posted August 26, 2009 07:02 PM         

A good experiment in keeping orbs tight is to make the chart on astro.com and choose the option of NO LINES TO ASPECTS. Practice looking at charts that way. Print out the chart without the lines then draw your own lines to the aspects yourself. It will show you just how powerful the tight aspects can be and you won't be distracted by random lines trying to show you aspects that don't mean much.

I find lots of mistakes in astro.com charts. There are many times when they don't draw the lines to important aspects. To help you, look at the list of planetary degrees that's provided, NOT THE GRID because sometimes they will list these loose aspects on the grid also.

Do yourself a favor and try it. As a matter of fact, only draw lines to the 3 tightest aspects and see what you can determine about that chart from those aspects.

Your report is due tomorrow.

posted August 26, 2009 09:19 PM         

-12th house ruler is a benefic.
-untenanted 12th house.
-Benefic(Jupiter) trine Benefic(Venus)

posted August 26, 2009 09:35 PM         

pluto in 7, again, and widely opposite his significator, if you will, is very significant to me. i think this man had very powerful enemies. and when you talk about how jack, and then bobby, took on the heavies and were snuffed (still no definitive proof but you'll never convince me otherwise), i think that jupiterian 12th house shows again...teddy dying as well would have been the one-too-many for accident. so he was 1)scared (not sure chappa was completely accidental) and 2)discredited (causing the death of an innocent through drunkeness). and learned to be less of a scrapper and more a politican. a chess player and a dissimulator, perhaps...

i know what you mean about bobby geo, but i think a) he probably thought they wouldn't have the nerve to bag him too and b) i think in some ways a clean death is easier than having to face up to the powerful enemies year after year. if you believe in the infinite, death is not the ultimate, your body dies but your actions live and your legacy...whereas playing safe betrays the "cause"...

who knows really, maybe they were all crooks like the republicans say teddy was, and we were spared finding that out by the early deaths...

does anyone see evidence in the chart of a sell-out? as in appearing to be working for the good but actually serving the powermongers?

posted August 26, 2009 10:07 PM         

But while writing that last paragraph, I'd have to emphatically say no, he's not a sell out because I can remember during the presidential campaign of 2004 and a few years before when Ted was at the forefront of many left leaning ideas and he was being very vocal about it. He went more left then I had ever seen him and in the atmosphere of the time, it felt dangerous. I am very left leaning, but Teddy went sooo left in his conversations and debates that even I was thinking, "Ted, that's too much. Don't use 'abortion,' 'gun control,' and 'health care reform' all in the same sentence, dude." He went positively "60's Rock Star Lifestyle" on us. So, I suspect he wasn't to scared by that time and our last administration was quite frightening.

As for the ability for him to get up and dust himself off being attributed to Jupiter ruling the 12th house, I'm all for it, especially since he has one of the luckiest aspects you can have:

Jupiter trine Uranus

I haven't mentioned that all day long. How did I miss that?

And I must admit, I have my own little fanatasy about the fact that he had his first communion with a Pope. His whole family went to the equivalent of an inaugeration for Pope Pius XII (I forgot what the ceremony is called) and while they were there, Teddy received his first communion from him. Even though it might be stupid to think this, I think the Pope put the "magic whammy" on Ted and even though he had many opportunities to off himself, the "magic whammy" saved his life.

I mean, come on, he survived 2 incredibly dangerous accidents. He survived a horrible plane crash and a car that drove off a bridge. I'd say that's pretty frickin' lucky.

Here's a picture of them at that time in 1938 at The Vatican with 2 of the papal guards.

posted August 27, 2009 10:15 AM         

That's what we do here. We learn and discuss astrology whether a person is dead or not. Part of analyzing a persons life is based on their history and MEMORIES! This is an astrological forum and discussing the person's life through astrology is part of my process of dealing with my grief. I didn't personally know Ted Kennedy, I don't know if any of us have. But my opinion is that nothing we can say on this forum will affect him or his family. So far we have been extremely respectful which is VERY RARE on the internet in terms of Ted Kennedy's life, even when he was alive.

I remember last year when he was diagnosed with the brain tumor, if you went on many of the most reputable newspaper websites, you could see people making the nastiest comments about him, wishing that he would pass away because of his behavior during the low points of his life.

posted August 27, 2009 11:36 AM         

i have jupiter in 12th and it has certainly operated that way in my life. i have had a lot of near misses too, and sudden resolutions when all seemed lost in other circumstances. and i have miraculously been spared the worst consequences often in legal, work and other situations.

of course it could be down to ATTITUDE stemming from this placement...i have noticed over the years that most people get what they NEED and what they are really willing to believe they deserve, which may be the same thing operating at a slightly more expansive level with jupiter in 12...

posted August 27, 2009 12:11 PM         

You just made me realize something. My Sun is in the 12th House in Aries. My Jupiter exactly squares my Sun..... I think I have some of the same thing going on.

Not only that, My Jupiter is the fulcrum of a T-square between my Sun and Mars, Mars rules my 12th House. HOLY MOLY!! THIS IS GREAT!!

I've had 2 very strong psychics tell me that I have lots of guidance. As a matter of fact, when I had one of those readings it was outside on the front entrance of a building in New York City (right next door to Will & Grace's building), the psychic started laughing hysterically and said, "My God!! The street is filling up with all of your guides, it's like an army of guides!"

Oh my goodness, I'm so glad you helped to lead me to this awareness. I don't know if they're angels, but I'll take benevolent guides any day. You're definitely on to something because I really do have strong guidance when I tap into it. I need to utilize it more.

As for Ted Kennedy, it's very well known how dedicated he was to his Catholic faith as is the whole Kennedy family. I also keep getting drawn to the Moon-Neptune conjunction in the 8th House. I feel very strong goddess energy around that measurement. In catholicism it would be translated into Mother Mary, and being in the 8th House, a very deep spiritual house, he's dealt with all phases of the goddess. The Virgin, the Mother and the Crone. We've seen him deal with the crone more memorably than the others.

I saw a video on the internet yesterday of history professor Allan Lichtman from American University commenting on Ted Kennedy's life and as he was speaking, he kept talking about "steely determination" and it reminded me of Ted's Saturn in Capricorn in the 1st House. Here's the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0uW3Iaku0Q

And here I typed out the manuscript for a friend of mine:

American University’s Professor Allan Lichtman’s commentary on the passing of U.S. Senator Edward Moore Kennedy to the Associated Press 8/26/09

“There are so many extraordinary and tragic life shaping events in the history of Ted Kennedy; or course, the pivotal and tragic moments with the death of his two brothers which built inside of him a steely determination to carry out, what he saw as, the great liberal legacy of the Kennedys. It was his own near death very early in his senatorial career, and the terrible plane crash, it was the horrible tragedy of Chappaquiddick and all of the accusations in the aftermath of that. Then there was the defeat in the primary campaign of 1980, so he had to overcome tragedy and defeat time and again in his career and I think it humbled him and I think it steeled his determination to make his mark where he was, in place, in the United States Senate and, indeed, he did that perhaps just as well as any American in U.S. history.

Another reason why Ted Kennedy was able to transcend all the controversy and all the problems is because of his grace under pressure and his ability to deal with adversity. It was a very bitter pill for him to lose the primary campaign against Jimmy Carter in 1980, and yet he rebounded with his “Sailing Against the Wind” speech at the 1980 Democratic Convention, one of the most inspiring political speeches in the history of the country. And here was a guy, in defeat, rising to the occasion, showing is graciousness, and showing his ability to resonate with the American people even more than he had during the primary campaigns.

posted August 27, 2009 05:47 PM         

Something strikes me that this conversation is a little cold and untimely, blunt as well.

posted August 27, 2009 06:06 PM         

If you feel so strongly about the posts saying Rest In Peace, then say it.

posted August 27, 2009 09:02 PM         

secondly he is going to rest in peace until he comes back, in my opinion, and come back he will! famous people's charts are their charts, no one is maligning the man!

posted August 28, 2009 07:02 PM         

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A good experiment in keeping orbs tight is to make the chart on astro.com and choose the option of NO LINES TO ASPECTS. Practice looking at charts that way.

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posted August 28, 2009 07:10 PM         

Katatonic and Geo - great posts.

On astro.com they are already ripping apart TK's chart (i haven't actually logged in but i know they will be!) and it will be a lot more vicious than here.

I think everyone is behaving impeccably

Anyway, my 2 cents!

posted August 29, 2009 10:26 PM         

List of dignitaries attending Kennedy's funeral Saturday

The following are some of the VIPs who attended Senator Edward M. Kennedy's funeral today:

President Obama
Vice President Joe Biden
Former President George W. Bush
Former President Bill Clinton
Former President Jimmy Carter
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
Former Vice President Al Gore
Former Vice President Walter Mondale
Former Vice President Dan Quayle

posted August 29, 2009 11:36 PM         

I watched that whole memorial and burial to the bitter end on msnbc.com. My brain is totally Kennedy Fried. The last 2 stories were told by two of his grandchildren and it was so dark you couldn't see anything so the cameras kept showing the eternal flame on JFK's grave, but the service was beautiful. Now I'm waiting for someone to print his letter to the Pope and the Pope's response in the paper or on the internet. His letter was beautiful and the Pope's response was also appropriate.

posted August 30, 2009 12:32 PM         

when i was young whenever i doubted my abilities or thought people disapproved of me for some reason, my mother would quote to me: "ALL the sons of ireland are kings" - ie you are as good as ANYbody (i'm half irish) but i have also noticed that irish people tend to have their feet on the ground and an ability to relate to others as equals, two of teddy kennedy's greatest gifts...

posted August 30, 2009 04:59 PM         

I thought it was conspicuous that George WH Bush chose not to attend.
(what's up with that?)

Here's a piece I found.

quote:

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Former President George H. W. Bush, who has enough stamina to sky-dive each year on his birthday, apparently doesn't have the stamina to attend Sen. Ted Kennedy's (D-MA) funeral.

The elder Bush's spokesman told the AP Friday that the 43rd president (correcting the Raw Story's here, thanks to aoeu, 41st President) decided not to attend when he learned that his son would be going.

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posted September 01, 2009 02:47 AM         

“ Most Holy Father, I asked President Obama to personally hand-deliver this letter to you. As a man of deep faith himself he understands how important my Roman Catholic faith is to me. And I am so deeply grateful to him.

I hope this letter finds you in good health. I pray that you have all of God’s blessings as you lead our church and inspire our world during these challenging times. I am writing with deep humility to ask that you pray for me as my own health declines. I was diagnosed with brain cancer more than a year ago, and although I continue treatment the disease is taking its toll on me. I am 77 years old, and preparing for the next passage of life. I have been blessed to be part of a wonderful family and both of my parents, particularly my mother, kept our Catholic faith at the center of our lives. That gift of faith has sustained and nurtured and provided solace to me in the darkest hours. I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith, I have tried to right my path.

I want you to know, Your Holiness, in my nearly 50 years in elective office, I have done my best to champion the rights of the poor, and open doors of economic opportunity. I have worked to welcome the immigrants, to fight discrimination, and expand access to health care and education. I have opposed the death penalty and fought to end war. Those are the issues that have motivated me and have been the focus of my work as a United States senator. I also want you to know that even though I am ill, I am committed to do everything that I can to achieve access to healthcare for everyone in my country. This has been the political cause of my life. I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health field, and will continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone.

I have always tried to be a faithful Catholic your Holiness, and though I have fallen short through human failings, I have never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings of my faith. I continue to pray for God’s blessings on you and on our church ,and would be most thankful for your prayers for me. “