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Topic: What aspects show having a strong influence on someone?
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pire Knowflake Posts: 168 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 09:40 PM
Im lost between all those 23s. I agree with comica, if i got u right. Somtimes, synastry is good but feeling is not there for psychological reasons, or because the planet/point aspected is a source of problems. Im not sure what makes someone charismatic in the chart. I wonder. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 444 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 09:59 PM
comica, exactly I already mentioned in another thread I wouldn't want anybody's planet conjunct my Moon because it squares my retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th squares my Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd so it aggravates my t-square if its a close conjunction to my Moon, it opposes my Saturn/Neptune midpoint
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 224 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 10:12 PM
I just don't think it ALL boils down to astology only--I'm back to my "map, not the territory" thing. There are zillions of people in the world, most of whom we will never meet, and each of our charts have 12 houses. Mathematically, we have synastry with everyone in the whole world, and if you just look at the charts, it looks equal. For example, everyone's Sun and Eros and Venus--in the whole entire world!!--is going to fall into my houses. But if the drunk on the corner who harasses me's Sun falls in my 7th house, three people (or more) on Lindaland's Suns fall in my 7th house, and my lover's Sun falls in my 7th house, I'm going to care about the dynamic with my lover. I mean, if I have great synastry with a girl who served me drinks once in a British pub I never visited again, it just isn't that important in my life. NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE SYNASTRY. Just mathematically, we will all have intense and meaningful synastry with many human beings we will not end up caring about in this world. It might be different if we were locked in a prison cell with that person, but in free daily life we don't choose to get emotionally intimate with everyone. I don't think house overlays, or any other astrological factor, fully accounts for unrequited relationships. Every person has an equal chart...we all have the same planets, 12 houses, etc...but situations in the world, such as class and other social heirarchies, geography, beauty ideals, logistics, mean that every connection will not be equally important to us. Also, we look at synastry or composites between TWO people (not three or four or eight or five million, at least not all at the same time.) If you look at Person A's natal and his synastry with Person B, it will tell you what he is likely to look for in a relationship and what his relationship to B would be like if he chose to get to know her. But even if they have "SoulMate" synastry, maybe he also has amazingly strong synastry with persons C-Z, and maybe he chooses to put all his energy into one of those relationships while B sits around and pines for him....EVEN THOUGH if they were trapped together in a jail cell, he would explore the relationship with B. OR maybe her cystic acne is such a turnoff to him as a Sun Sign Libra/Leo Venus that even though their synastry would look amazing to any astrologer, he's just not interested. Some people would argue that the charts would show his sense of her beauty or ugliness...but charts will only show tendencies, not always details like that. The map, not the territory. OR, maybe he is much much higher status than she is...this would be indicated in their natal, but not shown conclusively or for sure. This does not mean that astrology isn't accurate or useful, just that it can't be used in SUCH a simplistic and deterministic way. There is simply not a clear and exact correlation between who is actually in our lives, and who we have strong-looking synastry with. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 444 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 10:27 PM
I agree, Lucia.great wisdom! Raymond
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 224 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 10:43 PM
Thanks, Raymond!IP: Logged |
Kismet* Knowflake Posts: 300 From: Venus Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2009 12:49 AM
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Lonake Knowflake Posts: 130 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2009 01:41 AM
in synastry? look for someone's 1st being filled with another's planets, esp if there are conj to the asc, also someone's sun receiving many aspects in synastry while the other has relatively few that are with a large orb. in these cases the person being influenced would be the one with the 1st house and the one who's chart is impacted by the other's sun. regarding aspects to the sun look to see if the rest of the synastry is "compatible" or at least neutral, if not the other will be noticed and not in a good way.natal seems pretty much the same thing: packed 1st, conj to asc esp the sun, 2 or more conjunctions to the sun or 1 and the sun being angular besides the asc. this trait seems to be characteristic also of heavily cardinal influenced people, starting things with great verve that in turn can motivate others who are on the sidelines. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 174 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2009 02:02 PM
Yeah I agree with Lucia23. X3 We can have two heterosexual people of the same sex with great synastry (Mars/Venus/Pluto/you name it aspects), that they are not jumping on each other coz they are simply interested in the opposite sex. Although it can manifest in a nice compatibility as friends.Also, we might have friends around with whom we have great synastry and in fact nice real life compatibility/attraction, that we might still end up being with someone else with whom we have a less pretty synastry. It could be that there are other less evident astrological signs (like transits, progressions and etc.), I'm not sure, yet it's just we can't really determine if two people would necessarily be together or share a healthy relationship just coz they have great synastry. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 444 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 19, 2009 02:07 PM
two people can have really good synastry, but they can't be together because the parent of one disapproves based on biases stemming from his/her own pain, and to make it complicated...there is highly symbiotic relationship between that one and his/her parent. Raymond
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