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Topic: Aspects and athletic ability
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downtomars Knowflake Posts: 1428 From: NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 03:35 PM
I was looking at my cousin’s chart and I noticed that we both have Mars in the 5th, mine in Gemini and hers in Taurus. We are both very competitive but we are not “the best” athletes. I know other people who are enthusiastic about playing sports but they aren’t necessarily good so it made me wonder about this.What aspects would give outstanding athletic ability? IP: Logged |
amowls* Newflake Posts: From: Registered:
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posted July 21, 2009 03:55 PM
I have good hand-eye coordination and balance but no drive. I find sports to be terribly boring so I was never really athletic.I did ballet when I was younger. I have Mars in Sag in the 6th with a mutual reception to Jupiter in Aries in the 11th. You would assume that would translate into high athletic drive/ability but it just never interested me. IP: Logged |
nove731 Knowflake Posts: 324 From: NYC Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 03:56 PM
I have Mars in the 5th, also, but in Aquarius.I'm not really athletic in the sense of sports, but I used to be a dancer (ballet, modern, jazz, etc). I'm not really competitive at all, though, so that was definitely a deciding factor to not pursue dance when college rolled around, lol. Haha, I don't even like sports! As far as athletic ability...I'm not sure. If I didn't have Mars in 5th, I would probably assume that placement would be a good indicator, but I guess not. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Knowflake Posts: 2196 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 04:22 PM
A Mars that's dignified coupled with Saturn in a Mars/Pluto House. Maybe... Some Jupiter/Saturn aspect for discipline. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 712 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted July 21, 2009 04:30 PM
I have Mars in Virgo in the 8th. Not athletic, although I had some natural dance and gymnastic skill as a kid (I am freakishly flexible)...very competitive, but not about anything physical...I go lots of yoga, and love hiking, walking, dancing for fun.I think Aries might be as/more important than Mars in terms of causing athleticism. Aries Sun, Aries Rising, etc.... IP: Logged |
savanna20 Knowflake Posts: 224 From: ca Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 04:45 PM
I have Mars in Capricorn in the 5th house, sextiling my Mercury and Venus in the 3rd in Sagittarius. I love working out. Have been since childhood. I'm training for a half marathon by the end of the year. I'm hecka competitive in sports! IP: Logged |
Kamots Knowflake Posts: 54 From: Cascais, Portugal Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 04:52 PM
I've studied the chart of some great athletes, especially mixed martial artists, and most of them show Mars in a tense aspect to Saturn or Uranus/Neptune/Pluto. The inner struggle reflected by the blocked Mars energy (which in turn is directly connected to the masculine ego) can be recreated by dedication to a sport, in which you work hard everyday to try to achieve more and always feel limited by what you can't do (yet). Working your a** off everyday generates a similar feeling to those tense aspects.The same can be applied to areas other than sports. Tense Mars aspects in the natal chart make many people fight against their inner feeling of "impotence" or "not being good enough", by doing, acting and achieving as much as possible (overcompensation). Of course, the exact opposite can be found. Some people with these aspects will run away from situations that make them feel uncapable and not fight for anything at all. Personally, I have Mars in Pisces square Neptune, 12th house. I've always aimed too high at everything I wanted to do and be and obviously felt really far from my ideal most of the times. Result, I either slacked off and didn't try or I work like a beast obsessively and ended up doing unbelievable things. Deep down, no matter what, I've always felt i was worthless. And it kept me going till now. This happened both in my sports life and in my personal and professional (psychotherapist) lives. I used to train martial arts daily at a high level, get beaten up badly sometimes (we had 3 vs 1 sparring sessions), exhausted, injured and came back the next day for more. As to sports ABILITY, I think it depends partially on dedication and persistence (which we've covered so far), but also on talent and creativity (which can be found elsewhere in a chart). And of course, on life/health habits. IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner unregistered
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posted July 21, 2009 04:56 PM
i am highly competitive. i can make anything a contest and i never give up, until i win. i can run like the wind (in my mind) my mars is libra 6th house. but my leo stella and my taurus asc i think has more to do with it. if someone is beating me at something, i grit my teeth and try harder and they will quit before i give up. i like to win. i even like to beat little kids at games. if the team loses and i played good, i am still happy. if the team wins and i played horrible, i have to shake it off. (didnt you see the score we won) (but i missed that easy catch and looked stupid and blew the third inning, kicking self all the way home.) i am in my mid 40's (almost) and stillplay baseball, basketball, golf, football, and likei said, i can make a contest out of everyday anything, like: lets name songs with colors in them, the first person that cant come up with one loses the game. or you drive that way, i will drive this way and see who gets home first. actually, my mars libra has done me injustice. scattered energy, now i am more focused than ever in my life and with focus and determination you can do anything you set your mind to. creative persuits included. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:20 PM
I had great speed,quick reflexes. I was very good swimmer since the age of 3 years old. Despite all that, I am very clumsy and have problems with balance and coordination...especially with problems with eye tracking/coordination even though I can see the whole entire field at once,rapidly scanning. ...so even though I was very fast runner with the speed to be a wide receiver, I couldn't catch well. I would have been better off as a defensive back. I was very unpredictable and inconsistent when it came to athletics,sports. Academic problems and control issues with my parents factored into my not being involved in football and track. After learning about having to shave my body, I didn't want to be a competitive swimmer. MY chart ruler Mercury is conjunct heliocentric South Mercury Node (Maximum Effectiveness) and heliocentric South Mars Node in Scorpio in 3rd house. My Mars is in Aquarius in 6th house squaring Venus in Scorpio in 3rd and squaring Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd might indicate issues with coordination with 3rd house having to do with mental processes and dexterity. My Uranus (unaspected) conjuncts Mercury/Ascendant midpoint is an indicator for being quick. I also have Sun semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint and Uranus semisquare Moon/Mars midpoint. I even have Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint. Those can be indicators for not only my issues with impulsiveness but also quick reactions and explosiveness. They are strongly connected. Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
aquarian/scorpio Knowflake Posts: 261 From: Middle Earth Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:26 PM
I'm very competative and also love to win but i'm no sore loser. I do love to work out once i'm motivated and have noticed in the past that it does not take me long to strengthen/tone and to see/feel the results of physical activity. I have always found myself abnormally strong for my size, frame and my mother always told me since I started walking I was very strong considering. EDIT: Oh and im not a big lover of sports but I don't mind playing for fun Aries rising Mars in Aries inconjunct Pluto Saturn in the 8th Mars widely trine Saturn IP: Logged |
Quinnie Knowflake Posts: 1211 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:29 PM
I love to play sports and work out but I am not talented, just all heart....like most of the above replies I also have Mars in Sagittarius (2nd house) sextile Moon and Saturn.My sister on the other hand is gifted. She is an amazingly capable allrounder in sport and long distance running especially as she has such fitness and endurance. Currently runs for ten mile a day. She played Netball for her country also. I'm so proud of her but unfortunately she has battled with her self esteem and confidence and has never achieved her potential. If I sound like I'm braggin it's because I'm so proud of her. Anyway she has a Leo ascendant with her Sun in Capricorn (5th house) conjunct Mars in Capricorn (6th house) Trine Saturn. Her Mars squares Pluto. She just didn't get the sponsorship or support that she needed and it crushed her. Her Mercury and Neptune are also in Sagittarius (5th house) and Jupiter in Leo(12th house) conjunct ascendant. Glaucus my sister also had problems academically, she underachieved (even though she did well) because of undiagnosed dyslexia.... Perhaps one part of the brain maybe a synapse (linked to co-ordination) works extremely well but corsses wires with another synapse (linked to writing and spelling co-ordination) and created dyslexia. Jeez I have a hard time sticking to the one subject sometimes. IP: Logged |
vertiver Knowflake Posts: 2403 From: Portland, OR Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:33 PM
I probably would have been a great athlete had my Aries Mars been in a different house besides the 4th house. The reason I think this is true is because my Leo Sun is tightly trine my Aries Mars and my Sagittarius Asc. is also trine my Aries Mars and Leo Sun. I'm not a athlete because I like individual sports like track or something I can do by myself. I know two other Leos with Aries Mars as well and we all are very physically fit, were just not athletes. IP: Logged |
Nine Moderator Posts: 3635 From: The Cusp of Love Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:39 PM
As the action planet, Mars rules athletic ability. Mars does nothing it isn't direct to do by the ego. Still, Mars must be in it's "element" to get the job done properly.Dialogue. Ego: I want to win this race. Mars make me win this race. Mars: Yes sir. Mars in Aries (fire, cardinal, or air) jumps up and wins race. If mars is in water or earth sign, the race to the front of the line will be quite frustrating. Ever tried running in water or sand? You probably won't get there until Mars progresses into an Air or Fire sign...if the race is still going. IP: Logged |
downtomars Knowflake Posts: 1428 From: NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:42 PM
It is funny – I actually hated sports in school and I was such a gym class reject. It was really only because if I was not the best I did not want to even bother (Leo stellium, Mars Opp. Neptune). After high school I actually got into playing tennis, basketball and kicking around the soccer ball. I know I don’t have to be the best but it is still fun. I realized all this when Saturn was going through my 6th, I was determined to get really healthy at that point. I even got a degree in health sciences, with emphasis in nutrition. I found that I actually do like to walk and hike and I even do it to support different charities. I loved working out as well – especially Pilates - and was considering getting my personal trainer certification. I still might do that because I think it is important to have instructors with curvy, healthy bodies. It is one of those things I keep putting off though so who knows…I used my cousin (an Aries w/Sag rising) as a comparison because she played a sport every season and was super competitive in gym class but, even though she wasn’t the best, she was into the fun and camaraderie. I’m actually really surprised that I turned out this way because according to those old gym class standards I was subpar! ETA: Love that dialogue Nine!
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Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 2791 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 05:47 PM
My mars is dignified in aries and is also square uranus/saturn. I used to love playing aports when I was younger and I almost mastered one too, but then I dropped it in high school in favor of spending time chasing boys with my friends. =__=IP: Logged |
braveheart Knowflake Posts: 132 From: sydney, nsw, oz Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 06:51 PM
I have Mars in Gemini in 5th house. Also I think my Aries Moon helps. I love sports and have been playing since public school. I'm very good at all sports, especially netball and touch football. I'm competitive, I'm out there to win and I can't stand playing with people who are only there for fun. I would be described as aggressive when playing. And I don't let anyone stand over me. I've got good hand-to-eye coordination, quick reflexes,and I am flexible. I was super fast when younger, not so much now. This is the first season of netball I haven't played in years, and I miss it. So I'm going to play indoor over summer. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 10:19 PM
"Glaucus my sister also had problems academically, she underachieved (even though she did well) because of undiagnosed dyslexia.... Perhaps one part of the brain maybe a synapse (linked to co-ordination) works extremely well but corsses wires with another synapse (linked to writing and spelling co-ordination) and created dyslexia."I don't know There are lot of people with Dyslexia that have Dyspraxia too, and so there are Dyslexics that have coordination issues. The same issues with eye tracking/coordination gave me difficulty with reading and not just sports that require hand-eye coordination. The visual overloading when reading is also connected to my ability to see everything on the field all at once,rapid scanning. Dr. Levinson believes that Dyslexics have clumsy eyes, and that's why he uses a 3D optokinetic scanner to test for Dyslexia. They will tend to have abnormal blurring speeds. Electronystagmography is also used to check eye coordination/tracking issues. He used that on me,and my results were abnormal. Many Dyslexics are veryy good at sports,and that helps with their self esteem while they are having problems with academics. However, Dyslexics with Dyspraxia don't have that luck. They are the ones that can be seen as both dumb in both the classroom and on the playground/or in gym. If you're a boy,and you suck at sports,athletics, your gender tends to be questioned. Sports,athletics tend to be activities where you are supposed to express your manhood. I wonder if so-called "dumb jocks" are people with Dyslexia or ADHD.
I think Mercury, the planet named after the Messenger of Gods and known for his great speed,quickness..especially with his winged sandals, have to do with speed,quickness. I think that Uranus as a higher version of Mercury also has to do with speed,quickness. Mercury also has to do with coordination because it has to do with mental processes. Coordination and mental processes are strongly connected. Coordination is not just related to the muscular system. It's not about muscular activity. It is also about nervous activity. Coordination involves the brain sending messages to parts of the body to perform an action. That's called praxis aka planning. Mercury is said to be associated with fine motor skills too.
Some sports require excellent coordination some sports require great strength some sports require great stamina some sports require great speed
so there are many indicators for great ability in sports....it depends on the sport...as well as a position in certain sports
for instance, quarterback of the football team has to be a great leader,have great eye-hand coordination, think and process information quickly...especially learning the playbook,calling plays,reading defenses. Wide Receivers and Defensive Backs might have strong Mercury influences for speed,quickness...Uranus too, but also for the unpredictable stuff. Wide Receivers might also have a strong Neptune influence for being deceptive when they run patterns. They tend to trick the cornerbacks. They tried to fake them out. That also could fit with Uranus. Defensive backs can be unpredictable and deceptive. They might pretend to go along with a certain play, but then they do something completely different. Pluto can also be good for seeing through a disguised defense of offense. Mercury can be good for defensive player for being alert and paying attention to the quarterback like reading their eye movements....if the defensive back reads the quarterback's eyes then he can follow what the quarterback does and end up intercepting a pass. However some quarterbacks are crafty with eye movements and fool defensive players and then making the defensive players pay. a strong Mars nor Mars aspects are necessarily needed to be in certain sports.
Pluto also could be involved for willpower, intensity...especially with connections with Sun and Mars. so if somebody asked me what are good aspects for sports, I would just shrug and tell them that I just don't know. It's all relative.
Raymond
------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
Shankara Knowflake Posts: 290 From: Gainesville, FL Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2009 11:59 PM
I have Mars in Leo, conjunct Venus, square MC, trine Neptune and sextile Pluto. No Aries anywhere in my chart.In school I was a terrible athlete and hated gym class with a passion! Now I like exercising, I like yoga, hiking, walking, pilates. I dabble in running but I'm horrible at it and I always seem to hurt my hip when I do it so my motivation has not been high lately. Someday I'd like to to lessons in rock climbing, martial arts (I did tae kwon do for a little while and I loved it), golf, or tennis. I love watching mens tennis for some reason; I follow it quite a bit. OK, I'm going to go off on a tangent for a bit: "The same can be applied to areas other than sports. Tense Mars aspects in the natal chart make many people fight against their inner feeling of "impotence" or "not being good enough", by doing, acting and achieving as much as possible (overcompensation)." This is interesting, Kamots. I don't really have any hard aspects with Mars besides the square to my MC, which isn't really bad. A few months ago I got into running (well, about 3 miles 3x/week, which is not much but for me was a lot!), and I felt I was getting too focused on it at the expense of other things (I was always thinking about it and planning for it). I noticed the general consensus I saw in myself and in those on the running forums I visited seemed to be that doing longer, faster runs was very valuable, maybe even imperative. But then I started to wonder what exactaly made it so inherently worthwhile (and what makes anything inherently worthwhile), and also wondered why I felt so guilty when I missed a run? I realized it was some feeling of unworthiness that I was trying to atone for with running. I was trying to prove to myself and everyone else that "See! I'm not lazy and weak and unathletic!" It doesn't have to be in sports; people try to "justify their existence" or prove their worth with all sorts of endeavors that aren't inherently valuable (and what is, save spiritual realization?). These endeavors, once achieved, is often followed with the question of "What now?" Then they are left looking for their next mission. Not many people can truthfully say that they can be happy with themselves and their situations unconditionally. IP: Logged |
cooljen Knowflake Posts: 298 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2009 03:17 AM
I have a book 'The Twelve Faces of Saturn' by Bill Tierney and I remember reading something about athletic ability for Mars Square Saturn. I have Saturn Conjunct Pluto and my Mars squares them. Some of the statements made about Mars/Saturn aspects (particularly stressful ones) are: "Great inner fortitude is denoted" "Competition is not something we lightly engage in." "...if the over-achieving side of both planets is operating, then Saturn/Mars comes on like a bulldozer, trying to flatten any and all opposing forces." "I would imagine many Olympic athletes have Saturn/Mars or other Saturn/Principle One themes in their charts." "Any Saturn/Mars aspect means we can work long and hard on a project or job...These planets are not good at relaxing or taking it easy - their driven natures make them push too intensely. We can accomplish a lot with Saturn/Mars aspects..." I have always been pretty athletic. I'm very competitive and once I have a goal in mind I can be very determined. I was a competitive gymnast who dreamed of the Olympics. I didnt get that far, I ended up stopping when I went to college because of circumstances, but I did very well. Gymnastics is an extremely demanding sport both physically and mentally. That may be hard to see as a spectator because what you are seeing is the finished result of tons of training. I was very competitive and serious about my training, I had tons of fun too, as I loved it. The sport is still a passion of mine. I haven't been to gym in a long time but I still regularly do conditioning and some basic gymnastics stuff. Anyway, that shows a little, how those aspects have played out for me. ------------------ Leo with Scorpio Rising & Moon in Taurus. IP: Logged |
Quinnie Knowflake Posts: 1211 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2009 08:08 AM
Glaucus I totally agree with you regarding the diversity of aspects showing talent or expression in a certain area. I have noticed for example how Mars in Gemini people are good at tennis (using the hands) and/or guitar and probably other instruments.... Combine that aspect with mars square Pluto and you probably a person extremely dedicated to that talent.Regarding your dispraxia and dyslexia... thats another reason why the education system needs a makeover (to say the least) So many social issues (like bullying) occur because of biological and neurological conditions. We are all wired differently and that should be taught throughout school at both social and academic levels. IP: Logged |
evander Knowflake Posts: 171 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2009 09:35 AM
I love sports! And I am among the most competitive people definitely. It's not something that was caused by something it's just my nature. Note that Sabian of my True Node is : A Jockey Spurs His Horse, Intent On Outdistancing His Rivals My mother hates that about me, but I can't help it but care so much about wining. Aries Mars in 12H, Aries AC Sun trine Mars oh and a ball has to be involved in a sport if i'm gonna like it. i hate long distance running... sports where you can't see the white in the opponents eye because he's that far... ------------------ if you want to see my chart paste: i41.tinypic.com/29z8u2w.gif in the adress bar of your internet browser IP: Logged |
Just Mia Knowflake Posts: 211 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2009 02:28 PM
I think Venus and Mars in Aries rules athletes or athletic ability..I have MArs in ARies and I have always been athletic even at the age I am now..I remember playing baseball at the age of 10,12 better the the boys on my block..I have played football and my first love is basketball..Well but then femininty set in and my Pisces Sign began to over shadow my masculine planets and I wanted to be a pom,pom girl and where dreses and stuff.. But I still shoot ball here and there and kickbox and run and all that stuff.. I am sure if I had of stuck with basketball I would have had a scholarship to college and hell I am gonna dream big perhaps hit the WNBA as well.. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 5819 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2009 04:23 PM
You must have very good coordination, Mia.coordination seems to be important in all sports my exgf has Sun conjunct Mercury in Aries in 1st as well as Mars in Aries in 1st oppose Pluto in Libra in 7th. She played soccer as a kid, but she wasn't into any other sports. She's really not that athletic.
I wonder if there are other things involved like genetics, the way a person is built...etc. Raymond ------------------ “It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. “She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1 IP: Logged |
Agent Prinz Newflake Posts: 12 From: Registered: Oct 2018
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posted March 15, 2019 01:20 PM
I found that most top athletes have lots of Mars energy placed in the fire signs, Cap, and even Cancer. Also found that more than one aspect between Mars, Venus, Sun, and Pluto be it major, minor, harmonious, and strenuousness were present. I used both tropical and heliocentric charts.I myself have Mars conjunct and parallel Venus in Cap, Sun conjunct Pluto in Sag, and Mars semi-square Pluto. So, in my first year of joining track, I was ranked the third best in shot put in my HS district behind my more experienced friends in the same school. Do we have any other athletes here on Linda? IP: Logged |
Aqualilith09 Knowflake Posts: 245 From: Registered: Feb 2015
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posted March 15, 2019 01:38 PM
Libra Sun square cancer mars, mars quincunx Saturn, mars oppose uranus/neptune, mars quincunx asc and a wide trine to pluto. I'm not into sports. I love working out and serve in the military and always scored above most ppl in my unit. I also just got into boxing and will continue it until i master it so I can kick some ass lol IP: Logged | |