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staborgi
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posted August 24, 2009 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Hi
Has anyone ever looked at their venus returns during significantly venus-y years or significantly non-venus-y year? Can you share what house positions and aspects or other observations stood out and how they manifested? Next Dec. my sun, venus, and pluto will conjunct my ASC in my venus return and I'm curious to see what that brings about so if anyone can offer thoughts on that, please do! thanks

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posted August 30, 2009 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 30, 2009 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
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posted August 30, 2009 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Is there a way to do a Venus return chart on Astro.com? I can't figure it out.

I had my Venus Return on Thursday and it was a magical day. Minus, of course, romance.

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posted August 30, 2009 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't been able to find a way on astro.com. I had to just buckle down and figure it out myself trial and error style.

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posted August 30, 2009 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
And magical how? Share please!

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posted August 30, 2009 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
The weather was beautiful, and the day was filled with good food and good friends, and I just felt really peaceful and happy and alive, like those were the people I belonged with and all was well.

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posted August 30, 2009 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
my venus return are not many day from my solarreturn this year.
I have in venusreturn venus conj sun(in 12 house) opp pluto. In solar return i have venus(in house 1) conj asc. It also opposite pluto(house7) but much wider orb.

I will think it would be a year including some kind of love. Im not good at solar/venus return and i hope you get someone who can get you answer. Im also intrested to know.

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posted August 30, 2009 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
hi starborgi

what would you class as a venus-y year? I'm not sure what that means!

My venus return was on 19 June (only took three attempts on astro.com to work it out hehe) .. and tMars was conjunct Venus followed closely by the Moon (6-7 degrees away) in the 3rd, tPluto conjunct Neptune in the 11th. Saturn was sitting in my 7th house. Mercury conjunct my natal lunar North Node. The gang of three were hovering closely conjunct 3 degree away from my ASC in the 1st. (they have since gone back over my ASC with Chiron now cj my ASC today ) Uranus in 2nd exact square Sun in 5th - this is my chart ruler exact square my DSC ruler.

I don't remember that day exactly but it was a Friday - a venus-y day - and I was most probably with my boyfriend at the time (we work together too) so probably spent the night at his house oh wait... no .. he wanted the to himself and then the next day didnt want me to see him either (okay it's all coming back now) so I was upset on my Venus return day. He ended up having his ex over instead which made me very upset (he said he wanted time alone, then had her over). Not a nice venus return. I tried to make it nice but didn't work out that way.

I wonder what this year will bring Venus-wise! lol ... The aspects are all very intense!

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posted August 30, 2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I just did mine. It was a pain! I got it down to the second so the houses would be accurate. It took forever.

The angles are all exactly the same as my natal chart. This must be significant, because it is with SR's.

Venus is in the 8th conjunct sun. It's also my chart ruler.

That's all I remember off the top of my head.

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posted August 30, 2009 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
It's also trine mars in the 4th/5th and square uranus in the 11th. No idea what this may mean right now....

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posted August 30, 2009 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
By "venus-y" I was just thinking years when Venus themes were very prominent in your life- romantically, artistically, financially...

Anyway, been poking around the internet, found these. The first is pretty much the most informative-
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/venusreturn.html
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astrology-2205/2008/5/Venus-Returns.htm

I just looked somewhere where it mentioned that Venus returns make more sense against the backdrop of the natal so I guess that's worth looking into as well


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posted August 30, 2009 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Also- I was hoping people might share their venus returns from significant years, and maybe that will help illuminate more about how to interpret them in the future. I'll go first-

This was the year I first really fell hard for someone and it really changed how I thought about myself- all the way into how I carried myself, took care of myself, communicated with others. I think that's supported by the 1st house stellium and in particular the fact that Venus is on the ASC, the Sun is in the 1st, and Mercury (maybe the shift in how I was communicating with others, that relationship itself was also very talk-heavy which I think is supported by its super tight conjunction with Venus here too) and Pluto (the change in how I perceived myself, and the fact that its conjunct Venus as well supports that it was a very intense involvement, very intuitive, and to this day has marked me and changed me forever) are are all on the ASC with Venus as well. My appearance also changed a lot that year and I was very confident in that sense.
Jupiter is in a wide conjunction with my return MC- this was also a super social year for me. I threw in Eros into the return chart too because Eros is pretty prominent in my chart (conjunct the Sun) and it makes total sense to me that its conjunct the MC- that year I felt I was actually getting hit on a lot and could tell that I was being perceived more sexually by others - even close friends suddenly saw me more in that light.
The return Saturn is also conjunct (albeit in a wide orb) the vertex- I think this is reflective of a couple of things. Natally, I have Saturn conjunct my Venus and Saturn transits to my Venus have always triggered significant events for me romantically so it makes sense that Saturn is conjunction my vertex for a romantically significant year's Venus Return. I think its also reflective of the fact that this relationship developed really slowly.

I also just compared the above Venus return to my natal and some more interesting aspects are there! Namely- Venus return Sun conjunct my Moon (I think this must signify a significant relationship, one that really touched me) and the Venus Return MC/Eros conjunct my natal Vertex/DSC.

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posted August 31, 2009 06:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
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what would you class as a venus-y year? I'm not sure what that means!

#6 years during the 9 year cycle.

Where are you in the cycle?

Sun Sign + Birthday + Current Year

...added together until you get a number between 1 & 9

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posted August 31, 2009 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lovelyleo     Edit/Delete Message
Nine, help me

i am leo
8.12.1967
2009

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posted August 31, 2009 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I had 2 Venus returns this year because of the Venus Retrograde (Venus actually stationed on my natal Venus at 29 Pisces). I think you're only supposed to count the first time it passes. Anyway on my Venus Return I got a UTI. Very romantic.

Anyway, I'd look for exact conjunctions or oppositions, house positions in Natal and VR, and angular positions. Just like a Solar Return.

Nine, what numbers correspond to each sign again? I can't find the post where you explained it and I tried googling but no luck.

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posted August 31, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
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Anyway on my Venus Return I got a UTI. Very romantic

Very. If that won't put you in the mood for love, I don't know what will.

My VR vertex is even in the exact same degree and sign as my natal vertex, and in the same house since my whole VR chart has the same angles as my natal - exact - weird.

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posted September 01, 2009 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Ok. It was not fun to looking in my venus return for that year and for next year who started in maj . I dont know how that´s working out. The only thing I know its not working out good. Big square to my venus from 19 maj 2010. Venus opposite pluto conj ceres. Venus square uranus conj jup, Venus square saturn... Huuhh.. saturn conj MC. Venus in house 8.

This year my venus opposite pluto square uranus.
moon opposite merkur and that square my uranus.
Venus in house 12.

When I am looking at my Venusreturn chart I know a new love not walking in to my life. My Sec progress chart with venus conj my sun/asc and my asc progress conj my uranus (ruler of hous 7)I know that not including a new relationship. It must mean something else....

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posted September 01, 2009 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Meh, my Venus return last year was so-so. I don't think it was anything HUGE. I think Venus is about pleasant things in general... not necessarily love always, or even romance with a person.

Also, someone told me that with Venus being 'activated' it's important to have a 'hard' planet activate it because it's waaay too passive by itself. Well, I had my Mars come up to activate it, and I GUESS some stuff happened. Yes, there was romance AROUND that time (about 4 weeks later), but nothing substantial. Nothing sticking. I think a weightier planet that's more slow-moving might make a Venus Return bear some weight, since Venus can be such a s*** sometimes.

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posted September 01, 2009 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Nine

I am a sun Taurus .. would that = 2?

Do I add together the numbers of my birthdate as they do in numerology? I actually added them as 1+2 + 5 + 1+9+8+4 etc not 12 + 5 + 1984.

If so, then this year for me is 7. Actually funnily enough I calculated it both ways and ended up with 7 both times! (Maybe this is how it works?! lol)

So, last year was a venus-y year for me.

I bought my first house and renovated it. Everyone who has seen it likes the colour scheme I chose, furniture and bathroom style

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posted September 01, 2009 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
MVM. My moon are hart pressed this year. Next year from maj 2010 my moon in trine to uranus, jupiter, moon sextile saturn, moon sextile sun and thats must feels good for all events.
I will believe that venus appear to advantage when moon is in positiv aspect. Feeling in harmoni. Noo stress. Only emotional stress as far as maj 2010....

Venus hard aspect as opposite and square in venusreturn it must be importent to looking at moon aspect. It describe the feeling of in the year.
Isn´t that so?

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posted September 01, 2009 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I'd rather look at Venus in the Solar Return to look at romantic,love,relationship stuff. It seems to have played out for me.

The Solar Return and the Lunar Return are the only Returns that I look at for forecasts. I am a strong believer in those charts, seeing how they have really played out my life.

like when I got dumped by my exgf
the solar return chart that I had for the period that she dumped me was a grand cross of Moon in 17'13 Gemini in 12th,Venus in 18'52 Virgo in 4th,Jupiter in 19'03 Sagittarius in 6th,Uranus in 15'03 R Pisces in 10th. I really felt that sucker! It played out in every way possible in negative ways.

The Solar Return before that had Sun-Venus-Mars conjunction in Scorpio in 8th,and that really played out! Intimacy,passion,and "I love you"'s with my exgirlfriend.


My current solar return has Venus in Sagittarius in 4th with no aspects, and it conjunct the Imum Coeli, but no joy

but it conjuncts the asteroid,Moran the last name of the senior minister whose interfaith unity church that I joined the end of May this year. I have Moran stationary direct in my 7th conjunct my descendant in my natal chart. It makes me wonder if I will meet my future wife through the church that I go to.


In my next solar return period which is coming up in 2 months,

Venus is in 17'01 Libra in 11th trine Jupiter in 17'33 Aquarius in 3rd

It looks like love,relationships through friendships, communities in harmony with expansion,optimism in communications.
It looks like positive thinking that can help me in my lovelife this year. It fits with law of attraction, and I already created a vision board of the woman that I want to attract in my life to marry and have children with. It looks like a very beneficial social life that will involving opportunities for romantic relationships. It also can indicate that my love-life can be very beneficial. This configuration could also fit with me finding somebody at church,lecturing,seminar,workshop.
A psychic(at the last healing arts fair that I went to) told me that I am going to meet a woman at some type of lecture too. She actually refused me to pay her because I help my mom out. That was very cool. It's not common to get a free psychic reading. I will have to see if she's right. Only time can tell.

according to my Solar Return report for October 28 2009:

Return Venus in the Return 11th House
Benefic Venus in your Return 11th House tends to stimulate your social life. Friends and colleagues may assist you in pursuing your goals or realizing a dream. Income from career may increase. Enjoyable times can be had at functions sponsored by clubs, societies, and organizations. You may be asked to assume a position of leadership in a group or organization. You are likely to make new friends, and a friendly relationship could turn into a romance.

Return Venus trine Return Jupiter:
These benefic planets promise good fortune in the year ahead. Favors, popularity, gifts, prizes, awards, social invitations, and financial benefits come your way. You are able to share your happiness with others. Some fall in love or marry under this influence. Musical and artistic projects go well. This auspicious aspect does much to lessen the intensity of stressful trends elsewhere in the Return chart. Help will be available when you need it. The only downside may be overindulgence or having too much of a good thing.

Return Jupiter in the Return 3rd House
Jupiter in the Return 3rd House places an emphasis on teaching, learning, writing, travel, and communication. You are able to comprehend complex subjects and explain them in such a way that others can readily understand. Opportunities for travel or advanced study may present themselves. This might be a good time to learn a foreign language or to take a course over the Internet. You may decide to buy a new car. Benefits come through visits, short trips, messages, emails; or contacts with siblings, kin, and neighbors. Some sort of positive news or announcement often accompanies this placement. Students do well in school. Authors find it easy to write and to get their works published. People in commerce discover that sales are especially strong. Scientists gather important information that advances their research.

there are no other planets aspecting Venus


My Natal Uranus in 15'17 Libra conjuncts my Solar Return Venus ,and that can indicate sudden love opportunities

My solar return report has the following interpretation for it:

Return Venus conjunct Natal Uranus can bring a sudden unexpected love into your life. Old love affairs may just as rapidly come to an end. This is a time of pleasant surprises. You may decide to revamp your wardrobe and modernize other aspects of your personal appearance. If you are musically or artistically inclined, your muse will now supply you with a wealth of innovative ideas. This aspect sometimes coincides with getting engaged or having a child.

if looking deeply into the chart by looking at the big transneptunian objects


Solar Return Transneptunian dwarf planet/Haumea is in 16'27 Virgo,and so it closely conjuncts my Solar Return Venus and closely trine my Solar Return Jupiter. Haumea is the 4th largest dwarf planet after Eris,Pluto,and Makemake. It's no mere little object. Therefore,it should be highly influential with it being closely conjunct Venus in the Solar Return. It's named after the Hawaiian fertility/creation goddess too. My lovelife could involve fertility and creativity.
With Haumea being a transneptunian dwarf planet, my lovelife could involve evolutionary intensified experiences that can help me with my spiritual growth. There could be the feeling of finding that soul partner.


Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Haumea:

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees)

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/


I will definitely go for the positive Haumea stuff and avoid the negative Haumea stuff.

another thing to is that Haumea is prominent in my chart any way. I have Haumea in 11'16 Virgo conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant axis in 13'27 Virgo and square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius. I also have Venus sextile Haumea with 52 minutes of arc in Right Ascension which is equatorial longitude that is the primary coordinate that astronomers use to locate objects.

as for asteroids,

well....

Aphrodite in 17'46 Gemini R in 8th trines Venus-Haumea in 11th and Jupiter in 3rd.

All trines of the Venus,Jupiter,and Aphrodite Grand Trine are less than 1 degree orb.


Yeah.......I am looking very forward to my next Solar Return period.

I ready to rock!!! pun intended hahahahaha

I do believe that the placement,aspects of Venus in Solar Return really do play out.

why not check them out,and see if they play out in your life?
especially look at the big transneptunian objects (Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion)

some of the most difficult relationships could be reflected by Solar Return Venus in hard aspect to those transneptunians.


I wish everybody success in love!
I know how hard it is to find that special somebody. It really sucks when you do find that special somebody and then you lose that person the love wasn't strong enough to overcome obstacles and other's negative views. The way I see it, I believe that as long as love is mutual and true, I shouldn't care what people think and should follow my heart.


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted September 01, 2009 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
IS this the venus return?seing the transits,and when T Venus cj N Venus,is that it?cause..it is so little time..

nevertheless it is here

on 19th September...it is on that day that my bf will arrive from a business trip to Taiwan!

the best is that also T.Valentine will cj Venus as well..i hope it will be a very romantic time....

this is hilarious but i went to see the last time T.Venus passed by my Natal Venus and guess what????

it was on the day my currenf bf and I got intimate for the 1st time!!!!
Tr Amor was also cj N.Venus!

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posted September 01, 2009 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes I find Solar returns a little too general and like to look at specific planets returns for a little more specificity. This year I had a lot of benefactor 5th house action and a north node conjunct my DSC and yet no romantic action- not complaining, just saying my instincts would have said "oh this will be a year where that's somehow relevant" and AT LEAST for creative/artistic things (which is important to me, another reason I like to look at VR's)- which even that didn't seem to come through really- I guess there are 3 more months for things to change and prove me wrong...but prob not really. Anyway, a look at my Venus Return though clarified that for me...but I don't think you can really get too specific with Venus returns. Just aspects (moreso hard ones) to and placement of Venus, the placement of the sun, planets on the angles and aspects to the natal when significant. beyond that I find I just end up in confusing/vague territory

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posted September 01, 2009 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
How are Solar Returns a little too general?

5th house can mean creativity,self expression,and/or children. It could also be even entertainment and fun.

north node conjunct descendant. That could be associations,connections,meetings with others in general. It could be a partnership,relationship of any kind. It wouldn't necessarily be romantic.

It would be interesting to know what else was in the solar return. There are things that could modify.

of course, it good to compare the natal with the solar return....look for any conjunctions.

the main themes tend to show with the placement/aspects of the Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant axis,and the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis.
Mercury,Venus,Mars are personal players
the rest are more like background.

Of course, free will is the ultimate too.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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