 07, 2009 06:30 PM
near and far?It's either NEAR yuck or FAR yuck Seriously though, near is for example l have venus at 21' aries and mars at 21' taurus so my venus/mars mp is 6' taurus. This is the NEAR point. The FAR point is 6' scorpio. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 318 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted March 08, 2009 01:09 PM
how/where can one find some good interpretations? thanks for the solar fire offer but i'd rather not have to list them all here...and how do they relate in synastry...? IP: Logged |