posted June 18, 2009 08:14 PM         

that's her belief,and it's dogmatic and does come off looking like fundamentalist.

there are lot of people who believe in God and that Astrology and God are strongly connected...especially if they have pantheistic beliefs.

I guess it depends how one views God.

I guess she's talking about the God in the bible that fundamentalist Christians believe in

I believe in God as all,everything,universe,all existence.
I also believe that it has no gender just like I believe that our souls have no gender.

I definitely view Astrology as way of understanding God, life itself. I believe it's like a science of God. a metaphysical science.

A person can rely on both divination tools and still have faith in god. Some believe that they are not separate from God. Some view having faith in divination tools is having faith in God and vice versa.

She's just going by the fundamental Christian beliefs of what God is

even in the first page of the bible

it said:

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
- Genesis 1:14 in King James Version of The Bible
http://www.astrologyzine.com/astrology-bible.shtml

back in 1998 the year when I first got into Astrology, I used to have similar concerns as her. After I read Michael Star's points about Astrology in the Bible, I believed that Astrology is not something that the Bible is against. Then a little later on, I didn't really care. I believe that the Bible shouldn't be taken literally. It can be a great book to gain insights in the way life works. The same with other mythologies.
Astrology has a strong connection to mythology. All connected..archetypes

yeah...I know...I dig Carl Jung

I have my chart ruler, Mercury in Scorpio in 3rd oppose Jung in Taurus in 9th too.

Jungian psychology influenced my religious beliefs after I got into Astrology.

Carl Jung's father was actually a pastor.

posted June 19, 2009 12:18 AM         

That the study of the movement of the stars and it's influence are "evil" is preposterous. It's made by the very same hand of God as anything and anyone else. How could it possibly be evil? I was raised by God fearing parents and I've chosen to believe in a loving God and non-judgemental God. This guilt that people are made to feel is archaic.

Those men who created these rules to keep themselves in positions of influence and power have created a terrible linage of guilt and fear. That people still believe these doctrines that lack any sense of logic is beyond me. I do not believe one word of The Bible. That people would rather believe that Jesus was conceived by immaculate conception is laughable. And that people actually choose to believe that over astrology and other things is ridiculous. It makes no sense in either any logical or spiritual frame.

Astrology is a gift - a resource - for us to use - to learn about each other and help each other. The people who tell us (and I've been told many times over the years) that astrology is a bad or evil influence have a lot to learn and, in my opinion, need to use that God-given brain of theirs to find their own truth rather than the brainwashing that we've become accustomed to as a whole.

Okay, so there's some stuff in there that people won't agree with. That's my take on it. I'm not going to argue my point. I've said my only piece on it. Astrology is amazing - an extraordinary and fine tool. I'll defend it and it's relevance and spirituality til the end.

posted June 19, 2009 12:25 AM         

I hope you don't go from here. Whether you leave astrology or not for whatever reason is up to you. I just want you to know that I really enjoy you here and your posts. There's other forums and subjects here too.

posted June 19, 2009 02:20 AM         

What would happen if you went on the Channel 4 thread challenging the morality of watching the news? You would get what you get, and it would be uglier than here on LL.

Whether it was the need to try and resolve some inner conflict or some other intent, she wanted to argue about it.

It's not really a personal thing and if it is, maybe we should ask why, if someone wants to post or doesn't, they feel the need to turn that that choice into a launching a debate about whether or not astrology is immoral?

This is an international astrology website, where you will find people like me, for whom the tambourine-shaking type of Christianity is a a cultural oddity. It's not obvious within the context of my religious upbriginging (or current practice within a different denomination) that astrology and Christianity don't walk happily hand in hand. Seemingly, for other people, it is, however, I don't see it the same way. I accept this difference, happily, but this fluffy tolerant vibe is not sustainable if the alternate vision is imposed upon my person. Problematically, I do not take as my life guide something written in the desert thousands of years ago by a bunch of blood-thirsty nomads. To persaude me will take a lot of posts.

I did a quick Google and found this, it's made out of lead.

http://www.paradoxplace.com/Photo%20Pages/UK/Brita in_South_and_West/Romney%20Marshes/St_Augustine_Brookland/St_Augustine.htm

Geminis, we get to go hawking. Not for us the effort of grape-crushing or hay-making.

posted June 19, 2009 01:35 PM         

Probably better for my blood pressure that I didn't see your posts in this thread tho, judging from the excerpts quoted here.....

posted June 19, 2009 02:03 PM         

Raymond, PA, BM

I once - briefly- wondered myself if astrology is against God`s will (because a boy at school told me I was a witch and deserved to be burned, when I turn against God like that. BTW he, too, was living in the 20th century!)

Anyway, it was just a brief episode, cause while I was pondering this, I looked above at the sky (it was at night) and saw all these stars glitter up there and making geometrical patterns (well, at least I saw them like geometrical patterns).

And I wondered, if astrology is against God`s will, why did he create the stars at all? (I was maybe 12 years old, so a bit naive).

Anyway I still think that we will only be albe to decipher what we are meant to know.
In a way the thought that astrology is against God`s will and evil, is even arrogant; cause it implies, that by doing astrology, we can override the creator`s will and gain knowledge he doesn`t want us to have, which of course would imply that we have power over him (by overriding his will), and that seems a tad arrogant.

Well, I must admit that I`m not believing in God the same way as I did when I was a child. Not in that personal good-bad way.
And this reflects back on my use of astrology. Not the astrology itself is bad or evil. It all depends on what we do with it. If we use it to scare other people or manipulate them, then of course we are doing a wrong thing.

posted June 19, 2009 02:47 PM         

peoples opinions are just that - peoples opinions.

whether you hear them here - in a church or anywhere else.

your path to enlightenment is jsut that YOUR PATH.

it is a very personal thing and unique to each individual as each individual is unique.

search your heart and do what you feel is right in your heart for you. dont let anyone and i mean anyone, mother, father, precher, child, or friend tell you what you need to believe in. it is personal and only your business.

if you want to give it up, give it up. but not because someone told you it is bad, you judge that for yourself.

dancing to someone elses drum is not fulfilling your purpose.

listen to your heart, and let your mind, words and actions be in line with each other then you will have harmony and balance and other peoples opinions wont bother you.

when they shove their opinions on you, say ...uh huh, uh huh...thank you for your advise,,,, and keep going on your path knowing it is right for you.

the three wise men followed the stars to the baby jesus. it didnt say the three evil men, it said the three wise men.

when i have went against my better judgement or my heart on a (any) matter becasue other peoples counsil, it alwasys ended badly, i have learned to listen to my instincts and my own heart as well meaning people don't always know what is right for you...but you do.

some christians think dancing will get them a ticket straight to hell, the bible says david danced before the lord with all of his might and it honored him.

voodoo and amish practitioners believe a picture will take part of thier soul, so they dont get pictures taken..

treat it all like a buffet, take what works and what you need, discard what doesn't and be true to your own self.

well meaning people can assume that thier path is the only path and thier way is the only right way. not so. your path and mine are different, but hopefully they both lead us to the same destination.

posted June 19, 2009 05:00 PM         

...until the next time...

Love,

posted June 23, 2009 09:43 PM         

These posts all give good reason to have a wider view. I know that fundamentalist Christians will tell you that the Bible says astrology is evil but there are many places in the Bible where it is accepted. I think that the Bible says what ever you want it to say. And don't forget how many times the Bible has been filtered and edited to fit the agendas of people in power.

I think astrology can be used for good or bad just like everything else in the world.
Personally, it strengthens my belief in God as it gives us just a glimse of the Grand Design.

posted June 24, 2009 06:17 AM         

Vatican has some of the most sophisticated telscopes in the world.
Does anybody ponder why?

Different rules for masses and different rules for themselves. Astrology empowers the masses and hence the controllers of the world want to discredit it in public.

posted June 24, 2009 06:37 AM         

quote:

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All the religious leaders who opposed astrology secretly knew it and followed it.

Vatican has some of the most sophisticated telscopes in the world.
Does anybody ponder why?

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Yeah, but thats astronomy, not astrology.

Agreed there are differing attitudes towards the subject of astrology.

Like Jai says...

It strengthens my belief in God as it gives us just a glimse of the Grand Design.

posted June 24, 2009 11:54 AM         

The Vatican has the largest AstroLogy library in the world! As a matter of fact, it might do her some good to read this book written by our current Pope, even though she's Christian and he's Catholic, it might help. The review is by astrologer John Frawley: