posted August 26, 2009 02:19 PM         

Men with feminine finger ratios (index and finger finger the same length) or (index fingers longer than ring finger) are more sensitive,emotional than the average male. They are more likely to be more moody than the average male. PMS could be pronounced in those types of males.

the following is an article:

Look down at your right hand. Is your ring finger longer than your index finger? Or vice versa? To be certain, take a ruler and measure from the bottom crease of each finger to the tip.

The measurements tell you something about the environment of your mother's womb just weeks after your conception, a time when your fingers, and more importantly, your brain, were developing. Because of the influx of sex hormones at this prenatal stage, men tend to have ring fingers that are slightly longer than their index fingers. In women, these fingers are usually the same length or the index digit is just a bit longer.

Digits are subtly affected by testosterone and estrogen produced in the womb by the fetus (not by the mother). Between weeks 8 and 14, tiny fetal testes, ovaries and adrenal glands secrete the baby's own supply of sex hormones. These chemical messengers, particularly testosterone, cause chain reactions in the body, spurring the growth of the genitals, encouraging and inhibiting growth in brain regions and causing changes in the fingers. Many scientists believe relative finger length—or digit ratio—is a marker for brain differences molded by hormones. Like a bit of prenatal graffiti, a longer ring finger says, "Testosterone was here."

John Manning, a biologist at the University of Liverpool, first identified digit length as a sign of prenatal hormones eight years ago. He believes digit ratio is an important, if indirect, tool for studying the fetal brain and the womb, an environment that's off-limits to scientists except for analysis by amniocentesis. (And even then, because sex hormones fluctuate hour by hour, amniocentesis is a poor indicator of testosterone exposure.)

"Early sex hormones have an organizing effect on the brain that's permanent," Manning says. But the differences between the sexes aren't all that interesting to biologists. More telling are the variations within each sex. Females with masculine digit ratios have more masculine behaviors, he says. Likewise, males with a typically female ratio exhibit more typically feminine behaviors.

A study of digit ratio in Scottish preschool children between the ages of 2 and 4 found strong relationships between digit ratio and gender-normative behavior. Girls with masculine-type finger ratios tend to have higher hyperactivity scores and more problems relating to their peers than do other girls. The same study, published in Early Human Development, found that boys with female-type finger lengths are on average more emotional than other boys. "They tended to be very sensitive," says Manning.

Except for genitalia, relative finger length is the only physical trait fixed at birth that is sexually dimorphic—meaning males and females show typical gender differences. Other sexually dimorphic traits, such as height and waist-to-hip ratio, don't appear until puberty.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200506/sexuality-your-telltale-fingertips http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-10/bis-aft102004.php http://www.psychdaily.com/article/637/ http://www.theage.com.au/national/our-health-in-our-hands-20090207-80gk.html?skin=text-only

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my index finger is longer than my ring fingers on both hands,and so I have very feminine finger ratios. That means that I was exposed to more estrogen in my mother's womb. It also indicates my being more emotional than other males and that I tend to be very sensitive. It also means that I am more prone to depression. It also means that I am more likely to be less fertile. It also means that I am more prone to having a heart attack. I am also very rightbrained.

I had hormone testing back in 2006 at Veteran Affairs Hospital (I am a military veteran), and I urged the doctor to get my estrogen levels checked. He only checked for the male hormone stuff like teostosterone,LSH,FSH,and Prolactin. I had to really push to get the estrogen tests done.

according to the estrogen levels testing

the result was 163 pg/ML

ESTROGENS, TOAL REFERENCE RANGE:

PREPUBERTAL - less than 40 pg/mL
ADULT MALE: - 40 - 115 pg/mL

as you see, I was over the maximum by 48 pg/mL

My total testosterone is 219 ng/dL
The Reference Range is 175 to 781

I was right about my high estrogen levels and to push for the doctor to get them tested.

any ways, as a person with high estrogen levels, it would be logical for me to have a more pronounced Irritable Male Syndrome.

I take Irwin Naturals Men's Living Liquid Gel Multi-Vitamin to deal with hormonal levels.

I am not sure what are astrological indicators for my hormonal differences. I am not sure if astrologers should be looking at planetary afflictions. Maybe hormonal differences aren't a bad thing. Therefore, maybe hormonal differences aren't shown by planetary afflictions. I also wonder if Pluto's fellow transneptunians are involved too. I read that Pluto has to do with endocrine system too. Maybe the other transnetpunians do too. They can be about divergence too, especially Sedna and Eris.

but yeah.......if males have problems with their temper and controlling their emotions, they might have hormonal issues themselves. They could be worth checking out. I also want to point out that hormonal issues shouldn't excuse a man acting like a jerk that treats people like crap. That goes for women too.
no person should be abused in any type of way. zero tolerance.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 26, 2009 04:03 PM         

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I don't know if any of these indicate a bad temper, but I know I have one. It seems to me temper has kept me from marrying. It seems my temper is the one thing that gives my boyfreinds pause to take it further.

And I say F**K THEM! They just cant' stand a strong women so pffft. lol.. j/k...well sorta.

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My aries mars says...... "YOU TELL 'EM!"

posted August 26, 2009 04:13 PM         

Leo Mars square Taurus Moon. My Leo Mars is also square my Scorpio Venus. Yep. Terrible.

posted August 26, 2009 04:33 PM         

just like a man with a bad temper doesn't equate to a strong man

in a way, it could mean that they are weaker emotionally........even spiritually.....like dealing with the ego issues like the painbody that Eckhart Tolle talked about in his book, A New Earth.

I can admit my own ego/painbody issues and their connection with anger. I know what words trigger me very badly like racial slurs,words implying that I am not intelligent, and gay slurs because I was called those things in the past,and those were from not knowing me. Of course, getting hit by somebody can really throw me into a rage. Even threats of harm to me can make me extremely angry. I stay out fights. I am introvert person,and so I tend to keep to myself. Of course, having an extremely sensitive nervous system/sensory integration issues, I can be easily overwhelmed by what goes on in my surroundings. I am overly stimulated,I tend to get very upset. It doesn't help that I tend to be impulsive which makes me more prone to react without thinking of the consequences.

I believe that males and females should be equally held accountable for how they express their emotions and how they act.

Therefore, I don't believe that females should be look down upon compared to males because of their bad tempers as well how they express their feelings in a way that they seem irrational.

However,I feel that we should deal with double standards when it comes to the perceptions of moodiness,irritability of males compared to females. Like I said before, being a jerk which doesn't excuse the behavior of both males and females. It's wrong for a female to hit,and even slap a male just as it is wrong for male to hit,and even slap a female. However, I do believe in self defense, but I have to say that it's tricky for a male to defend against a female. It's probably best for the male to do everything that he can to walk away and just get out of the female's sight. Of course, if she's pounding on him with her fists,I don't see anything wrong with his removing her hands off him and actually hold her arms to keep her from hitting him again unless he's fast enough to move away from her without getting hit again.

In society,it's more acceptable for a female to fight off her male attacker.

it's just very complexed.

I don't believe that either sex is weaker in general. I believe that both sexes can take care of themselves.

one of the things that I like about Astrology is that it shows that males and females have similarities.

an astrological aspect,placement doesn't discriminate against a male nor a female just like it doesn't against a black person nor a white person. Astrology shows that we all have similarities and differences. In a way, I believe that belief in Astrology help us understand the common ground that we all have with each other as humans beings with souls. Therefore,things like racism and sexism would be understood as ignorance of the common ground that we have with each other.

As a multiracial person with sex-hormonal divergence, I guess I am drawn to Astrology because of mainly those things.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 26, 2009 09:43 PM         

It takes a lot to get me mad (and having a bad day on top of it wouldn't help matters) and show my anger. When I was younger, showed it a lot more and didn't hold back the anger...

My Aqua Moon takes over more now...and many people say, "you don't come across as the type who gets mad, ever"...I'm like :::but if you knew what I was thinking about you, you wouldn't say that:::. I stay cool and detached now and is probably more of a learned response, knowing how my Sun, Mars & Asc all in Sag (first house all) can really be: like Donald Duck after drinking too many cups of coffee watching playoff games. I have a lot of natural energy without needing anything to encourage me

Plus, as I get older, take more in stride and probably irritate people a lot with my detached responses then they're trying to **** me off on purpose.

posted August 26, 2009 10:35 PM         

When someone is getting on my nerves, I'll usually psychoanalyze them in my head and just try to understand why they are acting up. But if it goes beyond that, that's when I get into a blank rage. I start tearing. Not because I'm hurt or want to cry, but because I'm so angry that I know I can't punch a hole in that persons head without going to jail.

I'm usually a peacemaker, libra moon, with a high tolerance level before getting angry and exploding, gem sun and merc. I guess the psychoanalyzing comes from Virgo asc and Mars.

I remember when I was younger, I used to punch holes in the wall and break things when it got to that point. But afterwards, I'd just be mad at myself for breaking my own stuff.

I'm more like Unmoved, before it gets to that nuclear point, and somewhere after psychoanalyzing, if necessary, I will say the most scathing things to the person, and they'll usually be true. I guess that's the Merc and Sun in Gem also.

Now one of my best friends??? Good grief! This dude has a really short fuse and if you didn't know him, you would think he was always on the brink of getting ready to pull a gun and shoot you when he's mad. Being that I've known him over 15 years, I'm one of the only people that knows how to calm him down quickly. He is a Taurus sun with some Aries placements.

posted August 27, 2009 12:29 AM         

I think with a woman, since they tend to be so passive agressive, you never really know what's going to set them off, because they've likely not told you outright what you're doing is p*ssing them off - So you could set them off without even having a clue as to why.
With men, you'd probably pretty much know what ground you shouldn't tread on upfront, and thus, can sidestep it accordingly.

posted August 27, 2009 12:48 AM         

scarier for me is the short fuse that you didn't even know was there [with passive aggressiveness it's clear and apparent but socially accepted] as stated earlier by someone alluding to mars/uranus, and honestly i've even noticed this with prominent uranus/aqua and even mars aqua alone (of course not across the board, but enough). Uranian energy does not start off as passive aggressive it erupts, or strikes, which would be more appropriate i suppose. and unlike earth, you can't see it brewing and stewing and building up tension. It is very sudden and very off-putting. knowing I shouldn't be, but nevertheless am always suprised by just how much passion is inside a person strongly attuned to the aquarius/uranus/h11 principle.

posted August 28, 2009 12:33 AM         

It occurs to me that my Aqua moon oppose Mars, sun & Mercury in Leo is a huge factor here. My Aqua moon is a singleton, and mostly shoved into the background, but when it's offended at the highest level, even *I* need to just stand back and let it go. yeah, I scare myself sometimes. Coupled with all the Leo fire & Sag rising, I'm a fricken ramrod naturally, when inspired. Make me mad, and I cannot be held responsible for what happens to you.

posted August 28, 2009 01:56 AM         

Men, OTOH, tend to be much more proficient in violence, have more effective muscles and the like (though IMO are much more pain wimps than women, at least once their adrenaline wears off), and also seem more driven to it, be it testosterone or culture that defines male power as a power of domination (which easily lends itself to violence).

Yet men--as a general rule--seem less inclined to bully and establish dominance over females, either through some chivalrous instincts or because they don't know what males would be offended (and seek revenge), or even fear that she just might kick their butt unexpectedly, and how would they live that off (even worse than being a woman beater is one beaten up by a woman)? I think the only reason I haven't been exposed to more direct violence by police officers than I have is because the vast majority are men, and female cops are more supportive of the male cops rather than initiating violence themselves (and male police officers seem more inclined to be violent in order to show off for female cops). But as this isn't universally true, I find myself far more wary of female cops than male ones, though the male ones are much more likely to be brutal thugs (to other guys). Granted, a few male cops do consider women fair game to their ego trips through violence, but hopefully the other cops restrain those particular urges in most cases.

posted August 28, 2009 05:13 AM         

I also have bad temper. My moon in t-square to my merk,uran,pluto which opposite my saturn.

I only use my temper when i must in job to stop stupid thing/doing and stupid thinking.