posted May 11, 2009 03:27 PM            

I have my Jupiter here in Leo, and it feels "untapped" for some reason. Like I can't get to it somehow. It's lost in my 12th house. I've never "felt" Jupiter in my chart, if that makes any sense.

This year for my solar return I will be in London, which puts my solar return Ascendant EXACTLY conjunct my natal Jupiter in the natal 12th house. I feel like my Jupiter has been hidden and under the radar for so long, that when my SR Asc hits it on my birthday, (End of this May) all this 12th house/ Jupiter stuff will just come busting out like a volcano eruption. I can even feel it now, the tension, and the build up!

The last time I had my SR Asc in my natal 12th House was in 2006, but it wasn't conjunct Jupiter. This was the year, I was pregnant and required hospitalization for a c-section. (Confinement, restrictions, limitation) That year was very limiting to me physically because I was healing from the surgery, and at the same time getting adjusted to being a new mom, and all the hormonal changes afterwards. It was a very difficult time for me physically, emotionally, and mentally.

I hoping the SR Asc being conjunct my natal Jupiter this time, will bring about more of an expansive effect, more freeing, but I'm unsure about how it will play out, and a little worried as 12th house experiences in the past have been quite difficult.

posted May 11, 2009 04:05 PM            

Also, Jupiter is the traditional ruler of Pisces so it fits well in this house. A quick net search got the quote, "you have unseen protection through a guardian angel with Jupiter in your twelfth house".

posted May 11, 2009 04:22 PM            

I have current solar return Ascendant in natal 12th house since my Solar Return October 28, and well....I think it's more about spirituality for me. I have been going to an interfaith unity church,and I am going to be a member soon. I have been seeing a shaman for healing. I have been getting into Eckhart Tolle's teachings,and there is a class based on it at the church that I am going to. I have been getting more interested in the Law of Attraction, watching the movie,The Secret on DVD, and law of attraction is one of the unity/new thought concepts at the church I go to.

the bad stuff is my mom's partner died, and my mom's diabetes is very bad and I am afraid that she might die. My shaman healer told me the possibility that mom will die within a year.

loss tends to draw people more into a spiritual path too.

that's why 12th house is considered the house of loss but also liberation in Vedic Astrology.

Last week, I did have a dream of visiting Monastery and asking if I am meant to be a monk. I shaved my head the night before. I feel that the dream meant my desire to not be attached to things and people. My current lunar return has Moon,Jupiter and Neptune in 12th and Pisces Ascendant.

it's amazing how astrology works!

I am not worried about going to an insane assylum nor having to go to a hospital. I don't have any enemies either. I stay out of trouble.

My emphasis on spirituality. If I focus on that, I don't have to worry about the bad stuff.

Raymond

posted May 11, 2009 04:32 PM            

You could be mainly interested in the study of metaphysics and in developing your intuition.

During this year, you could experience strong limitations on your freedom, brought about by your past mistakes. The same could apply to problems with health that require rest or confinement and to other problems you encounter with secret enemies who are opposed to your progress. During this period you will have to deal with karmic debts that influence the progress of your spiritual evolution. These tests will be difficult to overcome, and it will be necessary on your part to remain positive and not allow yourself to feel defeated.

posted May 11, 2009 04:56 PM            

I know what you mean about loss bringing about spirituality. I don't know if this is a just a coincidence or not, but back in 2006, when my solar return Asc was also in my natal 12th house, I lost both of my aunts that year, within one month of eachother.

I was very close to one of them. I sat with her in the hospital while she was in a coma, praying she would come out of it. They pulled the plug a few days later. I didn't even get to say goodbye. I miss her so much.

posted May 15, 2009 04:29 PM            

I think the word attic suits the 12th house better than those dramatic words like karmic debts, hidden enemies... especially when I've known plenty of Mars-in-12ths which indicates violent hidden enemies, but they had no one to fear in their lives! No hidden enemies, no nothing.

posted May 15, 2009 04:52 PM            

I know what it's like for loss leading to spirituality.

My maternal grandfather's suicide changed my life. It was a spiritual catalyst for me. It got me to end 2 years of atheism. I went on a spiritual/soul search getting into spiritual,metaphysical things including Astrology. I started believing in Astrology on June 29, 1998.

the suicide happened on January 25, 1998

That was during my Solar Return period of October 28, 1997 to October 28, 1998

Solar Return 12th house ruler Pluto in 4'19 Sagittarius in 12th in the Solar Return chart,and it was in minor grand trine with Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 11th and Uranus in 4'49 Aquarius in 2nd.

Natal Imum Coeli was in the Solar Return 12th house and so loss of family member

Actually Natal Imum Coeli in 11'14 Sagittarius in Solar Return 12th conjunct Solar Return Ascendant in 13'28 Sagittarius

natal angle conjunct solar return angle is very significant year.

Chiron in 7'16 Scorpio conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 11th house, and Uranus in 4'49 Aquarius in 2nd square the conjunction. That indicate painful changes/surprises during that solar period. The Uranus also fit with me getting into Astrology.

Retrograde Saturn in Aries in 4th also could indicate problems with family. I was also stationed in Diego Garcia,and isolated duty station in the middle of the Indian Ocean when I was in the navy. I went there the beginning of July 1998. I ended up getting depressed there.

Solar Returns really work!...even with the houses.

because it was a spiritual time, I looked at Sedna

Sedna in 14'48 Taurus in 5th oppose Mercury in 14'46 Scorpio in 11th, and Jupiter in 12'47 Aquarius in 2nd square that opposition. A T-square. That fits with expansion involving spiritual thinking.

even Neptune in 27'17 Capricorn in 2nd oppose Vertex in 27'26 Cancer in 8th

Raymond

posted May 16, 2009 02:59 AM            

SR Venus and Mars are also conjunct my SR Ascendant but also technically in the SR and natal 12th house. The ruler of both my SR 12th house as well as my natal 12th house is Mars.

I think that for me it might have to do with releasing anger. What I have noticed about natal Mars in the 12th house, generally speaking, is that there tends to be repressed anger the person needs to work out, so I think this may be my year.

As for your Jupiter, I actually think of it as a very beneficial influence myself. I do believe that it could mean (for you) that you have potentially neglected or ignored a large part of your inner-self/higher-self/spiritual-self and that this year will bring that to the forefront of your experience in a most expansive way.

posted May 22, 2009 04:08 PM            

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...Most of us make a similar mistake with our 12th house, for it too is an esoteric spiritual text. And its cryptic sentences, coming as intuitions, irritations, and fears, may misdirect us into battle against some “Hu” in the outer world. Like the emperor, we may exert great effort walling out phantom enemies while missing the real situation. “Self-undoing” is the most relevant of the traditional keywords to survive in the modern 12th house, and it’s potent enough to make us just as sick, imprisoned or enslaved as all the others. When you approach the veiled gates of this house, come armed with a healthy suspicion of your own blind spots. Pay attention to what irritates or frightens you “out there,” because it’s quite likely this enemy lurks in the shadows of your own nature, described by your 12th house planets or signs...Our 12th house planets and signs are like children with special needs. They’ve suffered a critical deprivation. In some way our early environment didn’t encourage or support their expression. They may be usurped, denied or shamed by our caretakers. Somehow we got the message they're unsafe to express. With Mars or Aries in the 12th, I may fear the expression of my competitive drive or deny my selfishness. With Pluto or Scorpio, I may be too embarrassed to reveal my passion, my sexuality, my power. With Mercury or Gemini in the 12th, I may decide to keep my mouth shut. With Uranus or Aquarius in the 12th, I'll cover up what makes me different, and keep my creative genius under wraps. With Venus there, or Taurus or Libra, I won’t know how beautiful, how sensuous, how artistic or loving I can be.

Whatever the rejected planet or sign, the subconscious awareness of its loss leads to a kind of victim consciousness, a conviction, in fact, that it's morally right to feel sorry for ourselves. Weren't we robbed after all? A businessman I know with a 12th house Mars was keenly aware of his inability to be self-assertive: "My mom co-opted all the anger in our house. I didn’t dare cross her. But then I never got to be me." When he learned he had a reputation among his co-workers for being ruthless and cruel—his shadow Mars—he was actually thrilled. "Doesn't it bother you that you might really be hurting people?" I asked. There was a momentary confusion in his eyes before they glazed over. Lost in the memories of his past, and unable to fit them with a different picture of his present, he spaced out and forgot my question.

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posted May 22, 2009 05:09 PM              

what is in the 12th to me is hard to work consciously with but will be exposed at moments you least expect it...and of course when transits affect any planet aspecting those in your 12th.

posted May 22, 2009 05:19 PM            

You will have a desire to enjoy life and to expand your present sphere of influence. You will enjoy the things you do and will have a positive attitude toward your problems. You will feel an inner need to expand and grow, especially on the personal level. Your capacity to give and receive and to treat others with kindness and understanding will be tested.

On the more negative side, you will show less concern for the problems that come up, even the more serious ones. It will be difficult for you to concentrate on details or to do your work in an orderly fashion.

posted September 05, 2015 11:27 AM            

If you holders are still alive even after so long it doesn't mean it all ends here. Some problems and secret enemies you created will come after you even after you're dead.

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The 12th house is one of the most misunderstood houses, but I believe that this is because it has to do with our own divine self, which is so personal to each individual.[/B]

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posted September 05, 2015 11:31 AM            

Hidden talents and hidden enemies for example.

There may be hidden enemies, people that you can't truly trust. You have the intuition to spot these hidden enemies and therefore keep yourself out of harms way. But first you must figure out that you have this intuition at all. Sometimes it takes being betrayed over and over before you realize that not only do you pick up subtle things but that you are often correct. Then you can use that gift.

I think some of the confusion comes from trying to keep the traits in their own little boxes when actually they can very much work together, even the "good" and "bad" traits.

Or hating being alone because it seems abnormal but later realizing that you love it. It's like "waking sleep" where you can dream and rejuvenate. (That's me LOL ) Turned from a "bad" thing to an enjoyable "good" thing.

posted September 05, 2015 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by LeoMars:
No. Defensive, dishonest and fearful women with same wretched planets in the 12th house bark that the house is "misunderstood" and claim "divine" self, but let me tell you 12th exceeds even the 8th in wretchedness.

If you holders are still alive even after so long it doesn't mean it all ends here. Some problems and secret enemies you created will come after you even after you're dead.

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posted September 05, 2015 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
wtf?

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