posted May 26, 2009 10:23 AM         

I am convinced your attraction to "bad boys"
is indicated by your Sun-Venus square Orcus, Sun-Venus conjunct Pluto in Right Ascension,and Sun conjunct South Eris Node .......the attraction to nonconformist,divergent,controversial, intense,dark,brooding, underworld types

It's your Sun oppose Sedna that can indicate that you can be victimized by men, but it also make you very compassionate and spiritually aware too.......the men in your life can be too.

You are better off with men that are spiritually oriented, transformative, regenerating,healing types that understand the laws of nature,that go into the heart of a matter,into have a deep soul connection ........that fits with the positives of the kuiper belt/transneptunian energies.

The bad boys,abusers fit the negatives of the kuiper belt/transneptunian energies.

kuiper belt/transneptunian energies are hard to handle....especially when they are in hard aspects because they have to do with challenging intensifed evolutionary lessons

I also want to point out that Pluto and Orcus aspecting your Sun and Venus reinforce your Scorpio traits of your Sun and Venus.

those aspects can easily help you relate to Sun and Venus in Scorpio even though your Sun and Venus are in the constellation of Virgo. I am talking about the actual constellations. not the sidereal zodiac. They are not the same. The actual constellations have different meanings from what we use for the zodiac.

This is interpretation for the Virgo constellation

according to Bernadette Brady's Starlight program.

Lost in antiquity and mythologically connected to Leo, the ancient goddess in the sky was probably part of the original six zodiac constellations and is considered by some astronomers to be over 15,000 years old in human awareness, when the spring equinox occurred in this constellation. The earliest expression of Virgo was about 2,900 bce with the construction of the Sphinx, believed to be a celebration and adoration of the two zodiac signs through which the sun traveled at the time of summer and the harvest. The Sphinx had the head of the great harvest goddess and the body of a lion. However, Lockyer in the late 19th century, implied that the Sphinx may be far older then this date.

The Egyptians drew her on their Denderah zodiac, larger than she is now and with no wings but clearly a goddess. They saw her as the thousand-named goddess Isis, wife of the dead Osiris and mother of the god Horus. She was seen as holding a wheat sheaf in her hand which she dropped to form the Milky Way. She ruled the Summer solstice about 6,000 bce. The Golden Age was said to have ended when this goddess no longer governed the solstices, for the Egyptians saw this shift in the constellation of the summer solstices as a crisis: they believed the goddess had left the earth to return to heaven in distress at the behaviour of the humans of the Silver Age. The Milky Way, which was formed by the wheat dropping from the sheaf in her hand, is a piece of mythology reflecting the early belief that the Milky Way was the burned-out passage of the Sun, before humans discovered precession. For at that stage there was no reason to assume that the path of the precession of the equinox was defined by the ecliptic.

The early Arabs called her Al Adhra al Nathifah, the Innocent Maiden. She was also known as the Pure Virgin and the Chinese knew her as the Frigid Maiden, which seems to be an unkind literal translation from the Chinese. To the Greeks she was Demeter, goddess of the harvest, who withdrew herself and her seasons from the earth when Pluto abducted her daughter. They also saw her as Erigone, a maiden who became so distressed at the ways of the human race that she hanged herself. By the time of Christianity she had become Mary holding the Child.

Raymond

posted May 26, 2009 01:27 PM         

You have Chiron in your 4th house. Mercury has been transiting retrograde over your Chiron. This tells me that you're primed for attaining clarity about the pain you hold inside you. Now is a time when you both desire to & are able to analyze this pain and begin the healing process.

Chiron being in the 4th house fits with you witnessing your dad emotionally abuse your mom (which is simultaneously an abuse you suffered). We could say that through the experience with your ex, you're glaring into the part of you that is still hurting from that. That's my opinion. (As someone who believes in past lives, I also believe that the traumas/pain/issues we experience in childhood are a continuation of issues that have been plaguing our souls even before this life.) No matter how you view Chiron in the 4th -- as a wound originating in your childhood or even further back than that --- t. retrograde Mercury going over your natal retrograde Chiron indicates a HUGE moment for you. Your experience with your ex is an opportunity to study the hurt inside you that can manifest in abusive relationships. Hopefully, your analysis will help you purge yourself of this pain.

T.Nessus (associated with abuse) is square your natal Jupiter-MC. The square to the MC is interesting to me. The pain from abuse that you normally hold inside you (4th house Chiron) is now glaringly obvious in the outside world (MC). Intangible anguish has taken on physical form. Now, the abuse is unambiguous -- your ex physically harmed you. This contrasts with the abuse you suffered as a child: you witnessed your mom being emotionally abused. That's an abuse that's harder to identify. A punch is a clear act of violence. There's not such a clear, universal marker for when emotional abuse has been inflicted. Plus, since your dad's abuse was directed toward your mom, it was harder to identify it as a wound to you as well. Yet it was. So that Nessus square to your MC is helping you see yourself as abused.

Jupiter, being cnj your MC, is also receiving this square from Nessus. Jupiter rules your 11th and 12th: love received (11th house) and subconscious issues (12th).

A major configuration in the sky right now: Jupiter-Chiron-Neptune conjunction all at 26 Aqua. This is opposite your natal vertex to the degree! I don't know if there's a consensus on the vertex, but I'll tell you how I think of it. The vertex is where fate throws events into our lives; the anti-vertex is what we make of those events. That cnj on your anti-vertex tells me that YOU are using this experience with your ex as an opportunity to heal. I think you're going to be ok.

Jupiter-Neptune-Chiron are also square your n.Chiron to the degree. Hot d@mn, if there was ever a time for healing, now is it!

posted May 27, 2009 06:00 AM         

Hi ScorpioCentaur,
I did not intend to scare, just wanted to point out the negative factors in your chart. All of them can be overcome by increasing Self Awareness. Ask "Why am I doing/thinking/feeling whatever I am doing/thinking/feeling". An objective self analysis without judegmentalism or putting yourself down will dramatically help increase your self awareness. Next step will be working on self-esteem and self-worth.

Raymond has highlighted many valid astrological points.

Your abusive ex is just a kid with low self worth issues. He will have a lot of bad karmic debts to account to Saturn in his Saturn return as he is born on the 8th day of the 8th month at 8 a.m.
You deserve better.
Instead of the brooding Al Pacino types,
why not aim for an icy cool intellectual or an aristocratic occultist? Expand your mental bandwidth to hitch the real winners.
These so called "bad boys" are seriously just losers without aims, goals or discipline. They dont even have real physical strength actually, they are just tough enough to bash a normal woman. Even real Alpha Male strongmen are exceptionally smart winners. Reese Hoffa is the strongest man in America, he solves the Rubiks Cube in less than 5 minutes. And he does not do substance abuse like the "bad boys".
Russian weightlifters are twice as strong as WWE steroid addicts. Their pasttime is chess.

So... go for the brains and escape from abuse. True love with plenty of boredom is far better than hot sex followed up with broken bones.

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posted May 27, 2009 11:25 AM         

Anyhoo,

Transiting Saturn in Virgo is currently opposing your natal moon in Pisces. For a few weeks, it will make you reflect and reconsider your stated desire for drama and a good fight every now and then. Hopefully you'll learn from that.

But it's not quite over. At some point later this year, it will also square your Neptune in Sagg, stripping you further of unneeded illusions.

posted May 27, 2009 08:04 PM         

SC, the fact that abuse and subjugation of the abused is done in a systematic conscious way does not indicate a lack of mental illness!! this is a classic scenario. running a person's self-confidence into the ground, showing how powerful and destructive he can be, and being cold-blooded and calculating about it doesn't shout sick to you????

your chart will help you deal with your issues. and i believe it IS your issues. saturn is opposing your pisces moon right now, and you can learn a lot about how you got into this in the first place.

though i argued on the pisces moon thread about the stereotype of how we attract abusive people and waifs, both are true. it is how you deal with it that matters. i don't so much attract them anymore because i have walked through and past that aspect of the moon. but you can attract these people and not be made to suffer by them at the same time! first you have to recognize them, but you also need to work on yourself.

you're also in your first chiron square. so this is YOUR wound that's up for healing! as eve pointed out its a super chiron square with neptune and jupiter right in there with transitting chiron!

you also have pluto heading back towards your mars which it passed recently. and karma opposite venus! looks like this moment was planned before you got here, girl!

take that research instinct and work on it. you've got what it takes!

posted May 27, 2009 08:45 PM         

Sorry to hear about your daughter..tho thank god for her avoiding anything really serious with that horrible man.

No, I'm not thinking about getting back with him..but, I would like to understand what has made him this way. I think the process of looking into myself and finding out who I am also involves understanding the people who I have chosen in my life (him and others)whether they be negative or positive influences.

posted May 27, 2009 09:03 PM         

study him all you want but make your own stuff your priority, is all. it is far too easy for pisces moon to get drawn in by others' misfortunes...

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posted May 28, 2009 03:33 PM         

Make him get his stuff with a police escort. My aunt left her abusive husband and he got her to go to the house to get her stuff and he murdered her.