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Topic: Cold hearted Saturn
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lionseye***
Knowflake Posts: 52
From: edmonton, ab. ca
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 01:58 AM
 
Don't forget, men can seem inherently "Saturnian" and women came seem inherently "Moon" like, so this dynamic is typical between men and women. It's probably exagerated when there are (man) Saturn and (woman) Moon aspects between them.IP: Logged |
lionseye***
Knowflake Posts: 52
From: edmonton, ab. ca
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 02:33 AM
For any beginners in Astrology, in your natal chart, the placement of sun & Saturn describes your own experience with a primary male figure, and your moon describes that of your primary woman figure in your life, also known as your mom. Mars can often desscribe a secondary male figure in your life, and Venus can describe a secondary female figure. Some say Venus describes your opposite sex parent too. Mercury describes siblings in general.
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Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 216
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 03:47 AM
A Saturn-Sun conjunction is no fun either for the Sun person.IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 528
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 03:53 AM
Rubbish, according to my theories. A conjunction is the best aspect. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 216
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 12:14 PM
"Best" how? I guess it all depends on your natal and what you think is a great relationship.In my case, the time I was the Sun person, I really didn't enjoy feeling that the Saturn person was judging me...I've also been the Saturn person, and it felt like the Sun person's way of expressing himself was irresponsible, etc. Saturn can get parental with this conjunction, and the Sun can feel like Saturn is trying to "discipline" him or her. The conjunction contributes to longevity and seriousness in a relationship, but partly because it can lead the couple to especially play out parent and authority issues and work with ideas of responsibility and discipline. No fun for the Sun person, and a headache for the Saturn person. Whereas with Saturn TRINE Sun, which I think is the "best" aspect, in my experience both ways the Saturn person is encouraging and supportive of the Sun's self-expression, and the Sun naturally feels supported by the Saturn's energy. Saturn feels sympathetic to the Sun's natural personality. IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
Knowflake Posts: 50
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 12:15 PM
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The moon person feels like whenever they reveal their emotions, they're slammed, regardless of how vulnerable they clearly are. This is not appreciated, and can quickly lead to an emotional wall being erected. Then, emotional vulnerabilities will only be shared in sarcasm and probably with other people, not the Saturn person. The Saturn person, is generally uneffected by this, unless they are keenly interested in self betterment, and how they could be kinder people. See, it's really not that personal to them when they slam a person who tweeks their pet peeves or behaves in the particular way that they see as weak. Saturn rarely lets up on that. But this kind of dynamic can go on for years, simply because the moon person can become so needy for a simple nod of acknowledgement, and the Saturn person seems to love the process of breaking them of that need "I'm not going to comfort you. That's just stupid. You need to grow up"... I think generally the moon person loses here. And in an area that they really need to protect, as it is very vulnerable.
------------------------------------------Lioneseye, this description fits my situation exactly! Each time the moon shows vulnerability and opens up, Saturn closes the door in the moons face. The moon gets so cold standing outside at Saturns mercy. It almost feels like Saturn takes a sadistic pleasure in it, peering through the door's peephole laughing at the moon, punishing it for being so weak. It tries to control the moon through these icy displays and withholdings of affection. Each time this happens, the moon starts building a wall, brick by brick until the love is completely covered up and inaccessible. Resentment soon follows, and everything that was loving and sweet about the relationship is gone. Saturn is cruel. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 424
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 12:34 PM
Somebody's Saturn conjunct my Moon in Pisces won't work with me, that means it's
square my retrograde Jupiter in Sagittarius in 3rd
square my Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd
square my retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th that's because of my t-square I don't like my mom's Saturn conjunct my Sun in 2nd...I found it restricting,controlling. She did restrict,control me quite a bit. her Saturn trines my Moon, but I didn't feel it to be a good thing. I felt ashamed to be emotional,sensitive, and share my feelings with her. I don't like showing emotional vulnerability with my mother.
Raymond
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Lucia23
Knowflake Posts: 216
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 03:58 PM
Oy, Raymond, that sounds like a lot of no fun. IP: Logged |
eve
Knowflake Posts: 130
From: jane
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2009 01:15 AM
I can share my experience of being Saturn opposing someone's Moon.A few days ago, one of my best friends and I were on the phone. My mom died last summer. She brought that up, and asked how I was. "It's hard to tell, because you never let people know what you're feeling," she said. Me not opening up is a longstanding complaint of hers. I was private emotionally when we first met, but during the 11 years we've known one another, I've changed. A lot. I often freely share myself with the people I'm closest to, including her. I found her appraisal unfair, and I told her that. The other people I'm close to don't see me as denying them access to my heart like she does. She was painting me in a repressed, Saturnine way that I felt didn't do me justice. And I kid you not, at that moment I recalled that my Saturn opposes her Moon in synastry. After our conversation I looked more closely at our charts. In her natal she has Mercury cnj Moon while I have Mercury square Moon. So the way we know and express our emotions differs. Since it's my Saturn (which I have sextile Mercury) opposing her Moon (which she has cnj Mercury), she sees me as denying her the type of emotional communication she needs. But really, the only reason I'm "denying" her anything is because I genuinely don't express emotions like she does. For her to expect me to express myself how she does is unfair, I think. I don't expect her to express herself like I do. (I deleted the rest of my analysis of how we differ in this way because daaaamn this post is long enough!  ) So she feels that I'm restricting our level of emotional intimacy. When to me, it seems like she's seeking that connection through a way that I don't give it, while discounting the ways I do share my emotions. Honestly, her complaints irritate me because I feel like she's nagging me to become someone I'm not while devaluing what I am. In your case, it may be similar. Saturn is simply being himself. Saturn isn't failing to meet the Moon's needs out of malice or a lack of love. (I certainly love my friend.) I'd be interested in seeing each person's natal, if you want to post it. IP: Logged |
eve
Knowflake Posts: 130
From: jane
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2009 01:22 AM
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I never thought saturn could feel. I would have thought Saturn is of no emotion, least of all fear!
Well, you could look at it this way. All the planets have a Persona Chart, and within that chart, are all the planets. So Saturn has a Moon and a Venus and all that jazz. IP: Logged | |
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