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Lucia23
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posted July 07, 2009 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been looking at natals and synastry, and I'm brewing this theory that you can get a really decent "quickie" portrait of a personality or relationship by just listing all the aspects (including minor aspects) that are at a 0 degree orb. It's like a candid snapshot--it certainly won't tell the whole story or substitute for a full, real reading--but it gives you a surprisingly quick and accurate look at the personality or relationship.

So far, doing "zero degree" charts is giving me new insights on charts I'm looking at...I've been starting to do them even when I plan to do a more thorough synastry or natal too. Using the minor aspects is helping me learn to read and interpret them better, and I don't think they're always so minor.

It's especially revealing if, in synastry, I refer to DD's guidelines for Romance, Soulmate, and Karma house rulers, and play close attention to the aspects that touch those...http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019007.html

What do you think? Post your "0 degree" aspect list in a synastry or your natal.

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posted July 07, 2009 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I think you are onto something here

I think the snapshot you get by focusing on the strongest energies active in the personality/individual/entity makes for a great reference point and sense, to me at least.

With the synastries you have looked at, does it appear to be the more dominant mode of relating expressed between the two individuals?

Natally I only have two exact aspects:

Sun sesquiquadrate Pluto *Chart Ruler*
Mercury semi-square Venus (0)
*Neptune Sun* ruler sextile Pluto *Chart Ruler*
(But I know the sextile is generational..)

Hmm, a power-hungry spiritual megalomaniac who isn't able to express herself pleasantly.
That doesn't paint a very flattering or easy-going picture of me as an individual


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posted July 07, 2009 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does this mean an exact 0 (0.00) or any degree that falls within the 0 orb?

The tightest 0 orb I have natally is Sun Square Moon @ 0°07, followed by Venus SesquiQuadrate Pluto @ 0°08. I'm so square dominated! Ever heard that Beta Band song "Squares?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzu_as7qWSU

Aaaand, forgive me my mention-itis tonight, but:

The Libra & I have Mars sextile Mars at the exact 0.00 degree, and Jupiter Quintile Moon at 0.01.

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posted July 07, 2009 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it makes you sound intense and interesting, Redstar. (Not sure how I would feel about those as the only exact aspects in a synastry, though...but edgy in a good way in the natal.)

At the very least, doing these is helping me really isolate how planets interact and what aspects mean.

Natally, I have:
Sun semisquare ASC
Moon sextile Mars
Mercury quintile MC
Venus semisquare Jupiter
Venus square MC
Jupiter quincunx Vertex
Jupiter semisquare MC
Uranus opp Chiron (generational??)
Uranus quintile AC
Pluto quintile NN
Pluto square AC
NN square Juno
(I'm not including asteroids here, but I notice the exact Lilith quincunx Moon)


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Does this mean an exact 0 (0.00) or any degree that falls within the 0 orb?

I'm using any aspect that's less than one degree, just to make skimming on astro.com easier.

EDITED: do the whole list of you and the Libra when you have time--it can give new perspective on a relationship.

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Lucia23
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posted July 07, 2009 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's also fascinating to notice 0 degree aspects you have in several different relationships.

For example--with the guy I have a crush on/lust for who I have creatively collaborated with, I have:
My SUN square his LUST (0)

With a woman who I admire very much and have creatively collaborated with, I have:
Her SUN square my LUST (0)

It's weird, because there is a similar quality of feeling in both of those relationships for me--a tense creative energy that could play out either sexually or intellectually.

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posted July 07, 2009 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aerialcircus that moon quintile jupiter could be a blessing as it's indicative of ease of understanding and supportive interaction between the two of you. Most Moon-jupiter aspects are very benefic as interaspects, in my opinion, because they generate a sense of amicability and childish trust between the parties involved.

Wow Lucia you are one complex cookie (in a GOOD way!) with all of those 0 degree aspects. I'd imagine so much constructively focused energy in your natal would make for a complex and fascinating personality.
What is your chart ruler?
Is it involved in any of these close aspects?

Mercury quintile MC - surely communication of some sort must be part of your vocation?
That Moon-mars sextile gives plenty of psychic energy apparently.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for songwriter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natally, I have:

Sun trine Uranus
Sun sesquiquadrate Mars
Sun semisquare Chiron
Venus quintile Jupiter
Venus biquintile Pluto
Neptune quincunx Asc
Pluto biquintile T. Node
Pluto square Asc

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posted July 07, 2009 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a writer.

Saturn is my chart ruler--and, what a delight to see that it's missing from my 0 degree chart! Since in my normal natal, it is in Cancer in the 7th conjunct my DC and Moon.

Quintiles are wonderful--I really feel them in natal and various synastries. I think they're more noticable than trines. With a trine I guess we take the ease for granted...with a sextile, we have to activate the easy/felicitous dynamic...with quintile, it feels like a miracle coming down from the sky. Anywhere I notice a quintile in synastry, it always seems to hightlight an area of brilliance or magic between the two people.

Edited--left out asteroids, but I just noticed that natally, Venus is quintile my Eros and Valentine, which kind of makes me feel better.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Songwriter, you look like a lot of fun to be around (Sun trine Uranus, good surprises, Venus quintile Jupiter)--and I take it you really are a song writer?

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posted July 07, 2009 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah then that Jupiter semisquare MC and
Venus square MC make perfect sense.

Wow Venus quintile Eros and Valentine sounds magical and so lovely.Do you find the energies play out in the way you relate to others?

The only zero degree aspects with asteroids I have is Mercury conjunct Juno, Sun conjunct Persephone and Mars conjunct Lust.

I know what you mean about the Sun squares to Lust - interesting how you can actually feel the energetic undercurrent, which does not have to play out in a purely sexual way.
I have my Asc exactly square my S.O's Lust, and if that is in any way similar to a sun/lust square, then wow what energy!

Yep I think Quintiles are severely underrated in synastric comparisons.


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posted July 07, 2009 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, alright! In that case, I've got a lot more to offer!

Natally I have:

Sun Opposite Pluto Orb -0°39'
Sun Square Moon Orb +0°07'
Moon Square Pluto Orb +0°31'
Venus Square Asc Orb +0°58'
Sun Trine Neptune Orb -0°46'
Mars Sextile Uranus Orb -0°28'
Sun SemiSquare AS Orb +0°10'
Moon SemiSquare Venus Orb -0°40'
Saturn SemiSquare Uranus Orb +0°41'
Sun Sun SemiSquare Venus Orb +0°48'
Venus SesquiQuadrate Pluto Orb -0°08'
Moon SesquiQuadrate AS Orb +0°18'
Pluto SesquiQuadrate AS Orb -0°49'
Uranus Quintile MC Orb -0°15'
Moon SemiSextile Neptune Orb -0°53'

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posted July 07, 2009 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Redstar, that's so nice to hear (and true of us, too). We're VERY childike and free when we're together. I have a barrel of totally unfounded anxieties where he's concerned, though.

Lucia, I'm really loving this thread- like mini-charts. I bet this would be really helpful with astrological psychology too (pinpointing the sharpest points of ease/tension, etc). I'm definitely going to have to take a closer look in the morning!

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posted July 07, 2009 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The only zero degree aspects with asteroids I have is Mercury conjunct Juno, Sun conjunct Persephone and Mars conjunct Lust.

Woo--natal Mars-Lust sounds HOT and passionate.

I think actually I have enjoyed that quintile for most of my relationships...going through a lonely spell just now now...I'll check out my progressions/transits to see what's up with that. Or maybe noticing it will allow me to reactivate it.

Aerialcircus--hello Hades Moon!!! Pluto, Pluto, Pluto...no wonder you're into the Scorpio Risings with dark artwork.


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posted July 07, 2009 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I am developing close aspect envy just by looking at all the close aspects in your charts Lucia and aerialcircus (my fellow pluto-challenged friend)

quote:

Woo--natal Mars-Lust sounds HOT and passionate.

Ah thank you, but it's in Aries, and thus has
lead to some rather 'colorful' and trigger-happy decisions in my lovelife.

Sounds like a good idea - about the reactivation. But time off has it's benefits too - from a purely selfish point of view (mars in aries ) having you contribute to and start so many stimulating threads here on this forum has been great!
Thank you for your time and energy - I believe it has been of much benefit to many. I'd imagine if you were not experiencing 'down time' on the relationship front, you would've not had the opportunity to engage on this forum.

I bet there is something in that some of us have so many exact and focused aspects, and others have mostly loose aspects (like me)
I wonder how) that plays out in our ability of integrating these energies in our personalities.


aerialcircus - how do you experience the sesquiquadrates? Do you feel them? Seems
like Pluto offers plenty of stimulation, especially to both of your luminaries.

I second aerialcircus in that this thread was a great idea Lucia

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posted July 07, 2009 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh! And FYI- http://www.astrotheme.com/ lays all of these right out in front of you, in super easy to see form. In synastry as well- although it doesn't deal in a lot of asteroids, so you'd have to figure those out on your own.

Libra & I:

Pluto Conjunction Pluto Orb +0,21'
Uranus Conjunction Mars Orb +0,13'

Sun Opposite Pluto Orb -0,06'

Venus Trine Jupiter Orb -0,40'
Venus Trine N. Node Orb -0,59'

Venus Sextile Lilith Orb -0,50'

Neptune Inconjunction Chiron Orb +0,47'

Saturn SemiSquare Mars Orb +0,53'

Venus SesquiQuadrate Pluto Orb -0,56'

MC Quintile Mars Orb -0,05'
Neptune Quintile Mercury Orb +0,06'
Uranus Quintile Venus Orb -0,42'

MC BiQuintile Venus Orb -0,34'
Sun BiQuintile AS Orb -0,51'
Sun BiQuintile Uranus Orb +0,15'

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posted July 07, 2009 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LanaofAugust     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not everyone has such tight orbs in their natal chart, so you can't really get a "quickie portrait" of them like that.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, we are all really Plutonian here (you can't see it in my 0 chart, but I myself have Pluto aspecting my natal Sun, Moon, Merc, and Saturn at wider orbs, and an 8th house Sun-Merc-Mars stellium)...we Plutos love the astrology, I guess.

I think a smaller number of close aspects might make them more pronounced, although I'm not sure. It could also have to do with their potency based on connections to your chart ruler or angles.

Okay, getting very sleepy. Happy eclipse! More tomorrow.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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going through a lonely spell just now now

It seems like a lot of people are dealing with this- what's the deal? Maybe once eclipse season is over...

Redstar, what to do about Pluto, right? Can't he just leave us alone? We should start a Pluto-challenged support group where we can all just get together to brood, punch & throw things. I'm rather fond of the sound of shattering fragiles, myself.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aerialcircus--that synastry is intense in how it echoes your close natal aspects. I don't know how you are keeping your hands (horns? what is it rams use?) to yourself with that Libra, jeez.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
haha, Lucia. I punch and manhandle him a lot. I practically wrestled him to the ground tonight at the end of our too-long goodnight hug. How else do Sun Opp Pluto ladies show love?

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posted July 07, 2009 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Redstar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We should start a Pluto-challenged support group where we can all just get together to brood, punch & throw things. I'm rather fond of the sound of shattering fragiles, myself.

I'm ashamed to admit this, but my Scorpio ascendant loves the sound of all that

That synastry is certainly Plutonian!
And with Lilith making an appearance, turn off the lights, and embrace the darkness

quote:
Sun Opposite Pluto Orb -0,06'

aerial who is the sun?

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posted July 07, 2009 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LanaofAugust     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Wow, we are all really Plutonian here"

No Lucia, that is not true.

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posted July 07, 2009 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natally, i have

Mercury conjunct pluto
venus semisextile uranus
mars semisquare jupiter
sun quintile lust
moon semisquare valentine
and i have mars aquarius at 0 degrees


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posted July 07, 2009 03:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lana, by "we", I meant the people who had posted so far in this thread.

Lotion--woo, that Sun-Lust quintile must be fun. Lots of creative and sexual spark!

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posted July 07, 2009 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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aerialcircus - how do you experience the sesquiquadrates? Do you feel them? Seems
like Pluto offers plenty of stimulation, especially to both of your luminaries.

Becuase of the way the rest of my chart is set up (so many squares, all over), it's kind of hard to see where my squares begin, my semi-squares mix, and my sesquiquadrates end, haha.

But considering the signs involved, I tend to feel them as intensity concerning connections/separations. I go deep with people really, really quickly- unconsciously, but still a little foolish. I also have this terrible habit of cutting people completely out of my life when I feel they've deeply betrayed my trust, feeling like it's the only way I can regain my self respect. So I'm constantly pulling people in to me really, really deeply and then reaching in to cut them out.

THANKS AGAIN, PLUTO, FOR ALL THE MEMORIES.

oh, and in the synastry aspect with my Libra friend, I'm the Sun. I actually have that aspect with most people in my (Libra Pluto) generation, for better or worse.

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