posted August 11, 2009 06:14 PM         

just wanted to know what your thoughts are on perhaps some astrological indicators of people with chips on their shoulders and seem to be vindictive.

i'm currently surrounded by libras and libra/scorpio cusps with both sides having heavy libra or scorpio influences and a bunch of them are now embroiled in like the world series of chip on shoulder-vendetta 2009.

it really has surprised me and disappointed me and it seems i'm the only one who's surprised. i always thought of libras as being nice and easygoing and although some that i know are, the rest are just like bitter and angry at the world. like they seem resentful for people's accomplishments or likeable attitude.

posted August 11, 2009 07:27 PM         

I am curious, though. Are they this way together against everyone else, or are they like this against each other?

That said, Libras are likable about HALF the time. The other half we shut ourselves away from the world, and it's a bad idea to disturb us then. I pity those Librans that have a scheduled job as I could see them being irritated & sarcastic during those times when their scales are trying to restore their inner equilibrium. But they wouldn't be that way consistently, unless whoever the alpha/queen bee/etc was that way and "the best way to keep the peace is to play along." Course a Libran might also seek to "balance" the issue with an alternative faction of his or her own which might also lead to what you're describing.

Now that I think about it, I knew one Libran (and I could tell just being around him) who was a very judgmental prick, and also turned out to be a thief. But even then he almost always worded his disdain in polite & civil terms & was more passive aggressive, though he always struck me as fussy, even prissy. That is, he hid his arrogance & displeasure at the world so that it wasn't immediately apparent to many people, though I picked up on it.

But to be fair, I met him while I was staying at some very rude accommodations (not only had to share dirty bathrooms & laundry room, but even refrigerators & kitchen!), and my main comfort while there was keeping in mind that I was only there for a short while. If I felt stuck there, I might've become somewhat embittered, too. While I was there, he eventually stole a bunch of money and left for parts unknown (with a warrant out for his arrest, suspicion was that he was headed for Canada), and I guess he just couldn't handle it anymore. It may have also struck him as fair as plenty of others there were also thieves (and once while asleep, the guy who owned the place helped himself into my room when he thought I wasn't there), so thought he should be able to steal, too.

But anyway, I also don't get vindictiveness, at least not in the long term. It seems a burden that's ugly to have as it is to display and I'm glad that I'm very slow to adopt grudges and quick to let them go (generally, when a person isn't a problem for me, I let it go, which also means that I'm much more likely to just cut someone out of my life completely rather than "get them back"). I realize how flawed the world is, too, so that also makes me somewhat sympathetic to the flaws of others.

Heck, one guy in Frisco walked right out in front of me once. It's true that the local law gave him right away, but I was already there when he just walked out and I had to slam on my brakes to keep from hitting him. Even then my thought was that he was on cocaine or something to have done that and I was just glad I didn't hit him. Then he slammed his fist on the hood of my car and I had a brief but powerful urge to push the pedal to the metal. But after I left Frisco, I just didn't care about him anymore, just mystified by his behavior, though I tend not to trust people who I think dress & act that way now, but more pity them than hate them (and avoid them rather than trying to "teach them a lesson" or some such).

posted August 11, 2009 07:55 PM         

i can hold a grudge for like forever and i have, but i don't do negative things back to that person. i just remember how they were like towards me and i proceed with caution. when i hold i grudge it's more like i need my time and space from you as opposed to i'm gonna get you.

posted August 11, 2009 08:21 PM         

Later she decided to "give me another chance" and I refused. When she asked me why, I said, without bitterness just matter of fact, "First time, shame on you, second time, shame on me." That is, while I didn't feel inclined to take vengeance of any kind, nor would I take pleasure in her suffering, I wasn't going to let her take advantage of me again, not when I had plenty of others who treated me decently.

She was furious, and started a rumor campaign against me. Luckily, she was so over the top (in addition to having done this before as I found out) that it didn't hurt me. Though all the same, I've never honestly told someone that I was refusing to work with someone again over dishonesty because I don't know how many rumor campaigns like that I could weather, and now just tell those people I'm too busy.

posted August 12, 2009 05:25 AM         

I'm Libra sun and I have mercury in Scorpio conjunct the IC. I definitely think about revenge but I don't communicate about it (IC, hidden stuff and all, plus Scorp secretiveness), so I don't really do vendettas but imagine them in some detail.

I think the last grudge I had against someone, I dreamt about waiting for a hot day and then covering her tin-roofed house in minced fish.

I know. What a git!

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like they seem resentful for people's accomplishments or likeable attitude

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Yep, that is most often what I would get resentful about. But usually, as Dervish says, only if my scales are out of whack. I get resentful of other people's seeming equilibrium and composure. Then yes, please do leave me alone until I recover my equilibrium, and with it my self esteem. Do not poke the bear when they are struggling with the scales. Bad mistake. It can make a bad situation a whole lot worse. If someone baits me enough, and will not leave me alone despite my pleading with them, then the full wrath of that Scorpio mercury can be unleashed and you don't want to be around for that.

I have been known to be quite spiteful about how freakin NICE someone is, how PERFECT they are ALL THE TIME. Luckily this trait is more and more kept under wraps as I mature, and also because I am not so hard on myself as through astrology I know that I will recover my balance eventally. Librans are constantly striving for harmony and balance and if they are not achieving it they can get very upset.

posted August 12, 2009 09:31 AM         

I was gonna say scorpio, but my stellium in scorpio relative is way less vindictive then me with a stellium in capricorn. Lack of Aquarius might be the theme of vengeance driven behavior

posted August 12, 2009 06:41 PM         

i think that boggles my mind. like i can't believe it's happening. i think that's what's getting me is that i can't understand why it's happening. there is no need for it to happen as the person she's doing this to, has done nothing to her. it's the circumstances that's making her take it out on him and it makes me VERY disappointed in her behavior.

i do notice that she gets vindictive when she loses control or if people can't get on point. in this case, she lost control. a friend of mine said this is her way of gaining control.

resentful: yes definitely this libra and some others i know are really resentful of people's pluses in life if you want to put it that way. i think she is resentful towards that guy because he's very likeable and very affable. it seems as if he got to his place in life effortlessly because he's friends with everyone. i know some people just hate that kind of person because they themselves are are not well-liked and had to work so hard to get to where they are.

posted August 12, 2009 07:01 PM         

Saturn opposing Pluto - especially when this opposition lies close to the ASC/DSC-axis! (with that "case study" from above, his Pluto was cj. his ASC, Saturn was cj. his DSC) - always needs to "win you out", jealous (not only in love) because of a deep ingrained lack of self-love...

Moon opposing Mars - adds the "quick temper", a "fighter, not a lover"-trait, VERY touchy, feels offended waaaayyyyy too easily - and almost impossible to calm the rage down, if this person is angry/vindictive or whatever. STOPANDSTARE: Actually, his Mars was in Libra - opposed by Moon in Aries

Also maybe ... Venus opposing Chiron: Again 1000% "touchyness" - wear kid gloves always, or you better not try to get close to that person. Sees his pride hurt way too quickly.

posted August 12, 2009 10:47 PM         

When I see others having it good, I generally like it, because it means I can have it good, too. 'Course some have different values and while they may have a lot more in the way of friends, money, etc, than I do, they still seem pretty sad, finding little joy or comfort in their accomplishments, or that their friends are superficial (more into who they know or have than for who the person is), or what they've gained is more fairy glamor (like those endless cash advances that are destined to bite them on the butt hard one day, with the saying "borrow gold, borrow chains" echoing in my mind) or find sacrificing their actual dreams to become a "success" has left them hollow.

Heck, I see so many wage slaves and pity them. No wonder so many are on meds or try to be, it's like how many of previous generations instead turned to valium, opium, and/or alcohol, to medicate themselves against the life they hate. They don't understand because they've been fooled into thinking this is what they're supposed to to and that it will bring them happiness, and wonder what they're doing wrong without being able to realize that everything that think of as "right" is what's wrong. I suppose if I gave in to that and went along, I'd be miserable, too. I might even become bitter and act out hatefully. Makes me glad to work for myself (especially as I'm not one looking at losing a job).

But whatever the case, I find people being happy makes me happy, people being sad makes me sad. One reason I used to believe that if there was a God/dess that this deity was good was because I assumed (wrongly) that everyone was like me, which is the more joy & laughter I shared, the more I had (even seeing a comedy with someone could make a barely watchable film into one that's hilarious for me), but when sad, I felt less when I shared it, and I was willing to help others who were sad so that they could be happy again and share their happiness with me. That is, the more joy I shared, the more I had, but sharing pain made it less until it went away.

It seems a beautiful arrangement, and too bad the majority of the human race isn't wired like that as I once believed we were (and thus some transcendent deity was therefore Benevolent who wanted us to help each other be happy). I've come to realize that some are wired the exact opposite, that joy in others brings them pain, and pain in others brings them joy, among other ways people are wired.

It could be life experience that makes me different, too. But I've rambled enough.

posted August 13, 2009 12:17 AM         

Alvarella777: thank you for the detailed composite this guy sounds scary! what you say about him is quite true about this person. in terms of trust and not being able to trust people...people are your enemies.

this person said she didn't trust this other person and it was like and you didn't know this person for more than a week and then he disappeared. how can you judge someone like that? and yes this libra definitely does go on the defense or offense if you say something that apparently offended her. sometimes i just wanna be like whoa lady like calm down.

i'm annoyed by people like that. take themselves and life so seriously. it doesn't work well with me because i'm on the other spectrum of life where i seem to trust people too easily because i think people are at their core good people. my vengeful scorpio friend said that's my problem that i see the good in people.

dervish: thank you for your rambles i love reading everyone's posts esp. long ones. my gemini moon appreciates long postings

and everyone else: thanks for replying.

and yes i must also second that strong capricorn influences seem to make for very vengeful types. i have a couple of good friends who are caps and they wouldn't hesitate to take it outside.