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staborgi
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posted August 24, 2009 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all-
Was wondering what people's experiences/knowledge on the composite 12th house is. I'd be interested in any experiences of planets there and what manifested but especially if you can offer anything on the Sun or Moon or both in that position- particularly a conjunction between the two, conjunct the ASC.

Thanks

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Lonake
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posted August 24, 2009 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-how are they aspected
-what is the orb of conj the asc
-how are they aspecting each person's natal planets/angles

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personally i don't have pleasant experiences with composite h12. tendency for things to remain hidden about their relationship, things that they don't show to others, only themselves when they're alone. as in people on the outside would form an opinion about the quality of our relationship, but in reality we just put on different faces when we were "out there" and kept our stuff under wraps. the disconnect between the 2 bothered me.

the composite sun is the identity so based on how close it is to the asc it could very well be interpreted in h1 as well.

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posted August 24, 2009 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What house in your natal does the composite sun fall into, and what house does it fall in his?

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venus in gemini
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posted August 24, 2009 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Skymates II - The Composite Chart, by Steven and Jodie Forrest. Here is what they say:

Composite Sun in the Twelfth House

Loss, trouble, secret enemies - the traditional litany describing the twelfth house would be quite dispiriting for any couple who found there composite Sun placed there. If they read on, they might finally run into the notion that this house has something to do with monasteries and convents. Once through giggling about what that insight boded for their sexual life, they’d probably be eager to forget about astrology entirely and head for the bedroom.

They’d have our blessing too! Only we would encourage them to make sure to turn off the lights and light a candle or two before they lie down together. And when they were making love, we would encourage them to keep their eyes open at least part of the time. We would, in other words, encourage them to use their sexuality as a doorway into another world. With their composite Sun in the mystical twelfth house, conscious sexuality is their monastery!

What about those grim predictions in the traditional books? They are not without function. We just need to keep perspective, and allow a little wiggle room for human freedom and human consciousness. Together, they have signed up for a high stakes path; in a nutshell, they grow spiritually, or they lose everything, including each other.

All through history, mystics have practices intentionally giving up their attachments in order to get closer to the Divine. Whether we like it or not, many of us will have things we love ripped from us in the course of life - professional reversals, bereavements, the weakening of the physical body with time or disease. In response to these losses, some of us become bitter or depressed. Others turn to spirituality for solace. Many of us have witnessed the miracle of a person dying of cancer or AIDS who glows with the aura of a saint. Loss can be a doorway into spirituality.

Does this mean that our couple with the composite Sun in the twelfth house is destined to experience such losses? Not necessarily. If their relationship is truly used as an evolutionary vehicle - the actual agreement their souls made - then these losses are not necessary. It’s only if they become forgetful that these “reminders” of the transitoriness of early life are triggered.

So how do they get it right? Much of it comes down to quiet time together. Candlelight helps. Keeping spirit in their bodily relationship is critical. They may be drawn to some shared spiritual practice. That would be of great benefit to them, even if they differ in terms of theology or religion. They must of course live in “reality”, as we all do. But they can also create little pockets of peace together away from the noise and the shallowness, places where they can experience each other as consciousnesses passing briefly through this ghostly world of forms.


Composite Moon in the Twelfth House

If you’re in a relationship, here’s a feeling you know well: the sheer relief that can arise when, after a day spent with acquaintances or distant cousins, you two finally retire to your bedroom. Hooray! Tension leaves your bodies. At last you can rest and relax. Comments you’ve been dying to make can finally be said. There’s something wonderful about being alone with your partner. It meets a primal need in our psyches.

Multiply that need by a hundred, and you’ve gone a long way toward understanding a couple with the composite Moon in the twelfth house. Their happiness and well-being depend on having lots of time alone. They renew themselves through isolation.

As individuals, they may not be so reclusive. Possibly they’re both extraverts. That’s a question we can only answer with a look at their individual birth charts, not at the composite. As always, the composite is about the needs of the relationship, not necessarily those of the individuals in the relationship. Whatever this pair’s individual natures may be, we know for sure that because of their twelfth house composite Moon, too much social interaction, even happy interaction, drains their batteries.

Underlying the twelfth house composite Moon is the archetype of the mystic. This house refers to the actions motivated by spirituality. Throughout history, mystics have backed away from the world and gone apart to meditate. Something akin to that happens automatically when these two withdraw. Even if they’re not thinking in spiritual terms, the veil of the social ego naturally parts when they’re alone. That may be mystical kindergarten, but it’s a healthy first step.

Taking it further, it is profoundly healing for this couple to engage in more conscious, intentional mysticism - meditation, religious practice, yoga. Between the lofty stage and “kindergarten” are some other, less recognized steps; experiencing aesthetic rapture together, gazing silently at a perfect sunset, or riding the crest of the energy wave coming off the stage at a concert. Or just sitting quietly in a dimly lit room with no agenda other than being close and silently sensing each other.

Traditional astrologers take a far bleaker view of the twelfth house, calling it the house of troubles. They might predict misfortune, and imply that these two should part before the ax falls. As tempting as it is to dismiss such fear-mongering, there may be a little bit of truth in it. Underlying all the points we’ve made about mystical withdrawal is an evolutionary intention these two share; to grow spiritually together. They can do it the easy, natural way, which is what we’ve described so far. Or they can wait until loss or catastrophe bends their knees and compels them to turn to the world beyond this one for help and solace. The stakes are obviously high, but the darker potentialities of this configuration are optional.


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posted August 24, 2009 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in Gemini, that was really awesome!

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staborgi
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posted August 24, 2009 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
venus in gemini- thank you for that! what a wonderful excerpt. i appreciate your transcribing it.

Lonake- to answer your question, the composite sun and moon are 1.29 degrees apart. the sun is then 2.08 degrees from the composite ASC and the moon is 3.38 degrees away.

In terms of aspects within the composite, the sun/moon conj. makes a close trine with Saturn in the 8th (0-1 degrees), another with Pluto in the 8th (Saturn and Pluto are conjunct in the 8th, but the trine between the Sun/Moon and Pluto is bigger, about 5-6 degrees), a square to Jupiter in the 3rd (4-5 degrees), and an quincunx with Mars in the 7th (0-2 degrees).

Lastly, In terms of aspects between that sun/moon conjunction and our natals-- It doesn't make any aspects to his personal planets but it does square his MC (and so I'm guessing his IC too?) in a close orb (less than 1 degree). To my chart the comp. sun/moon makes a wide square to my sun (9 degrees).

Interestingly, I also had a similar experience with a relationship some years ago. Then I entered our birth info onto astro.com one day and lo and behold, major 12th house action! It wasn't the personal planets as in this case, but a load of them were cramped in there! Anyway, I don't know why that relationship didn't work out for you but in my case I was actually so disturbed by the way we were in private v.s. what I felt we were NOT my comparison in public situations it made it impossible for me. I got very confused, felt like certain aspects of our relationship were becoming a lie because that sort of private/public duality didn't gel into one...

MyVirgoMask- the composite sun/moon falls in my 12th and his 1st.

I so appreciate any knowledge you have to share. Thank you guys Looking forward to hearing your thoughts

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Lonake
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posted August 25, 2009 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi staborgi i agree with your statement, similar to mine, that there was a disconnect that didn't make sense/or that felt uncomfortable.

in this present case the orbs are close enough to where you could consider them manifesting in both houses, but primarily, my opinion, in the 1st. so it could be that the identity is fused with the emotional atmosphere of the relationship, so this equates to a very strong approach, a relationship that is headed somewhere: has a purpose/knows what it wants [sun conj moon]. this has influence in h12 but very closely aspecting the asc, so whatever is coming into form, and it will be coming into form strongly, has its roots in something that is privately shared but it will also be made public, so there's less chance of a disconnect. the trines are very strong with saturn in h8, can be a good aspect but h8 in composite can easily turn quite convoluted. this is potentially a very strong focused partnership. saturn and pluto h8 can be very inhibiting personally on one side (only a potential) but can be good for a business like partnership carrying out plans and securing finances/material benefits for the 2. squaring his ic/mc axis i would think the direction it takes him would be something that might strain his involvement with work and family (what he comes home to) on a personal level. not be completely adverse but he would need to learn how to integrate it into his mode of being since if he's involved in the relationship it will be steering him in a new direction. you say it falls in his 1st, this is not as adverse, it will tend to strengthen his view of himself, he'll feel more present with the world and actually be made much more aware of how he functions within society, how to better get his needs met and be seen. i guess the asc falls in his 1st as well? then the previous comment will be emphasized. in your 12th the sun moon focus, where the relationship is headed, may make you feel exposed and sometimes in need of running for cover. you say it doesn't make many aspects with your chart so i would think it's not a very strong indicator towards feeling exposed or vulnerable in a negative sense.

you know there is a man named Todd and he posts on here, he's really fabulous with reading composites alone and he incorporates midpoints as well. if you post yours there's a chance (dont know how much) that he'll add his opinion. i respect how he works with the charts very much and he's very forthright, getting to the point very quickly, excellent with synthesis. he also posts on astrodienst as well, but i believe under a different username, but also giving great composite readings there as well.

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posted August 27, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake- Thanks so much for your insights. I really appreciate it.

And I'll take your suggestion- this is the composite below is anyone has any insights to offer, I would be thrilled. thanks again

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Lara
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posted August 28, 2009 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Venus in Gemini!!
I have composite moon conjunct NN in 12th with this guy in my thread and it sounds like a perfect aspect for us! :-)

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Mystic Melody
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posted January 30, 2014 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good info

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