posted April 26, 2009 11:32 AM         

Um, on many. Do I take things at face value or listen to intuition that may be wrong?

I have intuition about something but I feel I need to look past it and stick around too, because there is a two way street in regards to some things, like helping this person. But I feel it may fall on deaf ears despite agreement..but maybe not...ughh!!

This is one of the most unique encounters I have had, for whatever reason. I hold back in the description for multiple reasons, including not being able to find the words for it. Plus almost all situations are to complicated for short forum synopsis.

Me: Nov. 6, 1984. Connecticut, 11:59 am
Other person Dec. 13, 1986. Chongqing China, ABOUT 2 am (she thinks). I can pm personal characteristics to see if it matches with a 2 am-er.

posted April 26, 2009 11:44 AM         

quote:

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Jealous people wish to put us down or see us topple, fearful people wish to keep us “where we are” and hold back our potential progress

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posted April 26, 2009 02:18 PM         

I admit I have flirted. But I think feelings MAY be strong on the other side in which case I need to scram. I just wanted to determine what was going on with the charts. When I looked at the synastry I did notice a lot of Conjunctions.

It is hard to explain without typing a lot. But there is this sense that I will be able to bring this person down a notch, as far as issues of the ego are concerned, but in a peaceful and good way. In which case I feel it could be a learning experience type of meeting, for both parties. But maybe my efforts could be fruitless. But I am amazed by the ego of this person.

posted April 26, 2009 06:23 PM         

It is easy to understand each other, as your minds work in similar styles. Making decisions together
is supported, and when communication difficulties do arise, they are readily resolved when there is
the intention to do so.

Carl's Sun conjunct Sag's Venus:

This is one of the sweet ties in relationship astrology, leading to natural affection and simply
enjoying being in each other's company. If it's not a romantic relationship, the arts and cultural
opportunities are a few of a multitude of ways to share and enjoy life with each other. The natural
magnetic flow of attraction that exists between the two of you makes it easier to overlook each
other's shortcomings.

Carl's Sun conjunct Sag's Pluto:

This is an extremely powerful aspect that has to be handled wisely. Sag's will has a subconscious
impact on Carl. The relationship can facilitate major transformation; rarely would it be casual.
There can seem to be something fated or karmic about this tie, unleashing a tremendous amount of
power and passion between the two of you. If this is healthy, bravo, this can be an extremely
profound relationship. If either person feels threatened in any way by the other, not much good can
come from the tie.

Sag's Sun conjunct Carl's Uranus:

There is something electric, exciting, and liberating about your relationship with each other. You
encourage each other to cast off cultural expectations and pursue your authentic natures. Although
exciting, Uranus is a wild card and the unsettledness and uncertainty that comes with Uranus is part
of the territory.

Sag's Sun conjunct Carl's Neptune:

There is something mystical and spiritual about your tie, although it can be equally mystifying as
mystical. It is best for couples involved with spiritual or artistic activities together, where the
imagination does some good. There can be a telepathic, psychic rapport if you allow it. You must
watch out for soap-bubble dreams and all types of illusions with imaginative Neptune activated in
the relationship.

Carl's Sun trine Sag's Mars:

You are able to work and play well together, because the way you do things doesn't get in each
other's way. You rarely have a conflict of wills and readily resolve issues when they arise. You
naturally empower each other's courage and your passions flow well together.

Carl's Sun trine Sag's Jupiter:

You encourage a positive outlook on life together and there is no end to the number of
growth-oriented activities that you could enjoy together. You both feel confident that it is safe to
trust each other. Shared experiences with travel, education, and philosophical pursuits are favored.

Sag's Sun trine Carl's Moon:

A natural flow exists in the relationship with your energies naturally supporting one another. Carl
feels safe to drop defenses and be at ease around Sag's natural energy, allowing Sag to feel
accepted and appreciated.

Carl's Sun opposition Sag's Moon:

Sag has a difficult time being emotionally at ease around Carl. This dynamic tension can manifest as
rational arguments over emotional issues. Carl doesn't feel nurtured and Sag doesn't feel
understood or at ease. The relationship functions best with some time apart in the daily schedule.

Carl's Moon conjunct Sag's North Node:

Carl's natural emotional responses to life are nurturing for the path of soul growth for Sag. This tie
is not particularly comfortable because it is a growth-oriented aspect, rather than one of familiarity.

Carl's Moon trine Sag's Uranus:

This is an aspect that encourages evolutionary growth on both your parts. Carl feels encouraged
and supported for breaking out of old emotional patterns, and Sag feels emotionally supported for
pursuing an authentic path of individuality.

Sag's Moon trine Carl's Jupiter:

Carl has a knack for uplifting Sag's mood. Sag, of course, enjoys this, so a positive, trusting
relationship develops. Sag emotionally supports the growth needs and the philosophical and
religious interests of Carl.

Carl's Moon sextile Sag's Chiron:

A natural empathy and sensitivity exists between the two of you over wounds that you experienced
in the past. You support each other's emotional healing from these wounds and nurture each other's
compassion for others.

Sag's Moon opposition Carl's Saturn:

This tie is usually considered unfavorable for emotional relationships, unless Carl is mindful of the
excessive sensitivity Sag has to any disapproval. Sag's needs are judged as weak by Carl and tend
to go unmet.

Sag's Moon opposition Carl's Pluto:

Sag can feel threatened, unsafe, and powerless to withstand Carl's will. A healthy relationship can
develop only if Carl can remain conscious of the potential misuse of this power of intimidation.
Otherwise, the potential for unhealthy psychological patterns to develop between the two of you is
strong.

Carl's Moon opposition Sag's Ascendant:

Misunderstandings often arise when Carl's emotional needs are expressed in a way that irritates
Sag. Your relationship benefits from spending a little time apart in the daily schedule to avoid
getting on each other's nerves.

Sag's Mercury opposition Carl's North Node:

Getting to know each other will be like picking up where you left off. You carry the past-life karma
of siblings or students on a path together, considered favorable in the range of past-life karma.
Although favorable to start a relationship, you will need to encourage each other to continue to
learn and grow to avoid the tendency to hold each other in the past.

Sag's Mercury opposition Carl's Chiron:

You likely have different opinions and views concerning health issues. It is not easy to accept each
other's help, because your views about what would be helpful differ. Try not to convince each
other of the right way toward health and healing, and instead, acknowledge and allow for the
differences to help avoid difficulties.

Carl's Venus conjunct Sag's Uranus:

This creates an electric magnetism between the two of you, but it is highly unstable. Sag liberates
Carl from conventional attitudes, and Carl is excited by Sag's uniqueness. The unpredictable nature
of Sag keeps a tone of uncertainty in the relationship.

Sag's Venus conjunct Carl's Pluto:

A compelling, nearly hypnotic attraction can exist between the two of you. With highly developed
souls, this can lead to deep, transformative passion. With lower types, the compelling energy can
lead to obsessions or manipulative love.

Carl's Venus trine Sag's North Node:

Your values and tastes are in harmony with one another, and you are naturally attracted to activities
that lead to mutual soul growth.

Sag's Venus sextile Carl's Jupiter:

The friendship between the two of you flows naturally and you encourage movement toward
refinement in each other's life. The arts, culture, philosophy, and socializing together are all favored.

Carl's Venus opposition Sag's Chiron:

Your values concerning health and healing can be at odds with each other. Carl's desires for
pleasurable activity can activate the wounds Sag is carrying from previous relationships.

Carl's Venus square Sag's Jupiter:

It is not always easy to find ways to socialize together. What one of you considers a
growth-oriented activity, the other might not value at all. When you do get together, there is the risk
of encouraging each other's excessive behavior.

Sag's Mars sextile Carl's Jupiter:

You bring out a confident and positive attitude in each other, allowing you to work and play well
together. You also travel well together and encourage each other to take part in the opportunities
life has to offer.

Sag's Mars square Carl's Uranus:

This is another aspect that requires skill to avoid the danger. Wild, unexpected conflicts can rise up
between the two of you like spring thunderstorms, so you have to be careful not to set each other
off. You can encourage reckless behavior in each other unless you learn to handle these surges of
intense energy that flare up between the two of you.

Carl's Mars square Sag's North Node:

Carl's choices of activities are often off track for the path of soul growth for Sag. You would be
advised to allow space in your relationship for your separate interests.

Sag's Mars square Carl's Chiron:

Carl feels threatened by Sag's insensitivity, and feels unsafe in revealing vulnerabilities. Sag feels
Carl to be too sensitive, as if Sag has to walk on eggshells not to arouse sensitivities. And that is
exactly the path that works best--treat the sensitivities of Carl with sensitivity.

Carl's Jupiter conjunct Sag's Neptune:

The best of this aspect can lead to providing each other with spiritual insights and bursts of pure
inspired creativity. The danger is looking at the world through rose-colored glasses, which is
always pleasant enough in the moment; but avoidance, denial, and escapism are also possible with
this combination.

Sag's Jupiter trine Carl's Saturn:

You work well together on career and professional matters, as well as all issues of handling
responsibility together. You are especially effective at planning together and follow a step-by-step
approach to getting to your shared goals.

Carl's Jupiter sextile Sag's Pluto:

You can support and take part in mutual interests in travel, education, philosophy, and mysticism.
You encourage each other to reach for goals that benefit society as well as yourselves.

Sag's Jupiter square Carl's Uranus:

Although this combination promotes a great deal of excitement, you too easily encourage each
other into rash and even reckless behavior. There is an unfounded feeling of luck that encourages
risk taking that can be disastrous. Arguments can flair up over political and religious issues that you
are not likely to see eye to eye on.

Carl's Jupiter square Sag's Ascendant:

Many disagreements can erupt because your basic beliefs about so many life issues are at odds
with each other. These arguments aren't so hot as to be threatening, with Jupiter involved, but Sag
can experience Carl 's beliefs about education, religion, and politics to be way off base.

Sag's Saturn conjunct Carl's Uranus:

The best of this aspect is when you help each other to be innovative in how you handle worldly
responsibilities. You can assist each other in adapting to changes in the world and evolving your
careers to stay in line with your needs for discovery. The low road manifests when Sag resists the
innovative ideas of Carl, believing them to be unrealistic and irresponsible, and Carl judges Sag as
being stuck in convention and unwilling to experiment in life.

Sag's Saturn opposition Carl's Chiron:

You tend to undermine each other's attempts to move beyond old wounds. You may make
judgments about each other's insecurities and fears, exacerbating the problem, rather than helping.
Be aware that advice you give is not likely to be well received; it is best to talk less and listen more
to each other's fears and insecurities.

Sag's Uranus conjunct Carl's Neptune:

There is a creative flow between Sag's intuition and Carl's ability to image. This sets up a favorable
flow of spiritual guidance that comes to the two of you spontaneously through coincidences and
sudden knowing.

Carl's Uranus trine Sag's North Node:

This aspect is favorable for keeping each other excited about a path of evolving and discovering
life. You come away from discussions feeling excited about the fresh insights you give each other.

Carl's Uranus sextile Sag's Ascendant:

You encourage and support each other's uniqueness and individuality by giving each other
permission to be just who you are without pretension. You support each other's path of awakening
and evolution by encouraging each other to stay in an attitude of discovery.

Carl's Uranus opposition Sag's Chiron:

Here, we have two rebels with two different causes. An example would be two people who both
rebelled against traditional health care and found their own, but different, alternative paths. Until
you can honor these differences, the tendency to look at each other's path as eccentric at best, and
as having little merit, will certainly be felt as challenging.

Sag's Neptune sextile Carl's Pluto:

Your interactions with each other invariably help you both rise above the petty, lower currents of
reality. If you attempt to meditate together, you will feel as if you are being lifted up on unseen
wings.

Sag's Ascendant trine Carl's Chiron:

You have a natural, unspoken empathy for the trials and tribulations you both have endured. In this
quiet acceptance, a healing occurs, and you help each other move beyond the wounds of the past.

posted April 26, 2009 10:09 PM         

Part of the confusion might just be, being in a different culture.

A lot of friendships since coming here have different (of course) and not a lot are easy due to different ways of going about life. The whole east/west thing.

Why am I confused? The language barrier is a big one. I figure astrology can help more in times of language barrier and figuring out what intentions are, to a better extent. My intuition may be based off things that were said and understood or misunderstood because of the natural barrier of language. But that is unfair.

posted April 26, 2009 10:32 PM         

I love my gf deeply. So if the potential is there in this chart, and I think it is thinking more and more, I need to get out because it is not the right time to meet this person. Maybe in another life. I read astro diesient and it seems that a simple friendship may be hard to maintain without it being more.

It was interesting that she said she felt she knew me upon seeing me for the first time.

Ughh, why is it hard to meet friends of the opposite sex sometimes.

I dunno, maybe feelings ARE there, but it is unfair to my gf and I do need to get the heck out if things go to far as you seem to be eluding to.

posted April 27, 2009 12:37 PM         

I can't imagine charts being all that different between five days. Maybe just enough. It just strikes me as odd. Maybe less than 120 hours, or even less than 100 between the charts..

posted April 29, 2009 01:19 AM         

Moon is very important placement in the chart. A different moon will indicate a different emotional nature.

posted May 01, 2009 10:40 PM         

Yah, I knew even 5 minutes can make a big difference. It still surprises me for some reason.

posted May 02, 2009 08:34 AM         

But maybe it will not matter, because..

I have deleted her contact info twice and she has found her way back into my life both times. The lastest time, I was away, to get away from the situation partially, but largely for fun and adventure/exploration. I think she is drawing out the sag in me. Today is the third time I have deleted all contact info to make sure I don't give into temptation, we shall see if she tries to get in touch AGAIN (and if I cave in AGAIN)..she did twice already. She doesn't know I have deleted contact info ever, it is just self discipline.

posted May 02, 2009 08:46 AM         

Yes, attraction is heavy. But in the initial post, I was thinking there was potential for emotional development (on her part more than anything).

posted May 02, 2009 08:59 AM         

edit: I do like sags, but the bluntness ticks me off. I prefer a shy sag, an introverted one who is able to express deep feelings and an interesting mind. So a certain type of sag.