posted June 05, 2009 09:37 AM         

So, a lot to deal with this hidden house (progr. sun also)...

Till I was 31, I completely lived in my mind, didn't almost realise that I had a physical body, like I didn't want to see it, like it was a prison...so, lot of difficulties in functioning in the material world.
When I became physically very ill at that age I underwent this metamorphosis, but again lost every balance; now I was YUST my physical body, there was YUST this material world! Even lot of my astrology-books I burned at that time..

So, this balance between the physical and material world is/was for me a clear but difficult learning.

posted June 06, 2009 05:56 AM         

There was always something fishy about Pisces being 12th House.
6th House with Piscean Interpretation will explain why you get very vivid dreams, Out of Body like expereinces, intuition of knowing the future, some deja vu and a sense of hidden occult psychic power....

Some strong 6th House people will argue against this but dig a little deeper and they will have
a) 6th House Virgo
b) Virgo Ascendant or Moon

So there.

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posted June 06, 2009 09:13 AM         

the main thing that is an emphasis on service,daily routine,and health

but

Pluto exactly conjunct your Sun deeply modifies the Sun

always remember that aspects work as modifiers

Pluto is otherworldly with it orbiting beyond Saturn,Uranus,and Neptune.

As a kuiper belt object, it's a nonconformist compared to the other planets

therefore, a person with Sun conjunct Pluto
can be a nonconformist in daily routine,work,and health

Sun conjunct Pluto is a very powerful, but it's main emphasis on transformation,regeneration

it's a highly metaphysical energy, and so it has to do with "the other side"

As a transneptunian/kuiper belt energy, it's very complexed and hard to handle, and so it's not easy placement when you have it conjunct the Sun. It could indicate that at some time of your life, you might end up eliminating egoic patterns. If you don't,you go through a time where you will be forced to let go of things the hard way and it can lead to trust,abandonment issues,jealousy,resentment,and/or possessiveness if you can't handle the energy well. That's how Pluto works. It's meant to work on a highly spiritual level,and it deeply challenges the soul. It's an intensified evolutionary object.

So with Sun conjunct Pluto in 6th, you can have intensified evolutionary lessons that involve ego,self expression,vitality in the areas of work,service,and daily routine.

Pluto is a planet asssociated with the hidden way,and so it could give a 12th house like effect when it's in the 6th house in regards to hidden,secret,occult,psychic stuff.

I have Moon in Pisces conjunct Mars in Aquarius in 6th house square Neptune, and so my 6th house is influenced by Neptune. Neptune aspects to the 6th house modify it. It's like having Neptune in 6th house. Routine,order,paying attention to detail aren't my strong points. I tend to be very disorganized,nonroutine,confused, and just plain nonlinear which fits with my neurodivergence of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. It also indicate my needing to work in a metaphysical,healing,compassionate type of work where my sensitivity,imagination, and idealism are assets and not liabilities. Those were liabilities when I was in the Navy.
as you see, 6th house is highly modified and doesn't work like Virgo. It can

aspects always have to be taken into consideration when trying to understand how the house works.

Raymond

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posted June 06, 2009 10:15 AM         

KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY
By Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler

Sun-Pluto: Power

Archetype: The Mighty King and the Sorcerer
Shadow: The Despot and the Gray Eminence

Comparison:
Ego - Shadow
Foreground - Background
Light - Dark
Creation - Rearrangement
Aura - Magnetism

General: Experience and conciousness of power and helplessness. The encounter of the self wtih its shadow. the transformation of perosnality.

harmony: the shaman. enormous powers of the soul- frequently unconscious to a degree---that can be used for both the benefit and the destruction of others; powers of suggestion,healing powers,hypnotic abilities,and the subtle but highly effective power of magnetically attracting, fascinating,and captivating other people, as well as causing situations and events to occur on the basis of enormous powers of desire. strong interest in depth psychology,magical and occult knowledge and practices, archaic and shamanic rites, and all the taboos of society, particularly death and sexuality.

discord: the possessed soul. dark,dubious character that is not strong enough to resist temptations of power. tries to bind others to oneself, make them dependent and enslaved in order to control and exploit them in an emotional,physical,and/or material way. possessed by a thirst for power. but often also the helpless victim of own striving for power or the power of others. extreme all-or-nothing maxims. obsessed by fixed and compulsive ideas, above all regarding interpersonal relationships and sexuality. self-glorification,strong powers of destruction,and tendency toward depression.

Sun in 6th - Integration

The Central theme of development of the self is the smooth interplay of all components in an organism or community (human being,company,or nation) of united organs as the necessary precondition for the health of the whole.

Strength: the structurer. is aware of the necessity of hierarchies and makes sure that every wheel in the mechanism functions. as a result, looks aft the health of the respective system and likes to integrate oneself well. brings order to the chaos. creates clear, transparently smooth structures. promotes achievement and develops systems for preventing damage. practical, skillful,tenacious, concentrated,independent. work in the field of public health.

problem area: the prestige-hungry person. always concerned with own prestige. puts too much pressure on self (and subordinates) to produce results. fear of failure and inferiority complexes. therefore conformist and horribly normal. hypochondriac self-observation because of exaggerated fear of illness.

working style: very personal,completely involved,leadership quality.

Pluto in 6th - Wealth of Influence

strength: the effective individual. develops great powers of persuasion and influence at the place of work. doesn't give in and knows how to get to the bottom of things. is totally committed to a chosen task (the obsessive scientist). Experiences health problems as basis of deepest transformation. Healing abilities.

Problem area: the workaholic. power politics and chicanery at the place of work. playing on dependencies and fear of one's own dependency. gets stuck in a task like a fixed idea and then works oneself to death on it. tries to drag in others and patronize them in the process.

working style: profound,passionate,intense,obsessive,maniacal.

posted June 06, 2009 06:13 PM         

would it be ok to look at your chart?

posted June 06, 2009 06:51 PM         

well done, Glaucus.

do u have your SNode in Gemini,
or the 3rd house??

posted June 08, 2009 05:08 AM         

What is the probability of my explaining the psychic potential of more than a dozen 6th house suns even though they refused to admit it until I wrote to them about it ?

Anyway, ScrappyDog has mentioned the best Neptunian Traits and I hope my mathmetical interp helps you analyze yourself and capabilities even more.

Neptune = Psychic Messages/Out of Body Awareness.
Pluto = Transformation. It can be spiritual, sexual or even business empire consolidation.

The two proceed one after the other. Let us not cofuse the appropraite traits of each planet.

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posted June 08, 2009 05:22 AM         

The 12th is opposite the 6th, which means you could easily apply opposite meanings.

Waste, sleep, jail, drugs/alcohol, hospitals are just some of the words given to that area.

posted June 08, 2009 06:01 AM         

Virgo OCD? SIGH. Come on, that's so cliche.

To me, the 6th and 12th house have one thing in common for sure: a sense of self-sacrifice, and compassion.

A self-contained selfless person. That's Virgo, to an extent. That's the 6th house too. The house is misunderstood because the idea of service is misunderstood, I feel. I'm not about to polish your boots with my tongue, but I'll make sure you know how to tie your own shoelaces on your own. It's healing on the most basic level: Do your own work; I will show you how.

12th house to me is where we put what we want to forget. A planet falling into there will haunt you, because in some way you don't want to look at it or its essence. But you are haunted by that essence.
If I put my Moon in there, I don't want to look at my emotions and feelings.
If I put my Saturn in there, I HATE boundaries, and yet for some reason feel imprisoned.
If I have my Mars in there, I don't like my anger but I might come off seeming passive-aggressive.
Jupiter, I don't know how to integrate my own sense of opportunity, my optimism is hidden and cautious. Maybe I am also having problems integrating the religion my parents raised me with. Maybe I don't like people seeing the more generous, care-free part of me, or I don't see it in my own life.

And so on....

Just a theory.

They say the 12th house is the house of self-undoing... it's so freakin' twisted. The 12th house and 6th are not that different. The 6th is simply more coherent of it's role and experiences. It's awake, alert (maybe too alert. It's hyper-sensitive). Its job is to wake up the 12th house, and make sure it doesn't get lost in its own nebulous haze, its autopilot type of healing. 12th house will heal by instinct, 6th with full intent. But their intentions are pretty similar.
Your 12th is how and what area you're asleep, and your 6th is how you wake up that part of yourself, and listen to what it has to say.

Anyway, just my 2 piastres.

posted June 08, 2009 08:17 AM         

great post.

Especially the part about the similiarities between 6th and 12th hosue.
Personally I believe you can´t really see the opposite houses in a separated way. They revolve around the same theme, just on polar ends of the spectre, and approaching and expressing that theme in different ways.

But I agree that the 6th house is very misunderstood.
The 2nd quadrant is said to be the quadrant of emotions (individual emotions),a nd the 6th house is within the 2nd quadrant, so we can`t ignore its relation to emotions; it is also a mobile house, so your emotions will get in contact with the environment (other people) or the environment will influence your emotions, and with the mobile quality it is about expressing and sensing emotions (yes, spirituality, too) in regard to your surrounding.
you will become aware of how the surrounding reacts to your emotional expression and maybe modify your own expression 8that is what we have to do at work; ADAPT).

posted June 08, 2009 09:15 AM         

I like this book KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY
by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler

12th House: I Dream

GENERAL: Seclusion from the World. Transcendental experiences, mysticism, trance, ecstasy, purification, sacrifice, tranfiguration, withdrawal from the world. Secrets and clandestine enemies. Voluntary isolation (hermitage,monastery) or involuntary isolation (hospital,prison). Longing for the "roof of the world." Configurations in this house are shown to outerworld with shyness--if they are shown at all. They can also be experienced as nonexistent for a long time, yet still develop in silence. Or they can be discovered and developed in seclusion.

POLARITY: All things incomprehensible and boundless and dissolution in contrast to the order,clarity,and limitation in the 6th house.

I have no planets in 12th house, but I do have Kuiper belt dwarf planets, MakeMake and Haumea in 12th house. They are named after male and female fertility/creation deities because they orbit well beyond Pluto. Those could be just as significant as having fellow kuiper belt dwarf planet,Pluto or Eris in 12th. Dwarf planet,Ceres is in 11th and close to the 12th house cusp too.

My Moon is trine the 12th house ruler (Sun)

I think Virgo is very sensitive on a physical level, but not on a metaphysical level.

If a person with a strong Virgo is very sensitive on a metaphysical level, there is probably something else going on. Take for instance, Michael Jackson who has Sun in Virgo. He has Full Moon in Pisces.

I'd also take in consideration the high sensitivity of the kuiper belt objects. I think that their sensitivities are overlooked, and those objects orbit beyond Neptune. I do think Pluto's sensitivity is misunderstood and is just seen as intense.

A Virgo person with strong 12th house influence could be more metaphysically oriented too. Heck...A Virgo with strong outer planet and/or kuiper belt influence can too for that matter.

6th house: I Integrate Myself

GENERAL: Health and Work. Physical health, the relationship between body and mind, consciousness of health, disposition to illness, traditional and alternative medicine. Everyday working life, place of work, work contents, way of working, working methods, and result of work. Class-consciousness. Social integration and adaptation.

POLARITY: The integration of the self in contrast to the self-sacrifice in the 12th house.

I have Moon in Pisces in 6th conjunct Mars in Aquarius in 6th

My mother has Sun in 12th house trine Neptune,sextile Pluto. The 12th house placement really does manifest like the traditional says. My father was in prison for selling drugs before she met him. My mother was in jail a few times too. She has health problems,and she's been in hospitals. She spent time in psychiatric hospitals and drug/alcohol rehabilitation facilities too.
She is an extremely sensitive being and neurodivergent,and so was her father and my father. Her father was an alcoholic,and my father was a drug addict. Her Sun in Gemini in 12th has with my Neptune in 3rd house but also my Sun ruling 12th house too. My mother has a lot of the Pisces/Neptune traits for better or worse. She has too much water in her chart too which can also be Pisces like.

Her unknown biological mother also has Sun in 12th house, and it's conjunct Mars in 12th. She also has Uranus in 12th too.

posted June 08, 2009 09:28 AM         

Moon in the 12th House: Longing for Redemption

STRENGTH: The Sensitive Spirit. Great sensitivity for everything that "lies in the air." Frequently occurring tendency to withdraw into seclusion and stillness in order to meditate, collect mystic and transcendental experiences,and come into harmony with oneself. Feels strongly drawn to everything that is vast,eternal,and irrational. Great yearning to be redeemed.

PROBLEM AREA: The Emotionally Numb. Is not conscious of emotions and only senses numbness when one asks oneself what one feels. Perhaps even has impression of having no feelings at all or consciously keeps them hidden (even from oneself) so one is not hurt. Extremely unwilling to suffer. Remains a mystery to oneself for a long time. Cannot mature emotionally and remains very naive and infantile on this level. Danger of uncontrolled intoxication because of vast but conscious desires for deliverance

FINDS IN SECLUSION: One's dreams and feelings.

posted June 08, 2009 09:36 AM         

THE CENTRAL THEME OF DEVELOPMENT OF THE SELF is the retreat into seclusion (on the roof of the world) in order to collect mystical and transcendental experiences, come into contact with other worlds, and encounter the images of one's own unconscious mind.

STRENGTH: The Liberated Soul. Has become independent and free by overcoming one's own suffering. Strongly spirtualized, fine personality. Willing to help others, and has a deep love of humanity. Withdrawn,creative, empathetic,intuitive,wise,illuminated. Knows how to work with subtle materials and energies (Bach flower essences, homeopathy).

PROBLEM AREA: The Prisoner. Feels excluded. Defiant,but ineffective,rebellion against the feeling of being a prisoner. Loud preacher of freedom. Chameleon. Full of complexes,timid,emotionally ill,inwardly very lonely,self-destructive,and, in extreme cases, confused and asocial. The eternal victim. Flight out of and from reality. Problems with addiction.

FINDS IN SECLUSION: What is essential.

posted June 08, 2009 09:43 AM         

OBJECTIVE: Growing trust in being upheld by higher forces.

INHIBITION: The Helpless or Unstable Individual. Lack of stability and firmness. Uncanny fear that something unknown and incomprehensible could dominate or destroy life. Dread of loneliness, chaos,loss of the self, and above all, fear of the irrational. Fear of losing control over oneself and of ending up in isolation or imprisonment. Inexplicable feelings of guilt.

COMPULSION: The Grim One. Tries to pull oneself together with total stubbornness and toughness and prove that one can master life. Takes a spiritual path as the "best pupil" with steely single-mindedness and an ambitiously lowered gaze.

RESOLUTION: The Steadfast Person. Overcomes the fear of fear and gradually opens up to what is vast,unknown,and the chaotic depths of one's own unconscious mind. In silent exercise, finds inner strength and trust in the forces that uphold human beings. Humble and capable of honest service,selflessness,and devotion. Experiences aloneness as "all-one-ness."

FINDS IN SECLUSION: Structure and resolve.

posted June 08, 2009 10:10 AM         

STRENGTH: The Lucid One. Surprising inspirations and clear vision of future developments. Particularly receptive to new religious,political,and spiritual currents. Must exercise the art of comprehending the meaning of images that suddenly emerge from the unconscious mind.

PROBLEM AREA: The (Secret) Escape. Rebels against any form of limitation on freedom. Wants to force open all walls,freeing onself (and others) from isolation and imprisonment, as well as being free of all secrets and "having" to do something in secret. The opposite is also possible: someone who only permits clandestine liberties.

FINDS IN SECLUSION: True freedom.

Neptune in the 12th House: Nirvana

STRENGTH: The Transparent or Transcendent Individual. Responsive to voices and images from the unconscious so that one is constantly led by strong invisible powers to everything important in this life. Inexplicable certainty of being "found" by nirvana. Artistic talent.

PROBLEM AREA: The Confused Person. Can be overwhelmed by the forces of the unconscious because of repression or simple ignorance of mediumistic abilities. Lives beyond all limits and structures. "Knows" that only the illusion is not an illusion.

FINDS IN SECLUSION: Visions

Pluto in the 12th House: Unconscious Powers

STRENGTH: The Transformed. Transformed in a far-reaching manner through intensive experience of powers of the unconscious. Opens oneself to the forces of deepest renewal in meditative stillness and seclusion.

PROBLEM AREA: The Distressed. A victim of power fantasies and fears of helplessness. Inexplicable fears of the powers of the unconscious and the primitive forces in one's own depths. Experiencing oneself as helpless in the face of illness and emotional suffering and becoming isolated.

FINDS IN SECLUSION: Inner healer.

I believe that Eris in 12th could be similar to Uranus in 12th.
I believe that it's possible that Sedna in 12th could be similar to Neptune in 12th.
I believe that Kuiper belt objects in 12th could be similar to fellow kuiper belt object,Pluto in 12th....especially the plutinos, Orcus and Ixion.

I believe that for the kuiper belt objects in houses to be significant, they should have aspects with personal planets,angles.
I only use 3 degree orb for the large kuiper belt objects(especially the dwarf planets) and 1 degree orb for the small kuiper belt objects.

In my case with the 12th house placements

dwarf planet,Haumea in Virgo in 12th
conjunct Ascendant in Virgo - 2'11
square Midheaven in Gemini - '03

dwarf planet,Makemake in Leo in 12th
square chart ruler Mercury in Leo in 3rd - 2'01

posted June 08, 2009 03:49 PM         

I noticed that you have 2 large kuiper belt objects in the 12th house. You have Sedna in Taurus in 12th house. You have the dwarf planet Eris in Aries in 12th house. Eris is larger than fellow dwarf planet Pluto, and so it would make sense for Eris in house placement to be just as significant as Pluto in house placement.

You also have prominent kuiper belt energy

I use considerably smaller orbs
conjunctions,oppositions,square,trines get 3 degrees
sextiles get 2 degrees

I only looked at the large kuiper objects
ptolemaic aspects only

Quaoar in 12'45 Scorpio
Ixion in 13'37 Scorpio
Ascendant in 13'42 Taurus

both Ixion and Quaoar are large kuiper belt objects.

Ixion is a plutino,and so it has a similar orbit as Pluto. They both have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. For every 3 times Neptune orbits, Pluto and the plutinos orbit twice. Ixion and Pluto's orbits are about 1 year apart. It's named after an underworld character because of that. In mythology,Ixion was the father of the centaurs.

Quaoar is a cubewano which means classical kuiper belt object. It orbits well beyond Pluto and has no connection with Neptune like Pluto and the plutinos do. named after Native American Tongva creation deity.

with the kuiper belt objects being transneptunians, they are highly metaphysical. After all, they orbit beyond Neptune.

Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems

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as for Neptune,

You have Sun sextile Neptune with 2'22 orb,and that is similar with having Sun in Pisces. Self expression,ego work well with inspiration,imagination,psychism. the opportunity is the keyword for sextile.

I checked direct midpoints because they show major themes. that means..only conjunction,opposition

the following interpretations are from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook

Moon conjunct Neptune/Midheaven - '32
MC.MO.NE.
+ tender. sensitive. empathic. highly imaginative. daydreams. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. intuitive. hesitates. needful of protection. sensitive to the weather. responds well to homeopathy. capable at acting.
To prepare oneself for the future. Actor. Clairvoyant. Metaphysician.
- impressionable. deluded. indecisive. unrealistic. unclear; ambiguous. deceptive. confused. lacking in self-restraint. self-disparaging. allergy-prone. prone to sleep-walk. feeble. easily swayed.
My weak wife. Disillusionment due to the wife. To be reticent or secretive. To give up illusions. Deceit. Unconsciousness. Uncertain times. Ambiguity among the public. Losses.

Neptune conjunct Moon/Mars - '39
MO.MA.NE.
+ instinctive. private; drawn to obscurities. elusive. interested in metaphysical factors. nonchalant. future-oriented. Aquatic athlete.
Activities of a private woman. Work or activity in private. To deal with liquids. Work in the air. Future work among the public. To work with gaseous or liquid substances. The future of a working nation.
- secretive. evasive. careless. unrealistic. passive. gives up easily. indifferent. contrary. feels inferior. hypersensitive. moody. short-tempered.
Actions of a secretive woman. Covert action. Person lacking in energy. To feign emotions. To participate in deception. To reject work. Mistake. Loss of work. Inaccuracy in working hours. Danger of infection. Atrophy of the brain. Public mistake. To contribute to the uncertainty of a nation.

I also checked your Right Ascension coordinate. Right Ascension is equatorial latitude which is what astronomers use to locate objects. They also use declinations

the things that I notice in Right Ascension are:

Eris in 20'56 Aries
Sun in 21'06 Libra

Sedna in 7'46 Taurus
Moon in 10'07 Capricorn

Orcus in 1'52 Leo
Midheaven in 1'50 Aquarius

Ixion in 13'51 Scorpio
Mercury in 13'45 Scorpio

Kuiper belt dwarf planet Eris,Orcus,and Quoar and Sedna are transneptunians,and so they are highly metaphysical. Sedna seems to be more of a higher octave Neptune with it being named after Inuit Sea Goddess, and being far beyond Neptune. when it is at aphelion, it is more distant than any object from the Sun. It's orbit is over 10,000 years. The slowest moving object in our solar system. So the most generational too. Orcus is a plutino,and so it orbits like Pluto. It is named after an underworld deity. Their orbits are only a year apart.

Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

Orbital Period: 556.65 yr., has lunar companion, 4th brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 3000 km diameter? (Pluto is estimated at 2320 Km).

Some preliminary keywords for Eris follow:

Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war, women wearing men’s uniforms (sports players, women in the military, astronauts)

Ceremonial: capitulation ceremonies, vows to create order from chaos, intent to right wrongdoing, abundance ceremonies

Orcus - A lord of the underworld. Orbital Period: 248.01 yr.

Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed

Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Mundane: contracts, oaths to organizations, religions or countries, creeds

Ceremonial: declaring faith, writing creeds, channeling the latest cosmic downloads and formatting it into doctrine

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