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Topic: SOUTH NODE - Holding us back?
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GemGemGem
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posted March 28, 2009 09:46 PM
 
In synastry: Does the south node conjunction to personal planets lead to a feeling of the node person being held back, so they outgrow the planet person?There are so many different opinions on this, from what I've read. I was wondering if anyone can share their knowledge or personal experience. Theory 1:
Some say in synastry if someone's south node is conjunct another's personal planet, that the node person will feel held back and outgrow the planet person. Even though the south node person feels at home and comfortable with the planet person, eventually the node person will move on. Theory 2:
Some others say in synastry if someone's south node is conjunct another's personal planets, that their is karma there, and the planet person was responsible in a past life for helping the south node person with lessons learned, and there is potential for them to help eachother learn lessons in this lifetime together. A lot of married couples supposedly have these connections, and it helps in holding a couple together. Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward had South node conjunct Mercury and Jupiter. So which one is it? Does the south node conjunctions, make the node person outgrow the other and move on, or would it cause a familiarity that brings the two together and hold them together. So does it cause separation or act as glue? Also, does the conjunction have to be 1 degree or less to count? IP: Logged |
writesomething
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posted March 28, 2009 09:53 PM
Not everyone is meant to be their NORTH node. I say we are truly blessed to have people in our lives that touch our NORTH node.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 28, 2009 10:01 PM
Yeah, I agree with Writes.And I think it can go both ways, GemGem. Probably....like I've had someone's SN conjunct my personal planets and it felt comfy and it didn't hold me back. But I'm sure in some cases it can deal with like old patterns or something. I've been thinking about the nodes a lot, and I don't think the South Node is necessarily something we have to consciously work on getting away from. It's just a marker of where we've been, or like something we 'fall back on' at times. Maybe it's a net, maybe it's a prison...depends on the situation maybe? I have no idea about degrees though.... PS - I was married to someone who had their sun and Venus conjunct my NN. It didn't work - in fact, it held me back. So the node stuff is a question mark for me too sometimes  IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted March 28, 2009 10:05 PM
My North node is in Virgo. My ex-boyfriend's Sun was conjunct my North Node, but I don't feel like he helped me towards my North Node at all. I actually felt more like he held me back too, and eventually I was the one who outgrew him, even though he was a North Node contact.I just don't understand how the Nodes play into synastry. How does it feel to both the South/North Node and planet person? My south node is in Pisces, But I've never met anyone whose personal planets conjunct it within 3 degrees. Some say it actually should be only 1 degree or under to count as a conjunction when dealing with nodes.
MVM, do you know what degree your south node conjuncted his personal planets? I'm wondering if its felt wider than 3 degrees.
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alvarella777
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posted March 28, 2009 10:07 PM
GEMGEMGEM: I can relate to what you are saying here! I (the N.N.-person) felt "held back" too! And grew tired of that ... (outgrew the other person.)Only once I personally had a Node-conjunction (orb = 1 dg) with a person: I was the NORTH NODE - cojuncting his VERTEX. I felt ... exploited in a way. As if I had put out all the patience, tolerance, empathy and goodwill that I was able to gather in order to "understand" that person and help him "grow" ... and at first it seemed as if he was even depending/addicted to what I "taught" him ... It really is difficult to explain - but a strong mother/son or teacher/pupil-touch about that dynamics. Soon it started to feel akward for both parties. And at the end, when that thing was over ... I got the impression that all I had done and "invested" was in vain. Hm. My natal SOUTH NODE is cj. my VENUS, btw.... But I refuse to believe that my actual "love life" tends to "hold me back" ... no nice idea, to see your own life in this light! ;-) So I try to interpret it in another way: That I can count on my (past life) experience in love - as a solid foundation for personal growth in this lifetime. Maybe ... I don't need to (or shouldn't) put so much energy in my love life, this time - maybe I should concentrate on other things ... because I had my faire share of love in my past lifes already ...? That's how I try to soothe my nerves, with that Venus-South Node-conjunction.;-) IP: Logged |
writesomething
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posted March 28, 2009 10:08 PM
I also think it depends on what your nodes are and what path you are on spiritually. Some people repeat lessons, and thats just how it goes. I think North Node connections are very uncomfortable..because they force us to grow. South node connections are more common than North because most people cling to the past.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 28, 2009 10:14 PM
GemGem, that's weird, you too? Maybe conjunctions to the NN are meant to make the NN person outgrow the planet person in some way? Or just learn something from the planet person (well, that did happen, but it seemed like the message was to not be held back. Weird.)....
My NN contact was very tight (1 or two degrees for Sun & Venus).
South Node contact, I don't recall the degrees, sorry 
I just remember seeing it.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 28, 2009 10:17 PM
Yeah, Writes, it's true...'twas not 'comfy' really. I mean, it was, but there was a lot of hesitation on my part. I think it's reluctance of the unfamiliar.
My NN is in the 9th house, in Cappy. Between them and Cancers I seem to have a lot of connection and karma. But it's not like a bad thing, just a 'Oh. So it's you again. Yeah, I know you' kind of feeling LOLIP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted March 28, 2009 10:23 PM
There are some patterns in my mother that I feel are outdated but I chalk it up to her being raised old school and I don't feel like she truly holds me back. I admit that I've assumed the South node was very negative but then again, I've just remembered that my mother's sun is there and our relationship is not that bad for growth at all. There are still some negative qualities associated with the sign of the south node that I think should be 'outgrown' but perhaps if the SN is not so negative an experience as assumed, the lesson is to try and intergrate the South node with the North node in a way. IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted March 28, 2009 10:32 PM
I agree that I guess it would depend on the lessons we're supposed to learn in this lifetime, but with my NN in Virgo and SN in Pisces, I must say I have an automatic affinity for anyone with a major planet in Pisces, even though they square my major planets in Gemini. I always thought the affinity would be due to their planets falling in my 7th house, but maybe it has to do with the South node.I've actually learned the most life lessons from the Pisces individuals in my life, such as my mom, (Moon in Pisces) my best friend,(Moon in pisces) my other great friend (Mercury in Pisces). I can honestly say I haven't learned much from the Virgos in my life. The south node gets a bad rep. But they say it's very common to see them in long lasting marriages. IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted March 28, 2009 11:40 PM
I just read something interesting about how NN contacts in synastry mean the personal planet people are there to "help" the NN person along the way, so the NN person will eventually outgrow the planet person cause they have fulfilled their purpose. So why do they always talk about how south node contacts outgrow eachother? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 29, 2009 12:10 AM
Who knows. They also say Pluto conjunct Venus is soulmates and I think that it's overrated lol.
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writesomething
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posted March 29, 2009 12:12 AM
ditto on what mvm said. big whoop on venus conj. pluto.IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted March 29, 2009 12:18 AM
My Uncle Eddie's Venus is exactly conjunct my Pluto.I guess he and I are soulmates. Relatives can be soulmates. Raymond IP: Logged |
Dulce Luna
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posted March 29, 2009 12:21 AM
If I have to hear about venus-pluto and/or soulmates one more time I will be forced to choke a fool. IP: Logged |
writesomething
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posted March 29, 2009 12:22 AM
Dulce- NO kidding. I feel the same way. LOL.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 29, 2009 02:15 AM
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evander
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posted March 29, 2009 05:29 AM
I think it's the SN planet contacts in sinastry that challenge us to throw in the towel and say "I can't help it." , the real challenge is not to give into the sense of familiarity and the strange comfort feeling that always follows it. Only after resisting the old patterns waiting for us to fall into can we progress and turn a new leaf. I barely met any people with pisces influence I get along with. Actually. I met none now that I think of it. I have SN in Virgo in house 6
In my life, I've encountered a fair amount of people who activated that spot. Those were some people I was immediately spotting and getting close too. And in a way, i've been my own enemy for it. Personal growth hurts  IP: Logged |
girlloveboy
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posted March 29, 2009 06:57 AM
I absolutely agree with evander.I think the main challange with the South Node connections is, that its very painful to let those persons go,once you got close to them, because they are usually - or always - are people whome you spent many lives together in the past...and so we feel very comfortable with them. Some weeks ago i met my current boyfriend,who is the first guy i have a N.Node contact with. Before him, i was in love with 2 men, and with both of them i hade South Node connection. They are both played - and still plays - a very important role in my life, and im sure, that without those expereiences, and sometimes painful lessons with them, i would not be happy with my bf now.
I liked instantly those two guys i have South Node connection with, and from the first moment, it felt so comfortable and easy with them. While with my bf, whose Jupiter exactly conjunct my N.Node-Mercury conjunction, i didt feel at all this familiar thing, whats more, i not even liked him at first.  But now, i very much feel that we got together because we have to learn from each other and help to get along in life. And im so happy with him now 
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Peri
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posted March 29, 2009 07:00 AM
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Some say in synastry if someone's south node is conjunct another's personal planet, that the node person will feel held back and outgrow the planet person. Even though the south node person feels at home and comfortable with the planet person, eventually the node person will move on.
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Glaucus
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posted March 29, 2009 09:58 AM
My grandfather's Venus-Ceres conjunct my maternal grandmother's South Node, and they got together only briefly. He met her when she already had a daughter. He went to Korea. My grandmother gave birth to my mother. She tried to give up my mom up for adoption,but my grandfather wouldn't allow it. He kept my mother. My grandmother disappeared without a trace. He wasn't even with her her for a year. He told me straight up that she married him for his allotment check with his being in the Marines.
My grandfather remarried 4 years after my mom was born, and they had 4 children together. His Moon was a few minutes conjunct her South Lunar Node. They were married 40 years until his suicide in 1998.
The Moon-South Lunar Node conjunction was in Pisces in alignment with Markab known as the "Star of Sorrow"
My South Lunar Node Node conjunct his Imum Coeli in Leo with 41 minutes of arc. That seems to be a strong indicator of a pastlife family connection.
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GemGemGem
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posted March 29, 2009 02:13 PM
I;m starting to think that since the South node people are the ones you've had past life and karmic connections with, they repeatedly show up in our lives, every lifetime, to be a kind of "support" system for us while we are trying to reach our North Nodes. I honestly feel like South node people are like our "posse" that hang with us every lifetime, but as different roles and they help by being our support and foundation in life. Whereas North Node people are like our teachers in this lifetime, giving us specific lessons to learn, so it's a harder relationship, and once we've learned that lesson, they no longer need to be in our lives so one or the other moves on. I also believe NN people in this life could become SN people in our next life, since there is a history and past life connection with them now. So I would think we would outgrow someone who aspecst our North Nodes in this lifetime, not our South nodes... Just a theory... IP: Logged |
alvarella777
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posted March 29, 2009 04:06 PM
... theory sounds plausible, GEMGEMGEM.IP: Logged |
Fancy Face
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posted March 30, 2009 07:42 PM
My very best guy friend who I have known all our life has his NN conjunct my Moon at 0 degrees as well as his SN oppos. my Moon at 0 degrees. What does that signify? IP: Logged |
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posted March 30, 2009 09:33 PM
Fancy Face, I looked in a book of mine for you, but the book only does aspects of singular people, so you'll have to cope and Imagine.Moon Conjunct North Node This conjunction brings good fortune through the natives' ability to sense and to flow in harmony with the prevailing current of events. In other words, they are instinctively capable of taking advantage of current trends. Carried to far, this attribute leads them to jump on whatever bandwagon happens to be passing, without due consideration for the consequences.
Natives' enthusiasm brings them popularity. Good fortune in dealing with women or the public is also indicated. Thus, the aspect is beneficial to those in public relations, selling, entertainment, and politics.
If the chart as a whole brings out this tendency, natives will be generous and interested in religion.
This is a favourable karmic influence, created by generosity and helpfulness to others in the natives' past. So if that is for one person with both the positions in their own chart, perhaps you two together bring out these tendencies in each other? I'm not really sure. IP: Logged |
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