posted July 18, 2009 08:51 AM         

But what I can not get a hold of is conciousness. The term "unconcious" came from somewhere, when we begin the act of dying, we loose conciousness and the physical body takes a bit of time to shut down.

But conciousness is what gives us true life, true human experience.

I do not believe anybody has addressed possible contact with the dearly departed.

I used to believe in an afterlife of sorts. I have experienced what I would call the energy of people passed, but it is so intangible, so un-earthly, I just do not feel it is their past human conciousness making contact with us.

Mediums are impressive! To say the least. But I wonder if all they are doing is connecting with the subconciousness of the loved one here.

Our mind is a strange and mystical thing. I think we can put away "memoires" bits and pieces of energy and store it in our brains and forget about it. Maybe gifted "mediums" are able to link into the stored energies of our brains.

I used to see an energy in my house. A femanine energy, but she was never incarnate, I never felt she had ever experienced human form. Maybe even a projection of my own mind or one of my daughters.

Now to trip me up even further, my bfriend had a NDE. He suffered a massive heart attack years ago and while in surgery, he reports he floated out of his body and watched men working on traffic lights in front of the hospital. This was later confirmed.

But he was not dead, just a suspended realm of conciousness. Was his human conciousness able to take flight and detach from the body temporarily?

He is Buddhist and holds similar thoughts like mine, we just cease to be. But we have a pact of sorts, IF we can, when the first of us dies, we will make contact with the other on the way out...there.....

Because I so believe that somehow, conciousness never ceases to be, maybe just changes form as we slowly loose our personalities when the physical act of death ensues.

But all in all it does not matter, when we go, we go and comfort in knowing what death holds is a human thing, and I am just as human as anybody else here! I wanna know...but I am quite setteled in knowing I will never know, until it is not an issue anymore...how ironic!

posted July 18, 2009 01:31 PM         

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When someone dies his consciousness (or spirit) leaves the body. But the body does not die right away because it -- or its individual cells collectively – still has some sort of biological "consciousness" of its own containing a program that oversees the process of natural decomposition (we can say that the body converts its energy to other forms). There are some people who can dispose of the body in other ways or convert it into other forms instantly, but those are not average humans like us, so let’s not talk about them.

After death the consciousness can come back provided that the body is still in good working condition.

While the consciousness is out of the body it goes someplace to do a bit of "processing". In this holding place the person has to make a decision on the next step that he would like to take: does he want to come back as himself (results in an NDE), or as another person (reincarnate as a new baby), or as himself in another time or place (remember that past, present, future are happening simultaneously, meaning we can choose exactly where we want to appear next), or does he want to go on to other "adventures" that doesn't take place on this planet. The possibilities are endless. This is the time when scenes from the immediately preceding life flashes before him, because he needs to take stock of what he has accomplished or not accomplished based on the plan that he had when he came to earth.

In case of a coma, my opinion is that we should seek the decision of body’s owner whether or not he wants us to keep on preserving his physical “container”.

Most of us get shocked after we die because we find ourselves in an experience that is totally different from our physical experience. We don't know what to do. Spirits who are not yet aware that they are dead hover around the physical body, usually trying to come back. Some of them are stubborn (can you tell which sun signs? LOL) and take ages before they eventually cross over.

Btw, some spiritual traditions recommend that we get acquainted with the experience of not being in a physical body so that death won't come as a shock to us. Here is where meditation, lucid dreaming, OOB and similar stuff come in handy.

No death is untimely, not even death in an accident. The soul knows exactly the right time to go. It is possible to go in an instant without causing the body to go thru terminal illness or having a violent death. The person only needs to make a decision. But information on how to do this effectively without committing suicide is not widely known. (I can’t recall right now the name of the cultural group to whom dying is as simple as deciding to migrate to another country with no plans of coming back).

We have to understand that the brain is not our consciousness nor is it our mind, the brain is only a physical tool that helps us navigate in and make sense of our physical world. Memory is not localized in the brain, if it was then all the person's memories would be gone totally when the physical brain has completely decomposed or if it was severely damaged.

Memories are filed away in each cell of the body (this explains why organ transplant recipients sometimes exhibit characteristics of the donor), but they are also at the same time carried by the consciousness, which can retrieve them anytime and anywhere it wants (past life memories ring a bell?). We don't remember all of our past lives (unless deliberately sought in regression, for example) because if we did we would become crazy with all the information. We need to block them out and maybe get glimpses in dreams or in other altered states only when we need information that could help us deal with our present challenges.

Re: mediums. Being a medium, like any psychic skill, is something that we all can do, we only need to open up more to the idea. Communicating with the dead requires being able to connect with them in the right frequency. Information past, present and future are readily accessible if we learn to tune in to them. In light of that, we can say that it is impossible to keep secrets; everything is out in the open. Scary huh? Your neighbor can accidentally “download” a packet of information about you direct from space or receive it from a long dead relative of yours. Now he knows something about you that you’ve never told a single soul. The good thing is the neighbor doesn’t believe he has this special skill and writes off the experience as an unexplainable dream.

We don't lose people to death. Relationships are eternal, meaning once we connected with someone the link is forever there. You may not meet your great love from 1,000 B.C. in your present incarnation because they decided to travel a different route for thousands of years (in earth time). But it's possible that you will meet them in the next one, because in the place they incarnated 4,000 thousand years is equivalent to only a century in earth years. It's also possible they are here and decided to explore a different relationship with you and came as your child... or your best friend. Or they could have come as your abusive parent. But this doesn't mean that you won't find love, maybe they will come in another form (like a pet? Nyah!) or another past life lover will come along.

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Argh, I still have a lot more to add, but this is getting too long already and we haven’t touched some other important concepts yet. And I’m not sure if people are reading anyway or if they can relate at all. LOL. Maybe I’ll do another post later. Let’s see. (Excuse the grammatical errors please, too lazy to re-read and edit.)

posted July 19, 2009 01:57 AM         

I went through a phase where I was obsessesd with near death experiences, it started with Betty Eadie's 'Embrased by the Light' and just moved forward from there. but I read her book in about and hour and a half. I could not put it down. I shared it with everyone I knew, and everyone who read it was changed by it. I bought 3 copies of that book because it kept getting lost on me, friends lending it to freinds who lent it to freinds, etc... but that was cool with me. I wanted it to get around.

After all that reading, not just Betty Eedie's book, but others as well (Damon Brinkley is another name who comes to mind) I realize that this life is the one that is not real. This life is nothing more than a testing ground, or a learning place, like school is not real life, but a very good place to learn. The real world is more magical and complex than we can even imagine as mere students, but we should at least get an idea of what it's all about while here.
Points to remember:
Love doesn't die. You take it with you.
Your misdeeds are pointed out to you, and you are forced to see how they impacted everyone.
Your emotions are powerful and create reality. Your thoughts control your emotions.
You may have unfinished business to work out from past lives with current friends/family/associates, but this is not that common because usually one or the other person decides to just let it go. If not, whatever happened, well it must have been pretty big. The soul is not petty.

posted July 19, 2009 02:12 AM         

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it's my biggest fear that someone I love will die, I have always feared it, always

I think I am not scared of my own death, I wanted to die (better to say was tempted to die)too many times and that has nothing to do with me being brave, I believe ... seems I am just too scared to live

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I feel the same way ~ I am scared of losing somebody close to me, and don't want to think of it, even though I know it will happen eventually, and I believe in an afterlife and reincarnation.

An older family member of mine (now deceased), was an atheist until he died on the operating table, for a period of time. He told my mother that he came out of anesthesia wanting to fight whoever had brought him back, because wherever he was going, it felt wonderful. He was happy to go.

When I was working through a book last November (with a group), one exercise was to spend the day thinking about your death - how you might go, really getting into it... I couldn't do it. It felt like tempting fate, to me, and I wasn't ready to go; on the other hand, the author thought that this type of work helped to heal her of cancer, because she embraced it, instead of living in fear and anger (from what I remember - the author was Denise Linn).

I haven't seen anything spirit-wise, since I was small (when I thought I saw an angel, on two separate occasions). I love to hear of people's experiences, and used to read ghost stories - true, or not - but I've never wanted to see spirits for myself. My sister has seen them, but it seems she shut off the ability (she's a 12th house Pisces moon). My mother last saw a spirit four years ago - that of an Uncle of mine. I'd had an odd experience a few hours before that, that spooked me...