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Topic: I have no Idea what to do or who to turn to- please help if you can
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DiandraReborn25 Knowflake Posts: 267 From: Portugal Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 07:48 AM
i also agree with Geo and IQ.here in my country,both Mia Rose and Ana Free started very very young and on Youtube!theu utilized the internet to spread their talent.and they didnt waited for things to come up to them... i know it is difficult for you but..you cannot stagnate your dreams only to be with the person you love.SACRIFICING yourself for the sake of a relationship it is not the best way to maintain Love.cause once you do that,sooner or later one of you will resent that,normally the one who did the sacrifice. and even if i may sound harsh or egoic - you must think of your happiness firts,your dreams and follow them.Love is not sacrifice. Love embodies patience,trust,comprehension,truth,honesty.. Believe me:if you two manage to deal with distance,with missing the other and still wanting to be with each other,knowing that you are both striving for your own dreams...then you will maintain the Love you have. im long distance with my bf and we have 3 years of relationship.We are striving for our own dreams,but always with our eyes directed to a living together life,when Life gets better and stabilized. Did our Love staganted or died?NO!It is even stronger and wiser. Explain to your bf everything you feel.everything your Soul is making you feel/directing you to some other place. If he understands that;if he is willing to support you...then...only then you know how much strong your love is. have faith and courage. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 11:39 AM
Meta 4 you said:"Your advice seems like a no-brainer, but it's significantly easier said than done in any artistic profession- especially when it deals with performing. The pressure would surprise you.." not sure what you meant there? why would the pressure surprise me? i fully understand the advice to get in there and don't waste any time. i am merely saying that 19 is not as old as a 19 year old thinks. i disagree COMPLETELY with people who say you have to rush things, especially when saturn is in your 1st house. timing is everything. if i had pushed into music at 19 i would have been an "old lady" at 30, and indeed i would have been too far ahead of my time to hit my mark. as it was i got into music "late" but it was EXACTLY the RIGHT time. instead of spending years bashing against granite walls i was off and running in a minute. i may not be a household name, but if that is the point you are looking for fame not creativity. they are not necessarily synonymous. and as i said olympia dukakis started in her 50s...and i know plenty of people who spent their teens and twenties trying to get a foot in the door who gave up at 30 when their saturn return told them to "grow up already!" IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 11:41 AM
also good point made about youtube. this is the digital age and a great deal can be done without ever leaving your house if you use your imagination...i do have to agree that 19 is ALSO too young to give up your dream for a love affair. there are cities closer to him than ny. and there is SO much competition in the apple that it can be much more effective to break into a smaller cosmopolitan scene. isn't there somewhere not too far from him that has a theatre scene AND dayjobs? IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 292 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 03:27 PM
Woah katatonic! I didn't mean to offend you! I'm just saying that, as an actress who just turned 19, i can honestly say i feel old. In the professional world at least. I look at some of my peers who have been acting since they were in the womb basically, and feel like i pale by comparison. .. how do i explain this? It's like a clock is ticking. Kinda like how women feel that "biological clock" ticking for having children. There's a certain time frame where there are the BEST choices available. You're young, you're energetic, you're beautiful, you're the definition of youth. That's what they want. That's what "sells". I don't just mean in a Hollywood-famous way. I mean in any kind of performing business. Thousands of artists are talented, but thousands of artists don't get jobs, do they? I'm not in this for the glory. I'm in it for the expression. But just as i am a dreamer, i also HAVE to be rational. It will be much more difficult for me to find work if i wait until i'm 35 to start. I'm not saying it's impossible, i just think it would be more challenging. Heck, some of my FAVORITE actors didn't start until they were 28, 30 years old! That's fabulous. I guess it's just a feeling that I feel personally. So... just ignore my little tid-bit here.  IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 308 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 03:34 PM
I think we assume that Saturn always means to stop or slow things down in the 1st house. I see it as the house of how you present yourself to the world and with Saturn in the 1st, it's a perfect time to present yourself as a "professional", as "powerful" and "strategic". In addition to building your skills it's also a time to show off your skills to the world. And it's interesting that the conversation is revolving around time since Saturn represents time. It also represents "business" and if entertainment is going to be your "business" this is a perfect time to present yourself as someone who is "serious" about the "details" (Virgo is details) of your business.I wouldn't wait until Saturn moves into the 2nd House of finances and self worth. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 04:18 PM
no offense taken, don't worry. i was just wondering why you think i don't know the pressure you feel. my experience has shown me that no matter how hard you push or feel the pressure of time, things happen at the RIGHT time. and that what the business "wants" is not always what it needs. do you think the business "wanted" bob dylan when he first hit the scene? yes he was young, but he was completely AGAINST type...of course 1st house saturn doesn't mean be invisible. it is just my nature to advise against "popular wisdom" as the people i admire CHANGED the mold rather than fit into it. and saturn in the first IS a good time to do groundwork but it may PROTRACT or slow down one's progress in order to give you plenty of roots before you take off! ps. when saturn hit my second house i came into a chunk of money which lasted me for 18 months while i got myself set up in my current endeavour...though it has a rep for financial hardship and trials saturn means crytalization and frequently does coincide with windfalls and increases in income... IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 292 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 22, 2009 11:49 PM
Katatonic,I just realized that Saturn is transiting through my 10th house! LMAO! NO wonder... So my explanation isn't unfounded.  Which, you already know, as you are a creative person yourself. I am sincerely sorry if i touched a nerve in you. I didn't mean to. I'm sure you know the ugliness and pressure that can be spewed out by the show business industry. But hey, what can you do? I wish you the best of the best of the best of luck in your profession. I send out good thoughts to you.  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 03:31 AM
for sure, meta, i wasn't offended. just couldn't figure out why you would think i didn't know about "the pressure"! it's probably silly of me to expect you young'uns to understand, but if you can step back and see that that pressure is basically the pressure to conform - to a preset idea of "how to succeed in the biz" maybe you can excuse yourself from it. you can use the pressure to measure how strong you are. i just wanted to say that no matter what anybody says or thinks, there are no DEADLINES to breaking in. if you really want to be doing it, you will, no matter where you are, and when you "get there" is irrelevant. to me! and I don't want to offend geo who is a brilliant astrologer! it's not my completely isolated opinion that saturn in second can actually manifest as GOOD financial circumstances that help you BUILD your inner resources. it did happen to me, though, and it does happen to others. still hard work though! none of which solves EE's dilemma i'm sure... IP: Logged |
aka Kat Knowflake Posts: 86 From: Cleveland, Ohio Registered: Jun 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 07:36 AM
Whatever advice you take or do not, just know you can always change your mind. There are many many people in the arts, some make it who are less skilled, but the truly talented persevere over time. When we are consumed with "making it" we are at the will of others liking us or not, and this sets you up for an inevitable fall. If you love your craft, you craft will pull you through all the ups and downs and rejections you will face. Your love of the craft will give you strength to do things you did not know you could do. You will step out of character and grow with your craft.People with the "it" factor are few and far between. Unless you have the "it" factor, there is room for improvement. And if you have the "it" factor, there is still room for improvement because there will always be someone who is better and worse than you. Follow your heart. May I ask where you are living now? katatonic -yes! IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 02:39 PM
Wow!!! What an overwhelming response!!! Just wanted to say that everyone's input is very much appreciated! Geocosmic Valentine, thank you for being so blunt and honest! No sense in sugarcoating anything right? I definitely understand what you're saying about me being the right age RIGHT NOW! This is why I'm really beginning to feel the pressure! I know I need to be there now because I am in my prime and I won't be that way forever! Diandra_Robinson, I'm very happy to hear that you and your bf are still together and stronger than ever despite the 3 yr long distance relationship! Knowing that gives me hope that not EVERY long distance relationship hinders the connection and eventually leads to heart-ache... I guess it CAN be done!  And this may be some miscommunication on my part, but I'm not "giving up my dream" to be with my bf. He knows that I will pursue it and he is supportive of that fact. We've been planning to move to the city but first have to save up some money b/c we just cannot afford it on our current budget. He promised to help me with the saving even though that happens to be one of his biggest flaws, being an extremely impulsive spender. I know that this is very difficult for him but he's been working on himself and putting in quite a bit of effort to help me save up. I am proud to say that he has made some tremendous strides in this department since we've been together. The issue is not whether or not I will pursue my dream, but rather, simply a question of "WHEN." I'm getting restless and that could just be in part due to my immaturity of being a 19 yr old. Who knows. IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 02:41 PM
katatonic! You seem very wise... especially about the whole "timing" thing. Us youngsters really do always seem in a hurry, don't we? There is a part of me that really resonates with what you're saying about it not mattering when you "think" things should happen or when you "want" them to happen, they will happen when the TIME IS RIGHT! Story of my life. I've always been in a bit of a rush it seems. Maybe that's all adolescents. I've only recently slowed down a bit, preferring to "feel" my way through everything (mars in pisces talking.) Also, it seems I have some escape tendencies. Moving has often been my "escape" from difficult or unworkable situations. Maybe my Saturn in 1st wants me to just deal with it instead of running away. One of the reasons that I'm inclined to think this way is because of a series of recent tarot readings. I've had SEVERAL done on the question "what will happen if I pursue acting?" and the results were a bit grounding. The reading told me that although my passion for the performing arts is true and and my will is strong, my experience and maturity level are just not quite up to par. Basically saying that I'm just "too young" and not ready yet. The Universe card inverted came up as my final outcome several times! I was aghast! How can I be TOO YOUNG?? I'm already 19! The reader reaffirmed that's what the cards were saying though. The interesting thing is, whenever I was in DC (just a few months ago) I was in a theatre there and also was doing modeling on the side... everything just seemed like it was rolling along... but... oddly enough, nothing really transpired. Could this be the Saturn in 1st? meta_4 I'm sure being a 19 yr old your self, you know where I'm coming from. How long have you been pursuing your acting career? Unfortunately, yes, what "sells" is youth, but then again one thing I've made very clear to myself is that I don't want to be cast just for that. In fact, I really dislike that I'm usually type-cast as an ingenue or "love interest" by directors. I like to play roles that are completely out of character for me, and that stretch my acting limits and broaden my horizons. For instance, one time I had the unique pleasure of being cast as Peter Pan in a play at school. Yes, nothing extraordinary compared to most professional productions, but it was the most rewarding, and challenging experience for me thus far. I have no idea why I got cast for that role... I'm as girly as they get! I only own one pair of flat shoes! lol I'm not so concerned with "making it." I just want to be known for my talent sans looks and all that, and be able to make a decent living. Fame is not that important to me. Aka Kat- I live in Southern West Virginia... So the problem lies in that now I feel, well, a bit torn. I've received excellent advice from two very opposing points of view. On the one hand, part of me is yearning to just break free and "go for it!" Like what GEO,meta_4,and Diandra have said. Not to mention, moving in with my dad would be easier: I wouldn't have to rely on myself to pay for all the bills and rent working 5-6 days a week 40 hrs a week, I could do more things in the area that he lives... BUT since when does easier equal better?? On the other hand, Belage and katatonic are telling me that it would be wise to work on myself and prepare so that I would "have" something to show of myself when I did finally pursue my dream... but then my concern is, would it be too late? Or is everything in the universe set up in a way that nothing that occurs in our lives is too early or late, but rather ON TIME? You all have left me with much to ponder  IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 02:44 PM
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meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 292 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 03:45 PM
EE,"Making it" doesn't mean being "famous". Doesn't mean being rich. Or having a 25 page-long resume. "Making it" means being successful. And success is setting a goal, and achieving it. So if your goal is to be taken seriously, then make it happen. Stop talking about it, pining over it, thinking, questioning, wishing for it, and just do it. If all you do is dream about it happening, then that's all it is- a dream. Something unreal. And any way, the whole point of acting is to portray someone, truthfully, who ISN'T you. So it shouldn't matter if YOU are as girly as they come. If you want to play a chubby, ugly, mass murderer, then do it. Prove to everyone you have the passion and dedication and ability to be that character. Learn and create your character, research, invest, and turn your emotional and physical body INTO this person. But at the same time, you have to have the drive. Having people around you telling you that you can be an actor, doesn't mean you will be an actor. You have to perservere and literally give up almost everything in your life to attain success. You have to face rejection, and spend money, and lose money, and lose weight, and gain weight, and travel, and blah blah blah. You know all this. Kevin Spacey once said, "Wanting it is not enough." And let me tell you, as someone who has just recently gotten a taste of the professional world, he is absolutely right. It's not enough. If you're going to be an actor, you will have to live for it. Period. But at the same time, i'm barking at you thinking you want to go into the professional performance world: Broadway, Hollywood, The National Theatre, etc. If you want to be a big fish in a small pond, i'm sure it won't be as difficult.  IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 23, 2009 06:40 PM
sometimes being a big fish in a small pond is the first step to being in a bigger pond. OFTEN. and sometimes trying to break into the biggest pond when you're still a minnow can burn you out by 25...you're right EE, when the time is right it will "happen" but till then just find any avenue that works for you...big or small doesn't matter, but what's available is your first option. good luck girls! IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted August 25, 2009 10:13 AM
Thank you everyone for your help!!It has not been taken for granted... After much soul searching and pondering, I've come up with a difficult decision: For right now I'm going to stick with the advice of Saturn being in my 1st as a time for preparation... This has always been very difficult for me so potentially, it may be the lesson that I'm supposed to learn from the transit. I'm notorious for jumping head first into things on a complete whim with no thought for the consequences. Maybe this is what it means to "mature," and maybe this is what old man Saturn wants me to do at the moment. But just like you said aka Kat, nothing's truly set in stone and I can always change my mind  Thank you once again! IP: Logged |
DepTaurus Knowflake Posts: 721 From: canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 04, 2009 02:53 AM
i think its offical to say i have hit the breaking point i need to go back to being loof and a doof. i think that was a couple of good weeks. im done yu gcan have yur pices moon back. i so glad to be back and ignore my feelings.IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted September 06, 2009 11:28 AM
Awwww... I'm sorry to hear that DepTaurus... I gave up trying your Aqua moon as well... that Saturn/Mars transit just would not let me calm down!! Ugh!!  How are you feeling now? Are you doing alright? :/ IP: Logged |
DepTaurus Knowflake Posts: 721 From: canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 06, 2009 09:41 PM
good to hear from you but yeah im doing much better now. i am back to avoiding things and doing my thing.how are you feeling now. IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted September 08, 2009 08:17 PM
Well, now that the pesky transit is almost gone entirely, I can say that I am feeling much better Still super emotional but, well, that's me... I care. Glad to hear that you are doing better as well!IP: Logged |
Agent_009 Knowflake Posts: 75 From: Canada Registered: May 2009
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posted September 09, 2009 06:09 AM
Hi Ethereal,I work on feature films....and I absolutely, totally agree with Geocosmic. You are definitely in the wrong place and wrong state of mind to pursue this kind of career. Many people dont survive in film because they're unwilling to give up a normal lifestyle/security...or just dont have the financial means to continue pursuing it. The majority who've lasted have all sacrificed relationships for career at some point or another. I can also tell you that on set, about 95% of people are divorced or just cheating on their spouses. Especially if your just trying to get in at 19, it's gonna be tough unless you've got killer talent plus some hookups.....or your just drop dead gorgeous. I myself have been told many times by directors/mentors that I should never place priority in relationships...they tell me dont even bother getting married or having kids until I'm ancient. I pretty much entirely gave up on my love/social life the past few years to hone my skills and battled tooth'n nail to get into the industry. Yet, it's still.....very......difficult!! Also you need to be able to handle rejection damn well. I've sat in on many casting meetings and sometimes I get to pick actors for directors, for secondary roles. I'd say it involves some luck cuz it can be pretty random sometimes. 50% of the time it's talent, however sometimes we're just not able to find a talented person with the right looks for a part....so 50% of the time we settle for looks. Sometimes it even comes down to dumb things like hair colour. (for example; if the lead actress was blond and majority of the choices for secondary roles were blondes, we'd definitely pick a brunette instead...wont even waste the time to call up the other blondes with some talent and tell them to go dye their hair). Anyways hope this helps...and think about what you reeeeally want! IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 1614 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2009 01:43 PM
you know, for every person for whom the above is true, there is someone who beat the game. the worlds of modelling and music are VERY similar, and also geared to image. but look at lauren hutton who refused to fix her teeth; chrissy hinde and patti smith who got into rock not only as women LEADING bands but at the ripe old age of 28 and without a "conventionally pretty" bone in their faces; and who was that actress howard hughes adored who refused to pluck her eyebrows or shave any body hair, but became a big star despite it? though i can't remember her name right now she WAS a household name. these are just a couple of examples.the list is practically endless. the newmans are an obvious example of people who stayed married happily through decades in the business... what other people think or do is nothing to do with you. it is all down to what you want and how you want to do it. accept yourself and the world will follow...and many people fail because they THINK they have to jump through hoops when really they don't. IP: Logged |
etherealenlightenment Knowflake Posts: 162 From: far away... Registered: May 2009
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posted September 09, 2009 03:16 PM
"accept yourself and the world will follow..."Powerful words katatonic! Possibly the best advice I've gotten in a long time... thank you! IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 308 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2009 03:26 PM
The point is that you've got to be in it to win it. Sure you can hope that you'll be a Lauren Hutton, heck, I am with the gap between my teeth, but how many other models do you see with gaps between their teeth today.The actress that Katatonic is talking about is Katherine Hepburn, however, she was an incredibly rich Connecticut socialite who's parents had millions of connections in the entertainment industry, so yes, she could do what she wanted. The truth about Madonna, who will not dispute this fact, is that she slept her way to the top. Many people do. Yes, you can accept yourself and that's highly recommended and needed before you can jump into the game because you won't get anywhere in life if you don't, but I'd pay attention to Agent009. I happen to know that Agent009 the real thing. Heck, you might even have a connection there if you're %110 percent prepared and ready to work hard. But if you're not prepared, Agent009 doesn't have the time to wait for you to be prepared. IP: Logged |
cpn_edgar_winner Knowflake Posts: 1242 From: Toledo, OH Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 09, 2009 03:39 PM
i didn't pick up a guitar for the first time until i was 30 years old. or start wood carving until I was 43 years old. of course i am not trying to be the next big name anything, but creative expression is what it is all about no matter the form..do what is in your heart to do.meta has a point - she wants to be a famous actress, she has a lot of competition and needs to be on her game strong and early to meet her goals.. geo has a point - you can always get a boob job and sleep your way into the good roles...avantageous entrupreners.(sp)..no more wrong than marrying well on purpose. so i guess it depends on exactly what you want and exactly how bad you want it.. if you want it real bad, no one horse town is gonna hold you for long... you are young, follow your heart, the rest will fall into place as it should. IP: Logged | |