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Amphitrite
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posted July 12, 2009 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Just wondering if anybody could shed some light on how different nodal aspects may play out in synastry.

For instance how would person A NN conjunct person B saturn be different to person A NN square person B saturn.

It seems to me that a relationship with many aspects to the nodes can be quite uncomfortable, yet being the NN person in many of these aspects I can't help but be drawn in. Its really quite draining. I'm wondering if the planet person has any idea that this is how he is making me feel, and if he is feeling any of it. We work closely together.

His sun conjunct my NN
His moon conjunct my NN
His mercury conjunct my NN
His neptune trine my NN
His pluto sextile my NN
His vertex opposite my NN

My sun square his NN
My saturn square his NN
My vertex sextile his NN

So I guess I'm wondering which you think is more uncomfortable, squares or conjunctions to the nodes. I'm sorry if I'm not making sense...

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evander
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posted July 12, 2009 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
what are the orbs on those aspects?

I think you should pay attention only to those that are somewhat more exact then others.

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Amphitrite
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posted July 12, 2009 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
His sun/moon/mercury conjuncting my NN are in cancer, my 12th house, his 11th house)

His sun conjunct my NN (3)
His moon conjunct my NN (0)
His mercury conjunct my NN (3)
His neptune trine my NN (4)
His pluto sextile my NN (2)
His vertex opposite my NN (2)

My sun square his NN (2)
My saturn square his NN (3)
My vertex sextile his NN (3)

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Lara
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posted July 12, 2009 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?id=4244
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3445

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 12, 2009 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe this helps some:

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Here's an article that might shed some light... http://www.zodiacal.com/articles/geisler/dragon.htm

A summary:

Their North Node conjunct your sun: This relationship is planted firmly in the future and encompasses all levels of your life. Dynamic and powerful irregardless of how long the relationship physically lasts. They remain with you, in some form, for a long time into the future. Their south node conjunct your sun: A dynamic partner from your past who can shed light on your inherent strengths.

Their north node conjunct your moon: They seep in and affect your emotional levels and subconscious. Anytime the north node connects it can bring far reaching longevity to the relationship. Irregardless your emotional and inner reaches are forever affected because of your meeting. You will never forget this person.
Their south node conjunct your moon: This feels incredibly familiar and either extremely safe and comforting or disconcerting. Can indicate a strong, emotional bond from your past.

A nodal tie to Mercury often initiates a conversational tie or a classroom introduction. Today's internet is definitely a Mercury contact and when an acquaintance is begun there, expect to see some Mercury activation. If the relationship develops and deepens and endures, look for the nodes to be at work.

Their north node conjunct your mercury: Empowers your dynamic thought processes, imagination and ability to communicate your future with others and with yourself. Usually remains at least a good friendship far into the future.
Their south node conjunct your mercury: Indicates a karmic friendship or sibling relationship in the past. Can restructure your view of your own past and creative processes.

When the north node falls on the Venus of one person, it shows benefit to both. When the south node falls on Venus, it shows the Venus person does a lot of giving. The node person has to work hard to match it, or the relationship gets lopsided quickly.

Their north node conjunct your Venus: Gears you towards love in some manner and can turn into a very long term union. Love will always be the most important facet of this friendship even if that remains unspoken. Good for channeling your artistic abilities as well.

Their south node conjunct your Venus: This was undoubtedly a lover in your past and will bring forward subconscious and soul based memories of that. If strong future ties occur it will help you understand what course the relationship will take this time. Often means you are learning about living thru different types of relationships with a beloved friend.

Their north node conjunct your mars: This is about relighting your drive and propulsion in terms of attaining your future. Tends to be a dynamic, motivating and driving relationship. If you've been apathetic or lazy about moving forward this should inspire you. not always an easy relationship but it empowers you in one way or the other.
Their south node conjunct your mars: This usually comes into play between old karmic friends and its about learning to reorganize and/or hold back on your inner drives. It's a controlling influence and therefore not necessarily a comfortable one.

Their Saturn falls on your north node gives you good advice and will be a help to you at some important time in your life. These are excellent contacts between you and someone who serves your needs-a nurse, a financial advisor, a lawyer, or the like.

Saturn to the south node is a practically unbreakable tie in this life. It shows some important lessons will be learned through the relationship and it will bring heavy obligation at some point.



http://www.nodeorama.com/viewtopic.php?id=3101

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posted July 12, 2009 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
LOL Lara - jinx.

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posted July 12, 2009 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Try cafeastrology.com as well. There's a few sections that look at specific Node and planet aspects, as well as a general overview.

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Lara
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posted July 12, 2009 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL PA

NN aspects scare me now.
My ex and i had:
my NN conjunct his sun (3)
my NN conjunct his saturn (2)
my NN conjunct his NN (0)
his NN conjunct my moon (0)
his NN conjunct my venus (2)
his NN conjunct my saturn (0)
and i was so drawn to him and then he became so controlling. It became hell and all those damn NN aspects were so binding!

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posted July 12, 2009 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Lara

That Saturn-NN dw is a whizz banger - as we say. Hooley dooley! Saturn-Nodes are ties that bind - but a dw - whoa!

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Amphitrite
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posted July 12, 2009 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lara and PeaceAngel. I will have a read of those articles and threads.

When I first met him I felt instantly drawn to him and I really wasn't exactly sure why. But I felt like I needed to be around him. Then we started to get to know each other and we got along really well and started to work closely together. But more recently it seemed he just closed himself off and distanced himself. I really don't know why, and when I asked him he pretended as if everything was ok. But something had clearly changed. So I thought that it was better for me to distance myself from him. But when I started to do that he changed again and started wanting to hang out again. It just seems like a continuous push pull. Its now starting to just feel uncomfortable for me. But when he asks me to do something I cant say no, even though I might want to and I know its probably better for me if I do. Bah. I really donít know what lessons Iím supposed to be learning. It really is spinning my brain out.

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Amphitrite
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posted July 12, 2009 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
I actually meant its probably better for me if I DONT hang out with him outside of work.

sorry.. typo

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 12, 2009 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
You made me think of the way I do things when you said this:

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I really donít know what lessons Iím supposed to be learning. It really is spinning my brain out.

It's like working it out - and then doing it - makes it all go away. Unfortunately, it never works that way. I know! I have the scars too. Sometimes it's best just to step back and let it unfold in it's own way - and just trust that it's all working out in your favour. That's my experience with these things.

You'll know what to do and what is right for you - whether socialising or not outside of work. Trust yourself - that you can handle this.

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Amphitrite
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posted July 12, 2009 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
I wish it would go away, PeaceAngel

At first I thought I was lucky that this person is in my life. I felt happy and it was just good. I couldn't get enough of him around me. But now, I feel uncomfortable but I still need to be around him, but I know its not good for me so I try not to be. I feel like he holds alot back from me and I don't really think I trust him as such.

So I was wondering if anybody could maybe shed some light on what his sun/moon/mercury conjunct my NN in my 12th house and in his 11th house cancer may mean?

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posted July 12, 2009 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Like you I have NN in natal 12th house. My experience with that is it means moving away from the old thinking patterns of the 6th house Virgo and more into the letting go and letting God or faith/trust idea. Which is excruciating. It's hard when you're used to overanalysing everything and trying to get it in some kind of order in yourself so you can have some peace and resolution.

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posted July 12, 2009 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message
PeaceAngel

Would this mean in my case where my 6th house is in capricorn that I should be letting go and not try to be so controlling of the situation and go with the flow?

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posted July 12, 2009 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I think so - and also learn to trust yourself - and your instincts/feelings. Cancer North Node in 12th house will give you strong intuition/feelings.

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Lucia23
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posted July 12, 2009 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
One issue with Node conjunctions is that people the same age will often have a NN-NN conjunction...I had a (complicated, intense) relationship with a guy two months older than me for a while--and we have NN-NN, Jupiter-Jupiter, Chiron-Chiron, Saturn-Saturn conjunctions as well as Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.

In his intro/guidelines to his Soul Mate calculator, IQ mentions that the calculator may be invalidated for people that close in age.

It's true that people very close in age share certain life experiences that may make their relationship more gluey...but if you're trying to understand that type of relationship, I suggest looking mostly at very tight, 0-1 degree aspects.

With Nodal aspects, use an orb of 0-1 degree UNLESS there's a DW when you widen the orb. Lara, for instance, would want to look at the two really tight aspects--Moon-NN and Saturn-NN...and then note that there is a wider-orbed double whammy balancing out that (heavy, karmic) NN-Saturn connection.

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posted July 12, 2009 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I know PA - crazy huh? One can have TOO much saturn and NN connections and boy oh boy was it karmic :S

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posted July 12, 2009 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.redrockastrology.com/articles/nodesinsynastry.html

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Lucia23
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posted July 12, 2009 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Hmm, that node article is really interesting...based on that, a NN-SN conjunction (which I thought was what was causing me to have an intense, lesson-oriented, karmic feeling about someone) probably would not be significant at all, because there's no planetary energy there.

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posted July 13, 2009 12:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I have a lot of NN connections with someone.

His NN trine my mars -- 8 mins
His NN trine my jupiter -- 1*
His NN opposite my Pluto -- 42 minutes


My NN opp his moon
My NN sextile his venus -- 22 mins


I guess a lot of these are generational, but we had a weird bondy type of relationship. We also fought a lot!

We have a lot of other contacts too, even with orbs reduced to 55%. A lot of pluto - 13 aspects with 55% orb. I am the pluto person, racking up nine of them, haha.

Edit: I don't know why I am laughing, because I was the one who got hurt the most. I guess that is WHY I am laughing. Perverse pluto...

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posted July 13, 2009 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
In that article, Denise suggests that only conjunctions/oppositions are significant with nodes...squares may be felt to a much lesser degree...any other aspects with nodes are irrelevent and not worth looking at.

I'm not sure that's agreed on by all astrologers...but it is an interesting argument to read.

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posted July 13, 2009 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
what she mentioned about squares surprised me since it rang true for me, just wish she wouldve elaborated a bit more ~ i like a ton of examples. i do think it's signifiant when there's a nn/sn conj but more to the point of working at cross purposes perhaps, one is familiar with what one is aiming toward - i think there's a bond but also a potential to be stagnant, i'll have to think about it some more.

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posted July 13, 2009 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I have felt the NN-SN conjunction as a deep learning-oriented influence--by watching him, I've learned certain skills that have started to transform me. To me it seems profound. Then again we also have my Jupiter square his NN, his Jupiter conjunct my NN, so that could account for the feeling.

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posted July 13, 2009 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
that makes complete sense, even discounting the jupiter aspects

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