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Topic: Cold hearted Saturn
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GemGemGem
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posted June 15, 2009 09:34 PM
 
In synastry....Saturn conjunct moon...why does Saturn act so cold and harsh to the sensitive moon sometimes. Is it because Saturn hates the moon, or deliberately wants to hurt the moon? Does Saturn not love the moon? IP: Logged |
Kismet*
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From: Venus
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posted June 15, 2009 09:37 PM
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Coffee
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From: Leeds
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posted June 15, 2009 09:43 PM
You got an example?  Its like you speak about people, not planets. IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted June 15, 2009 09:50 PM
There is no inherent hate or malice in aspects. It's just how the two people perceive the energy. The Saturn person is just being themselves and the Moon person will focus on any slight or off handed remark to heart. It doesn't matter if Saturn is bubbly or loving in general, Moon will think it's cold.This can be worked on. If the two people realize what is going on, they can make an effort to not act in certain ways to hurt the other person. IP: Logged |
Kismet*
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posted June 15, 2009 09:54 PM
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venusmars
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posted June 15, 2009 09:58 PM
I dont agree the word "hate"..
saturn in synastry, when aspecting negatively to a personal planet,especially moon or venus,it treats like a very disciplined parent,bossy and harsh.
Saturn instinctively and unfortunately does not count on venus or moon so he only protects himself..He wants to teach,after he warns,then he threatens thats bec.he doesnt want to get hurt.
Saturn,in this position, is afraid of the personal planet concerned and acts prudent.IP: Logged |
vertiver
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From: Portland, OR, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 16, 2009 01:05 AM
Alot of bickering is involved with saturn contacts to the moon, but it also adds stability to the relationship...IP: Logged |
Virgovenusleo
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posted June 16, 2009 02:53 AM
A past life connection saturn fears deep emotions think of polar opposites the cance and capricorn and back to the past life connection i have heard that saturn was the husband int he bast life and moon was the wife.IP: Logged |
Choc
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posted June 16, 2009 07:17 AM
What if that aspected Moon is in Capricorn though?IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted June 16, 2009 09:08 AM
So Saturn is harsh, disciplined, and cold toward the moon out of fear? Fear of what, that the moon will hurt them? I never thought saturm could feel. I would have thought Saturn is of no emotion, least of all fear! So are they trying to be extra rigid so they can control the situation due to this fear? Since when is the teacher/disciplinarian afraid of the student? It's interesting because I never saw Saturn in this light before! IP: Logged |
venusmars
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posted June 16, 2009 10:12 AM
Hi Gem
Saturn squares my stellium and I know it natally.Believe me it is all fear.My life is like a horor film.
O.k now Im a bit exagerating.
In synastry saturn is not a fun planet of course.But he is stable,loyal and sincere.
And you dont have only one aspect synastry wise do you?
For ex.His saturn conjunct your moon
and his jupiter sextiles your mercury and his uranus trines your venus..
These all change the whole story..IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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From: Texas
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 16, 2009 10:32 AM
GemGremGem, Saturn is the main planet that represents fear! You need to get yourself a book on saturn to help you understand the planetary energy.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted June 16, 2009 10:43 AM
Saturn seems cold coz it's serious, responsible and wants order.With Saturn conjunct Moon, I think that the Saturn person is happy with the Moon person's emotions, although he's also critical to them, for the sake of them. Just imagine a father and his child. Does a strict father not love his child, or be happy when he sees his child happy? Of course he does, it's just, that's Saturn's way of being. But well, maybe Saturn should learn to relax and not being too critical/wanting to teach towards the Moon, while the Moon can also learn to accept and be compassionate to Saturn's way of being. ^_~ IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted June 16, 2009 11:06 AM
Ok, so Saturn is hard on the Moon, for the moon's own good? Like tough love? But again, what is Saturn so afraid of? Venusmars, what kind of fear do you feel due to your stellium square to Saturn? Fear of life, fear of losing control over your life? I just read something on a website that it could be that Saturn is threatened whenever the other person tries to grow and spread their wings, so it's restrictive and condemning. So on one hand Saturn is the teacher and wants the person to learn, but then it tries to restrict the other person due to fear that they will outgrow them? It's a bit confusing. IP: Logged |
songwriter
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posted June 16, 2009 11:26 AM
Linda Goodman's Relationship Signs >> Moon conjunct SaturnIP: Logged |
comica23
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posted June 16, 2009 11:27 AM
I guess that to understand the fears of Saturn, maybe we can try to understand why does Saturn have a strong need for order and seriousness, and also being rational while not allowing itself to be emotional.IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted June 16, 2009 11:52 AM
Thanks Songwriter! That was very insightful! Regarding that thread...who usually leaves when it gets too hard? The planet person, or the saturn person? IP: Logged |
songwriter
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posted June 16, 2009 12:26 PM
You're welcome. I think the planet person usually leaves, because Saturn is strong and tough, not easily damaged by being hit, and has the capacity to recover easily and quickly from damaging events, but of course this doesnt mean that Saturn never gets hurt. Saturn gets hurt too and may decide to end the relationship as well.
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Just Mia
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posted June 16, 2009 12:29 PM
Well speaking from experience I am the Saturn person and I always end things..My Saturn conjuncts his moon and Venus.. Saturn conjunct or opposite the Sun, Moon, or Venus: A relationship with this factor is going be a long-lasting, rather sober relationship (of course a wild Uranus aspect in the synastry chart can change this!). There is much to be learned from one another, and Saturn is not always the teacher. Saturn can be very fearful of the Sun, Moon, or Venus--perhaps feeling unworthy of the other's love, or scared the other will surely hurt them. Of course this can also work the other way, with the other planet feeling fearful of Saturn, but it is usually Saturn who fears the most. The Sun, Moon, or Venus must be very patient and learn that Saturn's restrictions are based on this subconcious fear. This aspect in the synastry has the potential to become the foundation on which a couple can build a permanent union. This is a karmic aspect, and many times the two souls have been sexually intimate in a previous life. IP: Logged |
GemGemGem
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posted June 16, 2009 02:16 PM
Just Mia, did you end it due to fear of getting hurt or was it that it got too hard to have so much responsibility being the saturn person?IP: Logged |
Just Mia
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posted June 16, 2009 04:48 PM
Fear of being hurt and just tired of the same ole same ole..The seperation has been hard though..IP: Logged |
Stargazer
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From: Ohio
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 16, 2009 05:34 PM
I have this with my boyfriend and we handle it very well. I think the karma aspect is there. But I look at Saturn contacts as the glue that forces us to try instead of just giving up.
I think you have to look at the whole chart.
My b/f is a Cap and I'm a Virgo
We both have Moon in Aries
His Moon conj my Saturn in Aries,
I am also Cap Asc.
His Venus sex my Saturn With alot of Saturn in both our natals and the same Moon sign... it's a better fit.
Comfortable but never cold. :heart
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venusmars
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posted June 16, 2009 09:25 PM
Fear of life..
Im talking about my natal aspects of course,dont take it synastry wise because you have to interpret the whole synastry chart as I said before..Saturn is a difficult planet to deal with but it has some rewards too.
I am afraid of many things and it is getting worse as I grow older..
Im afraid of losing someone I love,Im afraid of failures or loneliness and so on..
Everyone feels the same as a matter of fact,you dont need saturn's harsh aspects to feel the fear but,it controls my life unfortunately..thats the difference.. Especially saturn square venus or moon people would understand what Im talking about right now..
In my life,nothing really nothing I want happened,when I want it..there is always a timing problem.I get what I want at the end but it is when TO GET THAT IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT ANYMORE.. Disappointments are the major part of my life so even though I want to trust someone very badly it is not easy for me to do it.. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted June 17, 2009 12:16 AM
Edit---ooops, you said "in Synastry", duh.Erasing a long post about natal Moon-Saturn. IP: Logged |
lionseye***
Knowflake Posts: 52
From: edmonton, ab. ca
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2009 01:30 AM
The least sentimental planet verses the most sentimental planet, of course this is going to hurt - both of them. The moon person feels like whenever they reveal their emotions, they're slammed, regardless of how vulnerable they clearly are. This is not appreciated, and can quickly lead to an emotional wall being erected. Then, emotional vulnerabilities will only be shared in sarcasm and probably with other people, not the Saturn person. The Saturn person, is generally uneffected by this, unless they are keenly interested in self betterment, and how they could be kinder people. See, it's really not that personal to them when they slam a person who tweeks their pet peeves or behaves in the particular way that they see as weak. Saturn rarely lets up on that. But this kind of dynamic can go on for years, simply because the moon person can become so needy for a simple nod of acknowledgement, and the Saturn person seems to love the process of breaking them of that need "I'm not going to comfort you. That's just stupid. You need to grow up"... I think generally the moon person loses here. And in an area that they really need to protect, as it is very vulnerable. Unless the moon is receiving aspects from Saturn natally or through transits, or progressions, or maybe even Draconic, then the Saturn person was sent by the cosmos to help... and if that's the case, it will run it's course eventually. And it will hurt. Saturn will suffer guilt, but will stuff it down, because they were always right, dammit...UNLESS they have a moon/saturn aspect or transit...then, the moon person was sent by the cosmos to help.
best regards, your teachers - love & pain.IMHO IP: Logged |
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