posted August 13, 2009 03:20 PM         

I'm not saying I've met mine or anything, but one would think that something miraculous would happen when you meet that "special someone"...oh I dunno...that you would FEEL it, like a bolt out of the blue. Yes, no?

Just out of curiousity I did some synastry charts with a guy my best friend has been trying to hook me up with for awhile. We have known each other socially for about 2 years. He is her fiance’s best friend, we get along quite well and there has been some mild flirtation but nothing off the charts, yet we have some great synastry. Both tropical and draconic. Probably the best I've had with anyone. I'm sure an expert could find areas of concern but I'm seeing stuff like:

Tropical:

My NN conjunct his AC (wide orb)
My Tyche exact conjunct his AC
My AC conjunct his Sun
My Valentine conjunct his Sun
My Saturn conjunct his Karma
My Sun exact conjunct his Saturn
My Venus conjunct his Union
My Venus conjunct his Amor
My Amor conjunct his Chiron
My Moon conjunct his Chiron
My Mercury conjunct his Pluto
His Lust conjunct my Uranus

DW Sun/Valentine
DW Sun/AC
DW Sun/Union
DW Moon/Mars
DW Moon/Chiron
DW Venus/Mars
DW Venus/Jupiter
DW Venus/Chiron

Draconic:

His Vertex exact conjunct my Venus
My Vertex conjunct his Pluto (wide orb)
My Sun conjunct his Pluto
His Moon conjunct my AC
His Venus conjunct my AC (wide orb)
His Valentine conjunct my Venus
His Valentine conjunct my Juno
My Mars exact conjunct his Mars
My Mars conjunct his Jupiter
My Saturn exact conjunct his Union
My Saturn conjunct his Amor
His Saturn conjunct my Psyche
His Angel (which is also my name asteroid) exact conjunct my Mercury and conjunct my Jupiter and Pluto
His Tyche conjunct my Neptune
His Lust conjunct my Pluto

All this, and I have only looked at the conjunctions, all of which are within a degree of 4 or less unless otherwise indicated (exact or wide orb), and the vast majority of which are 2 degrees or less. Whew! Some may or not be significant but that seems like a lot of close conjunctions.

I would expect with synastry like this I would feel a magnetic pull towards this man, and although I feel a little intrigued by him and things have perked up a bit in the last couple of weeks, I have never felt a JOLT around him like “This guy is the one!”

Is that normal? Although I like him a lot, I don't feel like he's my destiny. Our mutual friends, however, feel there is something “special” about us and are pushing us together. Am I in denial?

Just for kicks and giggles, here is the composite chart.

Composite:

I can post the synastry and/or natal charts if interested. Thanks for any feedback. I’m just really puzzled about this one.

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Natal Tidbits

Sun in Virgo
Moon in Taurus
Mercury in Libra
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Leo
Pisces Rising

posted August 13, 2009 03:58 PM         

or even just touch his arm? sometimes a touch will send a volt.

posted August 13, 2009 05:31 PM         

Honestly, I like him. I find him funny and very intriguing. I want to get to know him better. I get the sense that still waters run deep and instinctively know that there is more than meets the eye. I can't shake this feeling of wariness though. Part of me feels like I can trust him with all my secrets and part of me feels like I can't trust him as far as I can throw him. I am thinking that might be the composite moon in the 12th.

Deux, the synastry charts are below:

Tropical Synastry:

Draconic Synastry:

We also have his Pluto in tight square to my Prosperina in the tropical synastry. I didn't say anything about that because I know a positive soulmate pairing should be a conjunction, but it is there.

Duex, as far as transits/progressions, I have a feeling things will get more interesting in October (I know that's a while away). We have talked our mutual best friends into letting us throw a Halloween bash at their house (long story, it is basically a housewarming party for them since they are moving and that is shortly after their wedding)

I am still working on how to do predictive astrology but I have played with transits on Astro.

Birth Data for both:

posted August 13, 2009 09:28 PM         

I've been having problems posting too by the way. Not sure what's up with that.

Your analysis makes me feel better for not feeling crazy that I'm not all over this guy the way my girlfriends want me to be. I do like him a lot and I know there's a lot TO like (as evidenced by the chart) but I also know that only fools rush in (as also evidenced by the chart). I will say that a lot of the stuff you are seeing about a need for personal freedom, etc. is spooking me. I am very intense in my relationships and can't see myself involved with someone who would crave a lot of independence and "openness". An open relationship? Ha! Don't think so.

I did find the stuff you saw in the composite about domineering behavior interesting. I haven't been around him enough to really notice that but I have seen teeny weeny little things that would corroborate that. Like he gets annoyed when people, women in particular, raise their voice at him. Then again, most people don't like to be yelled at. You could also be talking about me. I have been accused of being controlling in my relationships.

By the way, if I have done it right, both natal charts should appear in my signature?

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My Natal Chart: http://images2c.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp536%3B2%3Enu%3D336 7%3E%3B86%3E46%3B%3EWSNRCG%3D329%3B45%3B486336nu0mrj

posted August 13, 2009 10:57 PM         

Want to add something. Definitely don't rule out that there could be something really special with this guy, you never know... most of the time we expect that if a soulmate is brought into our lives that we should somehow absolutely know right away or feel an immediate soul-stirring, but that hasn't always been the case in my experience. Two of the three relationships that felt fated beyond my control were with guys I didn't immediately take to. It took some time, but once the relationships progressed they were powerful experiences. When looking back at the meeting with "the one", it still surprises me that I didn't somehow know something at first sight, given that I have always relied heavily on intuition.

posted August 14, 2009 12:37 AM         

That said, your synastry has some strong ties, but it isn't anything really earthshaking. Most of the compelling aspects are with asteroids, but IMO those don't play a big role unless the basic planet-to-planet aspects are also strong. In this case, he has an unaspected moon (his emotional energy doesn't "connect" with you, and it feels like something is missing). You have Saturn opposition Venus, which can sometimes prevent a relationship from ever starting; there's just something holding both people back. His Saturn falls into your 7th house, which can also be a relationship-stopper (though sometimes it also indicates longevity in relationships that do start). There are no sun/sun, sun/moon, or moon/moon aspects to bring mutual support and understanding -- the sun/ascendant conjunction could possibly compensate for this, but his sun does fall into his 12th house, which can be a confusing and obscure placement.

The attraction is there, of course, with the Venus/Mars double whammy, his Mars in your 7th, his moon/Venus in your 1st, and your Mars in his 1st. However, the vibe I get from this synastry is that something's a little off -- there's attraction but not a deep connection, not an urge to be together seriously. It doesn't strike me as soul mate synastry.

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posted August 21, 2009 01:40 PM         

I have really been amazed at how I seem to be falling for this guy, especially considering my initial reluctance and almost disdain towards our so-called synastry. LOL!

I saw him last weekend and took the opportunity to try the "physical" test, which actually didn't work out too well--too many people around. I did feel all shy and nervous and fluttery around him in close proximity though...HIGHLY unusual for me! I am usually bold, seductive, and vixen-like around men. Curiouser and curiouser!

BUT, the important thing is that we did have a breakthrough in communication and have had some AMAZING sparks since then. Talking every day for hours and hours as in "where have you been all my life?" We have an amazing amount of things in common! Even down to liking to encrypt secret messages to each other for one another to decode. Silly stuff like that.

I do feel a lot of my natural guardedness and reluctance to talk about personal and painful things melting away when I'm near him and especially when we are having a deep conversation. It feels very healing. I have been very depressed lately and it feels like some clouds have parted and a little bit of sunshine is breaking through. I am not putting all my hopes into him and a part of me is leaving the possibility there that we might end up as only very good friends, but still, it is beginning to feel purposeful and fated.

I did want to ask about the tropical vs. draconic synastry because of some of the weaknesses Denise pointed out. Which one is stronger and if it's the draconic, it's quite possible that this may end up being just a really strong friendship right?

EDIT: I reread Todd's interpretation of the composite and want to give congrats on another whammy of a reading because man you really hit the nail on the head with that one Todd! I have never, ever opened up to anybody, not even friends about my terrible relationship with my parents but with him...yeah. So both the healing and communication aspects are there in the composite, just as you said.

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posted August 25, 2009 05:34 PM         

My favorite book of the Bible is Song of Solomon (also known as Song of Songs). He was born in February and has a tattoo with a symbol denoting being born in the second month, also biblical. We have talked about the symbol before.

Today I asked him what his favorite number was, and he said 42. I thought that was a rather random number but he gave me an explanation. I went to lunch, and while I was driving, got this compelling urge to check the book Song of Solomon for references to 2 and 42, which I promptly did when I got back to my desk. I knew there were not 42 chapters, nor were any chapters long enough to have 42 verses, so I knew I was probably looking for something in chapter 2, verse 4...

While I was thinking about it, it all kind of came together for me. Song of Solomon is all above love, sex, union, etc. February, 2...the numerology of it was just weird. So anyway, I found the relevant verse right away (without a lot of hunting, it was just RIGHT THERE) that sums it all up for me, and just happens to be one of my favorite verses and a famous verse at that:

"He has brought me to the banqueting hall, and his banner over me is love."

AHHHHH! "His banner over me is love"...there have been so many songs written with that line. And it just happens to be in Song of Solomon, chapter 2, verse 4, in the second half of the sentence? And the entire verse has to do with being taken to a place where one is fed and fulfilled and sheltered and wrapped in love?

Am I reading too much into this? Please tell me I'm not going crazy?

I also noticed (I really need to stop analyzing these charts to death) that his SN is conjunct my AC. That implies a past life connection, right?

That's why I really need to know if all this...sudden weirdness...is CURRENT or PAST. I'm going nuts.

posted August 26, 2009 02:59 PM         

his NN is also conjunct your DESC.

I`d say, it can be both, PAST and CURRENT.

Maybe it`s time to step back from astrology and meditate a bit and listen into yourself, what you feel about him?
Without ástrology, synastry or oracles.

What do YOU feel?
What do YOU want?

Do you want to get closer to him? If the answer is yes, go for it, girl!
If the answer is No, don`t.

And yes, I believe, soulmates can be around without us really noticing.

I even go as far to say, sometimes we don`t feel what we feel. (Meaning we don`t always have access to the deepest layer of our feelings nor the awareness of them).

posted August 26, 2009 04:17 PM         

To be honest, like MVM, I am getting sick of astrology and sick of myself, but it is addictive, so I can't quit.

But yeah, I am into him. I wasn't and now I am. I hope I am into him because I was meant to be into him and not because the astrology has hoodwinked me into being into him, if you know what I mean. I think I'm in for the right reasons though. For now, it feels good. Thanks for your thoughts.

posted August 26, 2009 04:38 PM         

I have a suggestion re: your link to your chart. How about you copy and paste this below by going into this post at "edit":

My Chart

This will make sure that the pages are not distorted by the long link.

I hope this was useful.

posted August 26, 2009 04:55 PM         

Thank you very much, Unmoved.

posted August 26, 2009 05:35 PM         

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sometimes we don`t feel what we feel. (Meaning we don`t always have access to the deepest layer of our feelings nor the awareness of them).

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Wow, this is sooo insightful and true. DD, it's nice to see you around! I understand you're backing up a little from LL lately, but I'll take this opportunity to say that your posts have been very thought-provoking to me in terms of astrology and life. I actually spend a lot of time lately thinking about things that you've written, as I struggle through this dry spell.

Sorry to be a little off-topic--Starr of Venus girl, weren't you heavily involved with another guy, who was already in another relationship? Or is this the same guy?

Sometimes I think looking for "soul mate" synastry is just about throwing things at the wall to see what will stick. Any relationship can be framed any way we want to frame it...synastry is one thing that helps us do that. I guess it helps pass the time when there's no actual, beautiful, BANGing going on.

But increasingly, as I learn more about all of it, I see how each connection between two people is completely unique, and the whole idea that we have just one "soul mate" (or even a whole soul family), really shortchanges the soul--where we are all dazzlingly connected, and I am just as connected to a lizard or a goat or a microbe or a blade of grass in India or any of you as I am to the Sag actor I recently met (who lives in another city, sigh) or my too-young Scorpio friend with the nice ass, who I think the Deep Connection I feel with would not be so Deep if he didn't appeal to the little soul in my pants.

I kind of wish we could all stop looking for "Soul Mate" synastry...it's so pass/fail...it's like rating people's looks on a scale of 1-10. When someone has won a Nobel Prize for his/her beautiful work, and their vibe is totally brilliant and breathtaking, it's hard to give them a number. Each person's beauty is unique. Similarly, each connection between two people has its own flavor...we should not look at it as Good ("He's my Soul Mate!" "It's Meant To Be!") or Bad ("He's not my Soul Mate, because we fail the Soul Mate synastry test.")

It is reassuring to have that Soul Mate stamp of approval when you feel a life-changing connection to a person and don't know why, or you aren't feeling that much but wish you were so you want to add a little intrigue, or your gut is secretly telling you that the guy you're madly in love with is bad news and you want evidence your gut is wrong, or it's not happening with someone you have intense feelings for, and you want evidence that it will happen.

But I don't think at the soul level we need that kind of reassurance, or even explanation--at the soul level everything is very beautiful and all love, and any of us can connect to that at any moment. It's at the EGO level we need all that reassurance, that evidence, that proof.

posted August 26, 2009 07:47 PM         

Yeah that was me. That guy is still around--he's the neighbor after all. Kids still play, etc. And they actually broke up about a few weeks ago. For good. We are still in each other's space, but not as heavily involved. I am actually trying to distance myself from him some. Which is ironic considering that he is now available. I just figure that if it's meant to be, it will be. It's funny how as soon as I made that decision, he became available. But I wouldn't want him on the rebound...I do believe that people need time to heal from previous relationships. And in the meantime, I am keeping my options open to meet other people...

And along came Aquarius guy. Sigh. My interest in Aquarius guy doesn't mean I have thrown Neighbor guy completely to the wayside but he is backburner for now. That feels like the healther, more correct decision for the moment.

I truly hope I am not making a mess of things.

posted August 27, 2009 12:47 AM         

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But I wouldn't want him on the rebound...I do believe that people need time to heal from previous relationships.

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Gah, if you don't want him on the rebound, why did you want him on the bound? I thought it was all so intense, passionate, etc that you guys couldn't do the kind thing (vis a vis his partner) and wait until he had ended, or opened, that other relationship?

I am the opposite, I guess. A guy in a relationship is 100% off limits in my book, even if he loves and wants me and is really hot and it's a crappy relationship he is trying to escape, but I have no qualm about being involved with someone "healing" after a breakup. If it was un-urgent enough to give him time to heal from his breakup, why didn't you just wait till he was free?

Are you asking him to wait for you while you see other guys and he "heals"? Or is he seeing other people too?

I'm having a LindaLand meltdown...people post about all these intense relationships/attractions they are having that are so huge and momentous they're wondering if it's true love or soulmates or whatever, and then a couple of months later, they're posting about someone new. WTF???