posted August 26, 2009 01:12 AM         

I don't know if any of these indicate a bad temper, but I know I have one. It seems to me temper has kept me from marrying. It seems my temper is the one thing that gives my boyfreinds pause to take it further.

And I say F**K THEM! They just cant' stand a strong women so pffft. lol.. j/k...well sorta.

I honestly have a long fuse, and with my neptune square venus, I put up with alot, without saying a peep. And then something happens that is just too much, and I lose it. Seemingly out of the blue. And it's not pretty. Fists fly, glasses fly, harsh words are screamed at you, two inches from your face..... but like I said it takes alot. And it goes away quickly, like 15 minutes.

SO my question is two fold.
Do you have a bad temper, and if so, what do think describes it in your natal chart?

posted August 26, 2009 01:42 AM         

my indicators are complexed.......I strongly believe that not only Mars is involved but also Pluto and its fellow transneptunians

my indicators:

Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio

Moon in Pisces conjunct Mars in Aquarius

Mercury-Venus square Mars

Sun conjunct dwarf planet candidate plutino,Ixion - '05

Sun contraparallel dwarf planet candidate plutino,Orcus - '01

Sun contraparallel dwarf planet Pluto - '46

Sun conjunct heliocentric South Eris Node - '10

Sun conjunct true Black Moon Lilith - '22

transneptunian dwarf planet Eris in Aries R conjunct Chiron in Aries in 8th

Moon square transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Varuna - '10

Mercury square transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake

Mercury conjunct heliocentric South Mars Node - 1'00

Ascendant square heliocentric Uranus Nodes - '25

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 26, 2009 02:03 AM         

I think it comes from the huge amount of fire in her chart (6 planets, and her AC and MC). She also has Sun square Uranus (in fire signs), Mars square Venus and quincunx Uranus (only aspects, no flowing ones), and Sun conjunct Jupiter in Aries. Basically a lot of energy directed towards Mars with limited outlets except for Venus, which is in very sensitive Pisces.

posted August 26, 2009 09:05 AM         

Scorpio AC
Scorpio Mars is in 1st.
Cancer Moon in 10th (conj MC exact)
Virgo Sun in 11th.

Mars is trine Moon
Mars sextile Sun

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I'm not known for having a temper, and I am more known for being full of sh*t when angry because I become sarcastic and hurl biting comments all over the place.

Like the last fight I had, I didn't much participate in it. The person wanted me to "discuss" the issue, as people usually do, but I was not in the mood to discuss anything. I found it rather a waste of my time, because I knew where the discussion was going to end, WHERE it STARTED! Then he started huffing and puffing, and I stopped him in his tracks and said," Listen, here! Do you honestly think that all these theatrics are going to force me to speak about this right now?"

Then he said that it was always on my terms and that I always do what I want, 'blah blah' and I never give people their platform to speak. I responded by saying that we will speak some other time when I feel like it, and he asked "what if" he wasn't in the mood to speak then. I was surprised that he thought I cared whether he was in the mood next time, because he brought the whole thing up, not me.

And I gave him a look, and said, "So, be it" and he stopped talking and left.

I had a smile on my face during all of it but my eyes were not smiling at all, which drives people even madder. I smile because I am usually in shock at the audacity of some people, as I honestly think it is a huge joke that anyone would "pressure" me with their Mini-Me evil tactics like this one did. As if! At the end of the conversation, I almost said, "Run along now" but I thought against it.

posted August 26, 2009 09:21 AM         

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I say horrible things that are usually right on the mark (sag sun) and feel terrible about it afterwards.

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I think them and not say them because I know how much they'll hurt.

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I used to do alot of throwing, breaking stuff, but then I got tired of replacing it.

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posted August 26, 2009 10:26 AM         

Virgo Moon square Gemini Venus gives me a sharp tongue as well.

My Taurus Sun square Leo Saturn, and Saturn trining Venus might be what helps me control everything? Thank God I can control it. I dont like getting angry at all. Totally wipes me out.

Now you'll all think i'm a psycho, if you already dont.

posted August 26, 2009 10:34 AM         

it was suposed her to be really nice and all with her cancer NN right?...but

when she feels threatened by others ideas or views or behaviuour..get outta there!!

HER ego mechanisme is both the criticism in excess ( Vitgo asc probably) and the Victim beahviour in order to make us feel guilty.

she has pluto opose mars
pluto is in leo she has a lot of proud issues...
sun sk uranus
moon in Gem square ASC

posted August 26, 2009 11:07 AM         

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I have a Leo Mars square Scorpio Uranus. THE very bad temper aspect. I can control it even though sometimes it's hard to. I've got the "glare" that can scare any off when need be too. When I do lose it, it's not a pretty sight. I have been known to break things or tear up entire rooms to smithereens and in very bad cases get physical though I've never beat anyone up. It only happens if you touch me first. Man or woman, it doesnt matter. I'll get in your face, nose to nose, and you WILL back off and lose. I've sent grown men running out the door and cowering somewhere safe. Not for no good reason of course and only when I have to, have been pushed or "pushed too far". Linda describes it rather well, in Sun Signs (Taurus female) I scare the bejeezus out of myself and others when this happens and I dont like it. Thankfully this kind of rage is rare. And it takes me days to recover. My Sun is conjunct Algol. I'm usually able to give people enough 'warning signs' in order that it doesnt come to this. I have PTSD and can't handle stress the way I used to either.
Virgo Moon square Gemini Venus gives me a sharp tongue as well.

My Taurus Sun square Leo Saturn, and Saturn trining Venus might be what helps me control everything? Thank God I can control it. I dont like getting angry at all. Totally wipes me out.

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Brave of you T to post those things. And no, the psycho part...your online persona is so calm, and centered, fun too.

Along with your Sun and MC (Algol)- what you posted was very similar to my temper--except for the breaking things part. Maybe my Virgo ASC disallows that button.

I have 4 T-Squares and one of them is Moon / Mars / Jupiter-
Pluto is Trine Mars

Anyway the look is one that can singe the eyebrows off peoples heads. The Medusa..

posted August 26, 2009 11:33 AM         

I'm not sure what transits or aspects show the postpartum phase...

posted August 26, 2009 11:38 AM         

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Anyway the look is one that can singe the eyebrows off peoples heads. The Medusa..

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!!!! "The Medusa" priceless! and so true.

Have you been using this handy weaponry since childhood too? It should be a martial art form. It can be very quick and effective method to annihilate your enemy or instigator. But the look must be shot quickly, directly on target, with force and held steadily for it to work.

posted August 26, 2009 01:23 PM         

well.....men can't really talk smack about hormone issues and PMS.

We have our own. It's called "Irritable Male Syndrome" It has to do with drops,fluctuations in testosterone in male mammals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_Male_Syndrome http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53725 http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lifestyle/html/20050402t070000-0500_77971
_obs_male_pms.asp

Why should I be aware of this?

Most of the professional research has shown, and assumptions have been made from real-life experiences, that women suffered from depression at twice the rate as males. But according to new research, men often experience depression in different ways than women. And often, irritability and anger and hypersensitivity are male aspects of depression that often go unrecognized.

The volatile mood swings of the syndrome can wreak havoc in a man's closest relationships. Stress is destroying marriages and destroying relationships as now there are more new and more deadly stresses that we face than ever before. It can come from too much traffic, to what’s happening to our country. As a result, male stress tends to be taken out on the partners that they are in relationship with.
[edit] All about Irritable Male Syndrome

Northern California psychotherapist Jed Diamond in his most recent book, "The Irritable Male Syndrome: Managing the Four Key Causes of Aggression and Depression", stresses that men - like women - suffer effects from the loss of hormones as they age. In men, the effects show up as everything from irritable mood swings and flagging sex drive to loss of muscle strength and male identity.

The truth is men are as hormonally driven as women. In fact, men have a number of hormonal cycles: [1]

* Men's testosterone, for instance, varies and goes up and down four or five times an hour.
* There are daily cycles with testosterone being higher in the morning and lower at night.
* Men have a monthly hormonal cycle that is unique to each man, but men can actually track their moods and recognize they are related to hormonal changes through the month.
* Hormonal cycles with males during adolescence is known. But the years between 40 and 55 have what is called male menopause or andropause.
* Finally, there are hormonal changes in men going through IMS, related to stress in a man's life.

Women go through hormonal changes that cause cessation of the menstrual period, resulting in the inability to reproduce. Men don't lose their reproductive abilities, but some experience a decrease in testosterone levels.
[edit] Four key causes

The "Irritable Male Syndrome" offers four key causes to male irritability, according to Diamond. [2]

* Decrease in testosterone. The more men feel less "like themselves," the angrier they feel. Research on animals in Scotland showed rams and reindeer bit the metal in their cages, as well as other animals, when their testosterone levels dipped. When levels were high, they danced and mated.
* Irritability is caused by stress, biochemical changes in the brain and changes in male identity and male roles in society.
* They're conflicted, Diamond said, because roles once unique to men, such as being a breadwinner for the family, have shifted as women have entered the workforce, either by choice or out of necessity.
* The crux of the problem is the feeling that there's no real role anymore that is unique to men. That women can get along without them makes them question: Am I worth anything? What is my role?

[edit] Most common symptoms

* Hypersensitivity — gets worked over least of things
* Anxiety — Worries even when things seem to be fine.
* Frustration — Frustration at times brings him to explosion point
* Depression — If not classic symptoms like sadness, feelings of worthlessness, or thoughts of death, he definitely isn’t happy and he’s often irritable.
* Loss of sexual desire — not as interested in sex as before
* Erectile dysfunction — even when he’s interested he may have problems with erections.
* Fatigue — His energy level is often low even after adequate rest.

[edit] CopperBytes

* IMS is nothing to mess around with, and is a subject deserving of more research.
* IMS is most noticeable in mid-life men who are in a relationship. However, it is present in males of all ages regardless of relationships or lack thereof.
* IMS is but the tip of the iceberg, Jed advises, that can "lead down one side to anger, rage, and violence and down the other side to sadness, depression, and suicide.”

[3]
Men's midlife crisis is just one aspect of male menopause

Now researchers say it's not just women who undergo menopause. Even men experience midlife crisis. The only difference is that men do not acknowledge that they, just like women, suffer effects from the loss of hormones as they age. But, Northern California psychotherapist Jed Diamond has said that in men the effects show up as everything from irritable mood swings and flagging sex drive to loss of muscle strength and male identity.
http://www.copperwiki.org/index.php/Irritable_Male_Syndrome

I do feel that hormonal issues are overlooked in males too.

testosterone used to be used an antidepressant too. Drops in testosterone can lead to depression in men. http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20040203/low-testosterone-cause-depression http://www.menalive.com/ims-splash.htm http://www.medibolics.com/TestosteroneDepression.htm

I can totally relate to this stuff. I can acknowledge my own PMS moodiness/irritability. Like I said before, hormonal causes aren't really considered when it comes to men nearly as much as it is for women.

for me, I believe that my own IMS stuff is more pronounced because I have high estrogen levels to begin with.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 26, 2009 01:31 PM         

i have mars conj uranus but they are in cancer and pretty nicely aspected - i used to have a set of dishes set aside to throw at the wall when i REALLY needed to let off steam.