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Topic: Virgo a dual sign? Any thoughts?
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mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 10:08 AM
Knowflakes, Any thoughts or experiences on the following? http://sasstrology.com/2008/08/astrology-of-kink-virgo-fallen-angel.html The symbol for Virgo is the Virgin, and it helps to keep in mind when dealing with this highly paradoxical sign. No matter how many times they’ve been around the block, Virgos always seem as fussy and particular as a first-timer. Don’t be fooled — this is only one half of this dual sign. Make no mistake: Virgo is dual, just like Gemini or Pisces, but Virgo often hides its duality, even from itself.
As an earth sign, they are less comfortable with the changeability of their mutable natures and often seek to suppress it. Part of Virgo wants to remain pristine and proper, while the other part wants to get down and dirty. Virgo enacts the tense “virgin/wh0re ” polarity in almost all aspects of life, and this can result in some intriguing bedroom quirks, to say the least. Foremost, Virgo is Mercury-ruled, and can build elaborate mental fences around their most taboo desires. They tend to create exacting-but-arbitrary conditions under which specific desires can be satisfied (as in “only if her name starts with P,” or “only on a Tuesday during tax season.”) If a Virgin violates her own rules, she feels unpleasantly grubby. If her conditions are met, she feels just dirty enough — she maintains her “virgin” status but has given the "wh0re” her due.
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 689 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 11:10 AM
I think that all signs have their polarities imho for instance, Scorpio can be said to be physically sexual but they can also be celibate,channeling their sexual energy into spiritual purposes....like kundalini I am a my Sun is in tropical Scorpio, but my Sun is is in the actual constellation of Virgo. It's not in Libra like it is in the Sidereal Zodiac. I can relate to a lot of Virgo stuff.
I have Ascendant in tropical Virgo, but that's like a mask and how people see me but deep essence, I am like a Virgo but I am convinced that my constellation Virgo Sun is my cosmic self I think the constellation placements are like the cosmic self and the tropical placements are like the earth self My Sun is also parallel Khambalia, a star in Virgo too. Alpha Virgo, Spica, is my heliacal rising star...that's the star that rules the day that I was born. Raymond
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 802 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 01:24 PM
i have to agree, in essence, though maybe due to all the years of practice i have learned to accomodate both sides pretty well without either trashing the other.glaucus you are right too, of course all the signs have their dualities. but the mutables seem destined to be unable to rest in either side for long. that is what i love about them! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 813 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 03:38 PM
All people are dualistic and multi-faceted. As a woman I am virgin/wh0re/a whole lot more, and well beyond the labels of either/or. IP: Logged |
VirgOh Knowflake Posts: 124 From: New Jersey, USA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 04:31 PM
I like Wh0res IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 163 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 06:02 PM
VirgoOh- I am not suprised. Hehe. mblover- I exhibit that dual nature, but I have learned to make it work so that I'm able to look myself in the mirror. This I've done by being very discriminating as far as partners are concerned, but when I'm with a partner finally, the freak comes out to play. So, although I haven't had many sexual partners, I've had a lot of sex. Speaking of other things... They always say that Virgos hate a mess. No, I disagree. I don't mind a messy place, but I can't stand dirt. So, I'm always surrounded by some mess or another due to papers that missed the trash can, a wrapper from some energy bar, water, juice, my computer, my bag, my guitar, some clothes, pens, camera, a blanket, antihistamines, a remote or three, books... I am always surrounded by my nicknacks, but they are all sterilized and dust free. So, on first glance, It's dirty due to the mess, but on a micro level, It's clean. the kitchen is always clean but when I'm in it, its a mess because I just work like that. I clean when I'm done working. So, while cooking they'll be dishes all over, flour spattered somewhere, therefore I'm messy. Then, when I clean it, I leave it spotless. also, when I'm home, I'll just walk around in any item of clothing I can find, but publicly, I'm always dressed appropriately. IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 06:56 PM
Thank you for responses.MyVirgoMask, Raymond, Agreed that all people/signs have dualistic and paradoxical sides. But, for the Virgo Sign, there is something hidden in that they don't have two visible faces in the symbols like other mutables have. Thus, I am curious as to whether people recognize this dual nature in Virgos that they come across. A lot of answers such as 'Why is that Virgo so sexual and does not emit any quality of Virgin?', 'Why is that Virgo so messy?', 'How come that Virgo woman with 5 planet stellium in the 10th house has never mastered anything in life?' etc. could be understood by understanding the dual nature of Virgos rather than going with easy answers such as 'Ultimately its a free will of the Virgo ' I also wonder if this hidden side could lead into aspects and influences in relation to prostitution. Not to conclude that Virgos are prostitutes.. but could there be something in the 6th house, Mercury, Virgo sign, aspects for people who make their living as prostitutes? Could a short term transit explain why someone did prostitution for a few years in their life and then left it? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 813 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 09:14 PM
Mblover, Virgo IS associated on some level with virgins yet those same virgins also served in the ancient temples as sacred 'prostitutes' to the goddess. They initiated men into the mysteries of sex, and yet were still viewed as virgins because they *belonged* to no man. They belonged to the gods and to themselves and that's it. So it's not a transit; it's two sides of the same coin.
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 689 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 09:26 PM
The tropical Virgo planets are often in the constellation of Leo, and so they might have an influenceof course, other planets in placements and aspects could factor into it too. I knew a promiscuous gal who was born August 29th,and so she had Sun in Virgo...Sun in Leo constellation
she also had Moon in Taurus which indicate being sensual....don't know her time of birth I first knew her when she and I were both special education students. She also told me that she was sexually abused by her stepfather too. Raymond
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mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 28, 2009 11:41 PM
MVM, Makes sense with what you are saying and agreed. However, I am talking about e.g. A woman who chose prostitution for lets say 5 years of her life, but she exited prostitution and did not go back to it. It does not have to be a Virgo Sun Sign woman. It could be any woman. But, could an answer be found based on criteria such as some transit around the 6th house, may be around 12th house, may be something in her Virgo sign house.. or may be some transiting aspects that influenced this short term prostitution. Again, I am curious whether an answer could be found in cases such as these because most of the time I only find 'ultimately its a free will' whereas I am wondering whether it may not have been a free will and it could be indeed something in her Virgo traits that triggered this side in her. I hope you understand I am not trying to provoke anything against Virgos (have utmost respect for them) but rather trying to understand The Virgin better. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 813 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 12:45 AM
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Dee Knowflake Posts: 128 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 03:15 AM
http://www.forecasters.co.nz/origins-virgo IP: Logged |
Mhax Knowflake Posts: 3 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 29, 2009 03:59 AM
Virgo is a dual sign too because is a combination between young and adult, and a combination between the social and personal signsIP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 30, 2009 08:41 PM
MVM, that was an interesting analysis indeed. IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 10:13 AM
bumping up.IP: Logged |
GypseeWind Knowflake Posts: 673 From: Dayton,Ohio USA Registered: May 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 11:10 AM
I love Virgos, they are so interesting and complex.I notice an all-or-nothing pattern with them. My mother for instance, can go for years without drinking, then drink everyday in the Legion with her husband. Literally, just switch up like that with her habits. It baffles the heck out of me. MVM- my house is the opposite of yours, lol. Clean to the passing eye, but don't touch the fan blades or pick anything up. IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 11:12 AM
I would agree with this. As a Virgo, I would say that those who would try to neatly categorize Virgo, those who would try to box us all up as little stick in the mud perfectionists with tidy houses and perfectly balanced checkbooks need to take a second look. I used to struggle with the madonna vs. wh0re aspect a lot but have learned to love and embrace both. IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 11:20 AM
Gypsee,It's interesting that you say that about your mom. I am like that with smoking. I can smoke like a fiend one minute, chain smoke my butt off, and then quit cold turkey just like that and not pick up another cigarette for months, even years. Maybe that's a mutable sign thing and not a Virgo thing though. IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 12:44 PM
Interesting Gypsee and Starr..Gypsee, does your mom have Moon in a fixed sign? Starr, I agree.. embracing both helps tremendously..I know so many Virgos come across as wanting to be Good Old Virgin but always look for mental justification to go on the Other side. When they have the Aries, Scorpio or Pisces type partners, I tend to notice that they love to expose their Wh0re side quite well. I also think Sco types know intuitively this other side of Virgos and use it to control them. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 813 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 02:37 PM
Mblover, I sometimes think my own Aries moon and Venus Scorpio-Mars Taurus opposition in the 1st adds to my sexual nature (making me manipulate myself quite well ) IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl Knowflake Posts: 28 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 02:57 PM
Another Virgo with a Venus in Scorpio that likes to fight with her Mars (mine is square my Mars Leo). I feel your pain LOL.IP: Logged |
mblover Knowflake Posts: 90 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 03:47 PM
quote: making me manipulate myself quite well
- I love that..you are not alone..I know many Virgo/Aries..LOLIP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 813 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 03:57 PM
I must say though, that my 'weakness' as far as men with Scorpio wasn't Scorpio suns, but lunar Scorps. They wreck me every time, it seems. It doesn't help that their moons fall into my 7th, and hover around in there, wreaking havoc lol StarrofVenus - Venus Scorpio and Leo Mars sizzles! I don't know what it is about Mars/Venus oppositions and squares exactly, but I think it heightens the sex drive considerably (just from what I've seen). Kind of a kinky love/hate thing going on with that.
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FoxyAries Knowflake Posts: 49 From: Bay Area, California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 03:58 PM
I've realized that the two Virgos I have dated have a crazy/white hot sexual apetite. One has Venus in Libra/Mars in Virgo, the other Venus in Leo/Mars in Aries. IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat Knowflake Posts: 228 From: Wonderland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 10, 2009 03:58 PM
Wow, I didn't see this..well I am a Virgo Sun/Pisces Moon lol talk about DUAL.I think Virgo and Scorpio were together once and splitted right..? Does that explain it.. I agree MVM, I have this thing for Lunar Scorpio people haha. IP: Logged |