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downtomars
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posted August 09, 2009 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes I can be skeptical about name asteroids and their meaning but then this happened:

I put in the names of my family members and one in particular stood out. My brother’s name. My brother and I are very close in age (3 years apart) and my brother is developmentally disabled. Something that I have been thinking about lately is how when my mother passes (a long. long time from now) away he will be under my care (part of the reason for my career worries). His name falls into my 8th house. Saturn is also in my 8th house but it does not conjunct my brother’s name. My bro’s name is also semi-sextile my Moon. So, I looked in his chart to see where my name fell and it is in his 2nd house (support), opp his name in my 8th house by 2 degrees.

I have read lots of scary things about Saturn in the 8th and it has been about “issues with inheritances” and I have been told that this aspect indicates a “yoke around the neck” re: inheritance.

I don’t consider it a “burden” in any way but I will inherit (8th house) responsibility (Saturn) for his care some day. So for me, there is nothing to fear about having Saturn in the 8th. This is the type of thing that makes me think that name asteroids are really worth looking into, I am coming around!

Do the name asteroids in your chart make sense?

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posted August 09, 2009 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milyi     Edit/Delete Message
There are two asteroids with my name , one is conjunct north node one is conjunct the south node in my chart. One is conjunct my mother's Chiron,my grandparents' Pluto, my uncle's Sun, my father's Neptune my brother's north node and my ex-boyfriend's Moon. So even though I'm not a big believer in name asteroids either it does make me wonder.

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milyi
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posted August 09, 2009 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milyi     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry double post.

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Glaucus
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posted August 09, 2009 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I have been a believer and user of Name Asteroid Astrology since 2000.

When I read Jacob Schwartz' work, it confirmed what I was doing. His stuff is very fascinating.

They do make a lot of sense.

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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MsCandeh
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posted August 09, 2009 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
I'd love to find out ... but I don't seem to have a name asteroid

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Glaucus
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posted August 09, 2009 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
name asteroid nodes work too.

you can calculate nodes of many objects here http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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Glaucus
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posted August 09, 2009 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I'd love to find out ... but I don't seem to have a name asteroid"

what about asteroids that have similar spelling,sound?

they don't have to be exact


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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LanaofAugust
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posted August 09, 2009 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LanaofAugust     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I do believe so.

The last one I tested was with my sister's chart and the name of her adopted son. No surprise that his name (given by his biological mother 2 years before he came into my sister's life) conjuncts her Sun :-)

I've mostly played with synastry (not just romantic), but I've also tried some country names and they seem to fit in too.

Some Knowflakes have also reported that there has been a connection between some "trivial" incidents and name asteroids (parking ticket, your favorite record etc.).

~ Lana

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MsCandeh
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posted August 09, 2009 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks again Raymond I'll go and have a search now

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MsCandeh
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posted August 09, 2009 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
There was a few I could have chosen from but I chose an Italian sounding one, since I am half I-talian and could relate to that one the most

I also entered my mum, dad, brother and the guy I keep talking about that I am having trouble with lol ... (for ease of reference he will be known as "B")

So here are my findings:
My natal chart:
My name sextiles B's and my bro's conjunct name asteroids in the 7th and 8th (bro in 7th, B in 8th)
My mum's name asteroid is conjunct my Neptune and Anti-Vertex in the 11th. Semisquares my name exact.
My dad's name asteroid is conjunct my ASC by 2 degrees! (1st house)

Synastry:
My name asteroid in my chart conjuncts B's Juno, sextiles his Vertex, squares his Saturn.
B's name asteroid in my chart sextiles his Juno, trines his Vertex.
My name asteroid in B's chart conjuncts my Juno and Vertex, trines Pluto, opposes Neptune.
B's name asteroid in B's chart trines my NN.

phew! lol

My dad and brother's names are conjunct in my mum's chart! My name squares her moon, my dad's name squares her name.. And in my brother's chart my mum's name is conjunct his NN (makes sense), my name is square his Vertex and my name squares my dad's name....
and in my dad's chart my brother's name is conjunct his NN... my name squares his name, mum's doesn't do anything.

Well, there's our family dynamics right there hahaha



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Glaucus
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posted August 09, 2009 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Impressive!
Very Impressive!


Asteroid Astrology rocks!

pun intended

hahahahaha

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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MsCandeh
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posted August 09, 2009 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
What is even more amazing is that I plonked my brother's long-term GFs name into his chart.

Her name opposes my name.
Our names square his Vertex.
Our names square my dad's name.

Her name is in his 4th
My name is in his 10th
Dad's name is in his 2nd

That makes sense, except I don't know how I impact his career lol ... mum's in his 10th house too... the other two make sense tho XD

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MsCandeh
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posted August 09, 2009 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
yep it does rock and seems to be amazingly accurate XP

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Alvarella777
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posted August 09, 2009 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I definitely work with name-asteroids a lot! At first I thought this was a silly idea ... but it turned out (for me), that - miraculously - they work! With transits as well - and intriguingly accurate with Synastries!

I'll list a few placements in my natal chart - only conjunctions and oppositions (tight orbs 0-3 dg):

My OWN name (in Libra, 11th house)
- cj. Jupiter (I always had friends & acquaintances from all walks of life, Jup./11th - and I tend to "profit" or be supported from those people often, in several ways...)
- cj. Cupido (Cupido said to be about "self-love", mainly)
- exactly cj. ASC/MC-Midpoint (<my "outer persona")
- oppos. my Part of Fortune in 5th (I'm striving to make the most out of myself and be the best, haha)
- oppos. my Part of Chaos (... but I don't always succeed...)

My MUM's name (in Libra, 10th)
- cj. my Sun/Moon-Midpoint (well, this is SO obvious, isn't it?)
- cj. my Moon/Mars-Midpoint (again: obvious! "She made me who I am")
- opposing my Chiron (obvious as well ... but too private to discuss that here in detail)
- opposing my Part of Discovery (in fact, Chiron & Discovery are linked in my chart - and through my mother's personal history and the conflicts we have/had, I am learning & understanding a lot about life, self-worth etc.)

My DAD's name (in Libra in 10th)
- cj. Philosophia (exact)
- cj. Apollon ("fine arts"
- cj. Industria
- cj. Part of Ability
- cj. Mars/ASC
- cj. Mercury/ASC
- cj. Venus/Jupiter
- oppos. Academia
- oppos. my "Spiegel" ("mirror")
- oppos. my Node/Fortuna
>>> all of these conjunctions can be summed up as: He was the most "intellectual", sensitive and well read person in my family - supported me and spurred me on to work with my brains! Sent me to very good schools, supported my studies at University, wants me to succeed and is very proud of my intellectual/artistic achievements

My BROTHER's name (in Pisces in 4th)
- exactly cj. my Sun/ASC (<this is a bit weird ... cannot interpret this. We're 7 years apart - and we share the same Ascendant, my brother and me, btw.)
- exactly cj. my Bohemia
- oppos. my Pluto
- opp. my Part of Fate
- opp. my Part of Excentricity
- opp. my Part of Constancy
(Well, my brother is some kind of "black sheep" in our family - a very sensitive young man, with a very penetrating mind, but also quite helpless as far as practical matters go, he quit school he quit university, he's been unemployed for a very long time and has a severe drugs- and alcohol-problem - so, somehow, he's the antidote to my Pluto, which is located in my 10th and cj. my MC - indeed, I am quite ambitious and succesful most of the time - but my brother's name is linked to my Parts of "Bohemia" and "Excentricity" ... putting a spotlight on these factors, which I tend to neglect in my life, maybe. In fact: We like and understand each other well, my brother and me. We often talk about our contradictory "roles" in our family setting: me, the "succesful" daugther - him the "loser"... We make jokes on that!)

My 1st serious BOYFRIEND's name (in Pisces in 4th)
- exactly cj. North Node (!)
- exactly cj. Part of "Realization of Needs"
- exactly oppos. Venus
- oppos. Anacreon
- oppos. Helena
- oppos. Sensitivity
- oppos. Mercury/Jupiter
- oppos. Vertex/Jupiter
To make it short: He was the first great love of my life, I met him when I turned 19, we stood together for 5 years - and I learned so much from him, he sort of "introduced" me to adult life and our relationship really, really opened my eyes for many things, it was intense and precious, and we still respect each other today

My last BAD BOYFRIEND's name (in Aquarius in 2nd)
It was an intense, exciting, but mainly horrible, hurtful and draining love story, lasting 2 years. He lied a lot and this is the only man ever I had to "give up on" in anger, because he's a helpless case of "childish mean-ness and mindgames". I guess, these links of his name to my chart tell all about this:
- cj. Lust
- cj. Abundantia
- cj. Part of Catastrophe
- exacty cj. Part of Illness/Accidents
- cj. Humptydumpty
- cj. Bonus
- cj. Neptune/Chiron
- oppos. Mercury
- oppos. Concordia

name of the TOWN I have just moved to(virgo in 9th)
In fact, I moved here half a year ago - due to a brilliant job offer - after several years of self-employment I am back into a big company again, my financial situation has improved enourmously, so did my personal situation, I definitely have grown up during these last 6 months, feel healthier and more self-secure than a long time before ... Here's the citie's name in my chart:
- exactly cj. Victoria
- cj. Venus
- cj. Zeus
- cj. Part of "Unusual Events"
- cj. Helena
- cj. Sun/Jupiter
- cj. Venus/Vesta
- oppos. North Node
- oppos. "Realization of Needs"
- oppos. Sunshine
- oppos. Angel
- oppos. Moon/Saturn
- oppos. Pallas/Node

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EighthMoon
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posted August 09, 2009 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
I have found it to be uncanny how relevant name asteroids are in all kinds of charts. Every significant relationship over the past few years...romantic or otherwise, has had the other person's name in some important position.

With my boyfriend, for example, his asteroid of his name conjuncts my asteroid of my name in synastry. My ast of his name is in my 7th and his ast of my name is in his 7th.

Name asteroids have never let me down...

8th

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Lara
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posted August 09, 2009 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes they do in mine

My Mum's name is bang on my DC conjunct my Father and my Surname.

My ex boyfriends name asteroid in my chart opposes my name asteroid in his chart.
My surname in his chart conjunct my sun exact.
His karma conjunct my name.
His name in my chart conjunct my DNA.
my name in his chart opposes my DNA.
lol

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Diana
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posted August 09, 2009 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I just looked some up because of this thread. The guy who contacted me out of the blue just had the solar eclipse on my name asteroid in his chart. My tName is tranisting his moon and my SN -- there's that SN/moon thing again. His tName is getting close to my MC -- MC again, what a surprise.

I have to go post this on my thread, because it's so interesting!

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Agent_009
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posted August 09, 2009 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Hi guys,

Glaucus, what if there's no asteroid with your name but rather few variations of your name....which would you decide to use??

Also, what does it mean if your name is exactly conjunct their venus in their chart...and their name is exact conj. your venus in your chart??

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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 09, 2009 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Agent is right. The closest thing to my name is Urania lol, even though my name doesn't begin with a 'U'

I'm always wondering which one to choose.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted August 09, 2009 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LOL, my 'name' asteroid conjuncts my Venus and Dsc. I am my own soul twin
I don't think anyone is going to be able to compete with that unfortunately LOL

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Glaucus
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posted August 09, 2009 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
just go with what you feel and that you can relate to

but why not use all the variations of the name and see where they fall in the chart? They might all have signficant aspects in your chart.

that's how I work with name asteroids.

asteroid nodes too....they are astronomically relevant, and so they are astrologically relevant.

astronomers record the nodes of objects other than the moon

if it wasn't for astronomers,we wouldn't be able to calculate these asteroids and use them in Astrology
that's the same for the outerplanets,kuiper transneptunians,centaurs,and deep space objects

Therefore,astronomy greatly factors into our Astrology

geocentric asteroid nodes move quickly
they return to their positions in about a year.
they relate to personal matters/karma

heliocentric asteroid nodes move up to 1 degree per century.
they relate to collective matters/karma


you can calculate them here http://www.true-node.com/pos/


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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MsCandeh
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posted August 10, 2009 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
lol MVM ... your only hope is finding a name asteroid that conjuncts yours :P

Oh I did some further research on name asteroids..

My location - where I was born and still live now - is exactly conjunct my Boda. So it seems I will get married here? lol
but these also square my Venus

My surname is conjunct my IC
My middle name (the closest asteroid to that is ANGEL - so a double meaning?) is conjunct my location/Boda conjunction within 4 degrees and is the only name asteroid aspecting my NN (sextile)
My name conjuncts my Saturn, opposes my Venus, opposes my Surname and conjuncts my MC! (Wow.. does this mean I have lots of issues or what? lol)

B's name trines my surname
B's name trines my Sun
B's name sextile my Mars
B's name sextile my MC/trine my IC
B's surname and my surname conjunct by 7 deg, but B's surname also squares my ASC.
B's surname conjunct my Sun
Our surnames oppose my Mars (3 deg each way)

My ex's name squares my Sun and conjuncts my ASC (makes sense)

B's chart:
my name sextiles his Venus, Mars (DW) and Chiron, trines his MC / sextiles IC (DW)
my surname squares his name, Saturn and trines Vertex.
my ex's name and my name are exact trine! (maybe this is why he thought something was going on when there wasn't!)

... I could go on.... but I will spare you all the pain XD

Makes you wonder though... how other people perceive your relationship with others.
EG...
My ex's name in my chart square my sun, conjuncts my ASC - so we are close/have an affinity, BUT he drives me nuts and I dont want to be in a relationship with him.
B on the other hand .. always thought there was something going on.. (which I only found out about recently he never said anything to me about it!) and our name asteroids are trined in his chart.

What do you think about that??

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Glaucus
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posted August 10, 2009 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Here are names asteroids in regard to my first name
position of asteroid
position of geocentric north asteroid node
position of geocentric south asteroid node
positions of heliocentric asteroid node axis


Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Geo North Rayhe Node in 6'05 Scorpio
Helio Rahne Nodes in 6'27 Scorpio/Taurus
Geo South Raimonda Node in 5'31 Sagittarius
Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R

Andraimon in 18'31 Aquarius
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo
Rayman in 13'10 Cancer
Geo North Andraimon Node in 13'37 Aries
Raimonda in 15'45 Virgo

Moon in 3'11 Pisces
Helio Rayman Nodes in 2'45 Virgo/Pisces

Venus in 21'47 Scorpio
Raymundto in 21'22 Virgo
Geo South Raymondavid in 22'02 Virgo
Helio Raymundto Nodes in 21'47 Sagittarius/Gemini
Geo North Raymondavid in 20'45 Aquarius

Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
Helio Raymondavid Nodes in 11'09 Pisces/Virgo

Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius
Geo North Raymundto Node in 7'20 Sagittarius

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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Glaucus
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posted August 10, 2009 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

ON ASTEROIDS, NODES AND NAMES

Students of astrology early on become familiar with the Nodes of the Moon but few bother themselves with the Nodes of the planets, far less the asteroids. Yet asteroidal Nodes do have relevance, sometimes even in a highly significant way. The Nodes are the points where the plane of the orbit of the asteroid cuts the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Viewed heliocentrically the Nodes form an axis where the North or Ascending Node is exactly opposite the South or Descending node.

As with the Lunar Nodes The North Node connects to ‘reception’, ‘uptake’ and ‘association’ whereas the South Node refers to the opposite qualities of ‘departure’, ‘release’ and dissociation. We tend to find receiving easier than releasing, which is why the North Node has a better press than the South Node. Clearly, any planet whether in the natal horoscope or by transit, which aspects one Node must also form a complimentary aspect to the other.

There is a group of asteroids called the Centaurs. They have highly elliptical orbits and long orbital periods, which at aphelion can place a few as remotely distant from us as Pluto. The first one to be discovered of these was Chiron. The name is all-important. In mythology Chiron suffered long from a wound inflicted on him by an arrow from Hercules. Chiron is also a comet and from the earliest times comets were feared as harbingers of disaster. It is no surprise therefore to find in astrological terms that Chiron is seen as a significator of woundedness, initially-and hopefully later, of healing.

The North Node of Chiron is close to 29 degrees of Libra, so this point in a horoscope could reflect an association (North Node) with woundedness (Chiron) in a relationship (Libra).

The greatest crisis of my life occurred in 1983 when I suffered an agonising divorce. As my marriage fell apart transiting Saturn and transiting Pluto, which had been in my 7th house for some time, now crossed the North Node of Chiron and the above noted possibility became reality.

There are other less dramatic but nevertheless interesting indications of the importance of an asteroidal name in combination with the North Node.

My natal Sun is at 19 degrees of Aries but this is also the location of the North Node of the asteroid Bach. As a schoolboy I learned to play the piano and often had to practise the composition of a Johann Sebastian Bach. Later, in my healing work, I learned to use and still today prepare flower essence remedies as initially advocated by one Dr. Edward Bach. Today, I reside in Wales where occasionally someone in the local language will address me as ‘Bach’ meaning ‘small, or young one’.

So what significance does an asteroid have? Maybe more than you bargained for.
http://www.bsa.bristolastrology.net/asteroid_nodes.html

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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Glaucus
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posted August 10, 2009 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Here is stuff by Zipporah Dobyns. She is one of the pioneers of Asteroid Astrology dating back to the 1970's. She worked a lot of with name asteroids.


here is an archive of asteroid articles from 1986 to 1999. There is a lot of name asteroids in these articles.

http://ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/awindex.html


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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