posted August 26, 2009 12:46 PM         

Love him or hate him, (especially if you hate him) it's a great chart to study for learning how to survive your own mistakes and the bricks that life throws at you over and over again. An example that we are all good and all bad and that's what it means to be fully human.

Can you find his view of his parents in this chart?

Can you find his siblings and what they meant to him in this chart?

Can you find his constant competition with the grim reaper? The man stared into the face of death intimately countless times.

And finally, his first communion was given to him by Pope Pius XII... Whether you're Catholic or not (I'm not) do you think that this "special" blessing had anything to do with his being the only Kennedy brother not to die at a young age? He was the first Kennedy to wonder outloud if there was a "Kennedy Curse". Do you believe in it?

This is a metaphysical forum, let's talk about it. Feel free to honor him or question his ethics and learn about a long life span with amazing ups, downs, courage, cowardice and plain old humanity.

posted August 26, 2009 01:11 PM         

OUCH!!!!

RIP TK

posted August 26, 2009 01:40 PM         

I'm doing really well and I hope things are going well for you, too.
But I hereby challenge you to tell us what "OUCH" means in terms of this chart. Pretend I'm Teddy and I ask you to look at my chart. As I sit across from you are you going to say, "OUCH" you have Saturn at 29 Capricorn. YOU'RE CURSED!!! How many people have focused on the wrong battles because they thought they were cursed or had something in their chart that suggested tragedy was looming or built into their chart? They focus on avoiding pain instead of pushing through and getting on with life, which is what Ted Kennedy did time and time again. Through the deaths of 3 brothers, 1 sister, several nieces and nephews, friends, colleagues, not to mention his own mishaps, etc.

I'm not trying to beat you up, I'm just trying to learn some secret ingredients of why he did not break down completely as he watched each of his brothers die tragically (including Joe who died in an airplane explosion during WWII).

Does Saturn at 29 Capricorn have anything to do with it?

Is it possible that Saturn at 29 Capricorn may have saved him somehow?

posted August 26, 2009 01:56 PM         

So, intuitively again i look again and see:

moon conjunct neptune/8th house. Could he have had the ability to disengage from his emotions by seeing them as he wanted to not as they are? Moon is 7th ruler.
sun opposing this in 2nd... hmm, could he have lived in his own little world on some levels and it saved him?

Jupiter trine venus - nice. Supportive for venus.

Chiron in 4th - family/home deaths? heartache?

That saturn opposing pluto looks pretty formidable in the 1st/7th axis.

posted August 26, 2009 02:22 PM         

That's mighty close to his Saturn. That's a heaping spoonful of Karma.

Karma in 1st House in humanitarian Aquarius. He was a quintessential humanitarian.

About that Moon-Neptune conjunction in the 8th House. That's where death constantly challenged him with confusion, alcoholism, a mother who strongly influenced him with the Catholic religion, she almost pushed him to become a priest. Now that's deep.

posted August 26, 2009 02:39 PM         

I saw Ted Kennedy once in the senate. It was in 1999 when the senate was debating the Clinton impeachment. Unfortunately I was there on the last day that the republicans were speaking. As we filed into the balcony you could see all the senators and Teddy in his regular seat. But you couldn't see his face because he was purposely holding the Washington Post open wide as if reading it, but clearly showing his disrespect and disdain for what the republicans were doing. All you could see was this giant poof of white hair and if there was one thing that guy had (and all the Kennedys) was loads of HAIR!!

posted August 26, 2009 02:48 PM         

and the moon/neptune does smack of the alcohol and woman problems, but also probably saved him at chappaquiddick, ie by being drunk he may have escaped the fate a conscious person would have succumbed to. the worst accident i was ever in i was asleep and slumped to the floor where i was completely unhurt by the impact. and many drunk people survive "fatal" accidents because they were too relaxed to panic...

i wonder if his life was hell and he isn't better off now? can he have been so blind as to not notice the run-ups to john and bobby's deaths and connect the dots?

posted August 26, 2009 03:31 PM         

I love your interpretation and explaination of his Moon-Neptune conjunction being his saving grace in that Chappaquiddick accident. Being too relaxed (inebriated) to be injured. Amazing!! It makes sooo much sense.

Also, there were a lot of people, including family member, who saw the run up to both John and Bobby's deaths. But these two men were so powerful and did what they wanted. All you could do is hope and pray that they would listen. I've read many books about Bobby by his colleagues at the time and they were all strongly aware of his political recklessness at the time and most of them warned him loudly. It was almost as if Bobby had a death wish. He was WELL aware of the fatal arena he was working in and he bated it, faced it down like the pitt bull he was.

of course we wish he hadn't done it that, if he had only used a little more caution. Oh well...

Anymore insights?

posted August 26, 2009 04:11 PM         

I think his saving graces were Saturn, Venus, and Neptune. With a Cappy Asc, he already had the capacity to move through whatever was handed to him, and I think having Saturn in the personal house in the sign it rules gave him the extra oomph to overcome so many situations in life. I view Saturn as capable of protection in a chart.

Venus in the third and trine Jupiter helped endear him to his siblings (awwww, he was the baby and they spoiled him - but also felt he was the weakest link among the brothers). It also gave him charisma from a PR standpoint (what he said and what he wrote (3rd) was attractive to others (7th). He also worked well with Republicans, which is pretty unusual. That Jupiter in the 7th allowed him to form good relationships with others that were beneficial.

As for his parents, the empty 10th house shows no real support from the paternal parent or relationship with them. The Chiron in the 4th house shows unavailable parents and a troublesome childhood. Wasn't he called the black sheep by other Kennedys? It would fit because Chiron in the 4th is the black sheep placement.

IMO, the hot mess of Sun/Merc/Mars opposing Moon in intercepted houses is his downfall astrologically. If it weren't for his Neptune in 8th I doubt he would have gotten close to the grim reaper more than once. I've seen Neptune in 8th in many charts of people who have "cheated death" and/or made an incredible comeback.

I strongly feel that his Neptune conjunct Moon gave him his Teflon-ness in personal matters. He very much believed what he felt, regardless of facts. I'm talking about his personal emotions, not his politics. He survived a lot of odd situations that one would expect might cause a nervous breakdown for someone else. But I think his Neptune glamorized his views into what his own fairytale version would be, and the next thing he knew his emotions were healed and everything was a-ok. When he got kicked out of Harvard for cheating, I'm sure the Neptune/Moon combo enabled him to glaze over it quickly. I guess that sounds a bit negative, so I should add that with Chiron in 4th and Saturn in 1st I'm pretty sure he would have had problems with insecurity and so the Neptune/Moon was actually quite helpful to him. It also is a very psychic empath combo, so no doubt it's the origin of his stance on the rights of minority groups, or those who have been under-represented.

posted August 26, 2009 04:17 PM         

I'm still reading picking through your very interesting commentary, but I'm just gonna say it, it's hard for me when people don't use capitals, punctuation and grammar, especially with such an intricate language like astrology. There, I said it, don't mean to be mean, but just in case it makes a difference. That's all about that. I should be finished with it shortly but in the meantime...

I just Solar Arc'd his chart to August 12, 1944 when he was 12 years old. His brother Joe Kennedy, Jr. died in an airplane explosion over the Atlantic Ocean during WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Jr.

Solar Arc Pluto=Sun - Sun rules his 8th House of death. Usually Solar Pluto=Sun signals one of the most powerful identity changes in our lives.

You brought up a compelling debatable fact, Pluto and Mars' co-rulership of Aries and Scorpio. Mars should hold some strong importance in his chart in terms of siblings, especially since his brothers were all so powerful. It would make more sense if Pluto was the ruler of his 3rd house because it also sextiles his MC, his career. Pluto is so powerful and executive and prominent, exhibited so highly in the public 7th house in the Leo spotlight.

posted August 26, 2009 04:37 PM         

Will you marry me? BRAVO!!! Not only did you hit the nail on the head with all this stuff, you built an entire house!

I love your mention of Neptune contributing to his "Teflon-ness" and how he escaped death many times. Let's not forget the airplane crash he was in that broke his back, forcing his wife to campaign for him for his second term as senator, his brother Jack and his aids spinning Teddy's expulsion from Harvard over his cheating on the spanish exam and really, "slipping" into the senate in the first place. Palms were "greased" in Massachusettes in order for him to get into the senate. Heck, the Kennedys "greased" John into the presidency (He's got a prominent Neptune as well).

And thank you for reminding me of the safety that Saturn provides and how it helped him to move through so many of the odd obstacles he had to deal with. I find it interesting that he had both Saturn and Pluto angular. Not really an opposition, but if the shoe fits, wear it.

Ted was not considered the black sheep of the family. Jack was. He didn't show much ambition (Saturn conjunct Neptune at MC) until his his 2nd year in Congress, which is a long time to flounder around. He wasn't really in competition with his older brother Joe, but he took was a deep 2nd fiddle to his brother Joe who was being groomed to become president. After Joe was killed, Joe, Sr's focus of presidential training fell onto Jack.

My feeling is that he'll be viewed as one of the greatest senators in U.S. history. He has already accomplished more than his brother did as president (because he had more time, of course) and his scandals will fade with time. He grew up, even though he went through his bad boy days (which all the Kennedys did) he did finally grow up (a few times) and continued to work toward making our country better. They're already saying it now, and it's true.

posted August 26, 2009 05:15 PM         

His chart just reeks of karma for me though which is why i asked !

posted August 26, 2009 06:41 PM         

Winter,