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Glaucus
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posted August 27, 2009 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am starting a Transneptunian Astrology of Serial Killers series

As you know, I am very interested in transneptunian objects besides Pluto......especially the dwarf planets and the dwarf planet candidates. Those are the big objects.


I believe that transneptunian energy can be very difficult to handle because it's a highly metaphysical energy. There can be problems on the physical plane,and it can manifest as being too "out there", nonconformist. In extremes, it can indicate the potential to be very dangerous to self and/or others.


In its positive expression, it can be energy that can be good for being a force for good,and doing great positive things. They can be highly creative people. They can be the trailblazers that explore the unknown of things and come up with discoveries. These people can be profoundly spiritual if they are disciplined,keep their ego in check,master the energy and not let it control them.

I believe that serial killers could be one of the extreme negative types of transneptunian people. Free will is the ultimate factor. They could have chosen the positive expression to be a great force for good and not a great force for evil.


The Transneptunian Astrology of Serial Killers series begins with Richard Ramirez aka the Night Stalker.


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Biography

American homicide, "the night stalker" who created a rein of terror in Los Angeles and environs from January to August 3, 1985 when he was captured. He beat, stabbed, shot, kidnapped and raped victims from the age of 6 to 84, brutal attacks in the dead of night, attacks upon strangers with no apparent process of selection other than availability. Many of the female victims had been sexually assaulted; five had their throats cut.

He was captured by a group of ordinary citizens who recognized him from police sketches, apprehended him and turned him over to the police. His trial began 1/30/1989; found guilty 9/20/1989 of 13 murders and 30 other felonies. In November, 1989, the penalty phase of his trial concluded with a death sentence.

An admitted devil worshipper, Ramirez has jagged teeth and a handsome, dark look of pure evil. On 10/03/1996, he was married to Doreen Lioy, a 41-year-old woman who said that she fell in love while visiting him on death row, finding him vulnerable and innocent. They were allowed to kiss during the ceremony but will not be allowed conjugal visits. Her relatives did not attend the wedding, aghast at her apparent insanity.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ramirez,_Ricardo


Richard Ramirez had Sun oppose Pluto with 4 degree orb in his chart

Pluto in 4'48 Virgo R
oppose Sun in 8'47 Pisces

of course, Pluto is associated with intensity,transformation,death

Pluto was discovered in 1930,and it was thought to be the only object in the outer regions of the solar system until 1992 QB1 was discovered.
Then in 2000, Astronomers found big transneptunian objects. In 2005, they finally discovered a larger transneptunian. In 2006, Pluto's planetary status was stripped just like Ceres' planetary status was stripped and
The larger transneptunian object that led to discord among the astronomers was named after the Goddess of Discord,Eris.


Transneptunian Dwarf planets - Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea

Transneptunian Dwarf planet candidates - Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion

Pluto,Orcus,and Ixion are plutinos, and so the have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune.
As a rule, astronomers name plutinos named after underworld characters.

aspects involving Orcus and Ixion would seem to be very similar to aspects involving Pluto. Their orbits are no more than a year apart from Pluto.

I looked to see there were any strong transneptunian aspects involving the luminaries,personal planets,angles

only conjunctions,oppositions,squares,semisquares,sesquiquadrates are looked at for transneptunian psychic complexes

parallels and contraparallels in declinations are also looked at.


3 degree orb for conjunction,opposition,square
1 degree orb for quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate
1 degree for parallel,contraparallel


Eris in 9'15 Aries in 4th
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 8'07 Libra/Aries
sextile Venus in 9'26 Aquarius in 2nd
semisextile Sun in 8'47 Pisces

square true Black Moon Lilith in 8'45 Cancer R in 7th
(this seems to emphasize the crimes against women)


His Eris oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli with 1'07 orb is a strong Eris energy. It's stronger than the Sun-Pluto opposition because of not only the much narrower orb but also the fact that the Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis are more personal than the Sun with their being time-sensitive points.

In his case, it fits with being extremely divergent and controversial to the extreme that he murdered,killed.

Philip Sedgwick negative keywords for Eris:
Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.


Ixion in 25'16 Libra
quincunx Mercury in 25'28 Pisces

Phlip Sedgwick negative keywords for Ixion:
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience


Haumea in 29'49 Leo
quincunx Moon in 29'10 Pisces

Philip Sedgwick negative keywords for Haumea:
Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Sedna 0'25 North
contraparallel Moon 0'52 South
this fits
(fits with being a victimizer,abuser...especially with him)

Philip Sedgwick negative keywords for Sedna:
Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

I like the idea that Philip Sedgwick said about transneptunian dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates.

He referred to them as evolutionary intensified objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Therefore,people with strong transneptunian energy seem to have evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences that make or break them.

http://www.philipsedgwick.com/


there will be more charts on transneptunians,serial killers to come.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 28, 2009 06:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have my undivided attention, Glaucus.

Of course, I do not know enough about astrology to understand completely what you've written, but I have to admit, it freaked me out a bit to notice he had the same birthday as my daughter.

And you said Eileen Warnous was a Pisces as well. I find that truly amazing, knowing many Pisces people, but as you said, it isn't the Sun that is the driving force.

Do you know much about his background? His childhood experiences and upbringing?

And not only did he marry in jail, but at trial he had a court full of women admirers! It is said many sat through the trial not wearing undergarments so they could flash him while he was being questioned! It makes you wonder about them as well!!

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Raymond, thanks for posting! This is right up my alley

Looking forward to the upcoming ones.

Is it possible to put in a request for serial killer charts? hehe there's a couple I would be interested in seeing! I know that sounds strange but I do have an interest in this subject - have many books on serial killers, forensics etc.

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posted August 28, 2009 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great topic Glaucus! I'm fascinated with the charts of criminals, especially serial killers. For anyone who wants a good book to be able to study and compare the charts of killers I would strongly suggest Lois Roddens Astro Data V Profiles of Crime. Great read! I totally think glaucus is really on to something with these transneptunian charts, I have one myself, you will also realize with the book the overwelming preponderance of major sun pluto aspects.

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posted August 28, 2009 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"You have my undivided attention, Glaucus.

Of course, I do not know enough about astrology to understand completely what you've written, but I have to admit, it freaked me out a bit to notice he had the same birthday as my daughter."

hmmmmm.......next post I will post links to the mythology and astronomy of the transneptunians. As for his having the same birthday as your daughter, well....I have the same birthday, Oct 29th as Adolf Hitler's nazi propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels....so he was born with Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio. Kate Jackson and Richard Dreyfus,Finola Hughes are others born on October 29th.

"And you said Eileen Warnous was a Pisces as well. I find that truly amazing, knowing many Pisces people, but as you said, it isn't the Sun that is the driving force."

exactly....I have already looked at John Wayne Gacy's chart, but I am going to look Eileen Warnous' next and post that one up as my 2nd one of Transneptunian Astrology of Serial killers series.

"Do you know much about his background? His childhood experiences and upbringing?"

No...I don't. I am curious. I wonder if he was abused or grew up around abuse and that had a profound influence on his psyche and led to him being very twisted.

"And not only did he marry in jail, but at trial he had a court full of women admirers! It is said many sat through the trial not wearing undergarments so they could flash him while he was being questioned! It makes you wonder about them as well!! "

damn....sheesh...yeah, I think that there was something wrong with those women.


Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 28, 2009 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't find Aileen's time of birth
so I am not going to do her chart in a separate thread.
I can't do a chart without time to look at aspects involving the Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven.

I believe that aspects with the transneptunian objects should be no more than 3 degree orb,and that includes Pluto. That's how it's controversial. My point is that we have all these other transneptunian objects in our solar system. Narrow orbed aspects involving other transneptunians could easily account for things that are attributed to wide-orbed Pluto aspects. That's especially for the transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates.

Feb 29, 1956
Rochester,Minnesota
noon time as in unknown http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos

Venus in 21'42 Aries
oppose Ixion in 21'25 Libra R

Philip Sedgwick negative keywords for Ixion:
Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Ixion astronomy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/28978_Ixion

Ixion mythology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixion


Mars in 00'43 Capricorn
oppose Orcus 1'28 Cancer R

Philip Sedgwick's negative keywords for Orcus:
Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Orcus astronomy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90482_Orcus

Orcus mythology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus_(mythology)


She has Venus and Mars in hard aspects to transneptunian dwarf planet candidates, Ixion and Orcus. They are plutinos,and so they have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto. Therefore,they are astronomically similar to Pluto. It's a rule for astronomers to name plutinos after underworld characters. Therefore, it makes sense for these plutinos to be astrologically similar to Pluto.

Therefore,Ixion and Orcus can be about intensity,sex,death,transformation just like Pluto. I don't believe that Pluto on all those things. That could be the whole transneptunian region which consists of thousands of objects.

from its discovery in 1930 to the discovery of 1992 QB1 (the first discovery of another transneptunian object) in 1992, Pluto was thought to be the only object in the transneptunian region.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 28, 2009 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
glaucus. Interesting

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posted August 28, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just want to reiterate that just because a person has hard transneptunian aspects involving personal planets,angles doesn't mean that he/she will end up being a killer.


also it's hard to distinguish the chart of a killer from the chart of the killed.

I have some hard transneptunian aspects aspects myself

Haumea in 11'16 Virgo
conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio

Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R
conjunct Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R
oppose Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces
(T-Square)

Makemake in 16'20 Leo
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio

Pluto 14'04 North
contraparallel Sun 13'18 South

Orcus 13'17 North
contraparallel Sun 13'18 South

Eris 14'25 South
parallel Mars 13'18 South

Sun oppose Sedna - '44 in Right Ascension (equatorial longitude coordinates which astronomers use instead of ecliptical longitude which astrologers use)

Sun quincunx Varuna - '05 in Right Ascension

Moon semisquare Eris - '08 in Right Ascension
Venus quincunx Eris - '10 in Right Ascension

I grew up believing that violent criminals should be punished more severely. For a long time, I was a strong believer in the death penalty. My mom being shot in my presence 3 days before my 3rd birthday was a factor in all that. Now, I don't believe in the death penalty. I believe that killers can just rot in prison with no freedom whatsoever for the rest of their entire lives. I think that death is too easy.


I use my strong transneptunian Energy for good. I think any person with strong transneptunian energy could do that, and that goes for the serial killers. Nobody is born to be a killer. I feel that everybody is born good too. I think that's where my Unity beliefs come in.


Raymond


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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted August 28, 2009 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a great idea Raymond

I like how you explain your reasoning behind each interpretation and give some background on the bodies you are using in your interpretations; including actual charts to talk about transneptunians helps me understand them better.

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I grew up believing that violent criminals should be punished more severely. For a long time, I was a strong believer in the death penalty. My mom being shot in my presence 3 days before my 3rd birthday was a factor in all that. Now, I don't believe in the death penalty. I believe that killers can just rot in prison with no freedom whatsoever for the rest of their entire lives. I think that death is too easy.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I had my mother brutally attacked in my presence when I was a child, and I understand those feelings. I wanted the person to die, and I don't regret feeling that way. It is out of a desire to see that sort of corruption gone from the the Earth, not to punish them.

I knew a young man who was unusually charming and also very dangerous, especially towards women. He impulsively impaled a woman in side of the neck with a pen, and she was still in love with him afterward. When he told me this he had a bemused look on his face. Later I met her, coincidentally.

He also threatened to kill his mother when he was 15, and she sent him to an institution for two years. He had a power over people that I couldn't understand. He could abuse them and it was like they didn't notice at all. It made me so angry, and the more I grew angry at him the more he pursued me. After I found out about his mother and that girl he attacked I finally got away from him. I don't have his birth time but even without it his chart is very interesting in regards to the trans-neptunians.

There is a fixed grand cross between Mars, Orcus, Pluto, and Sedna. I know three of those move very slowly, but his Mars just got caught in the mix: Mars in Aq. square Scorp. Pluto 0 deg, square Taurus Sedna R 5 deg, oppose Leo Orcus R 2 degrees.

Venus also gets caught in a Yod between Chiron R and Orcus R. Chiron sextile Orcus 0 deg, both quincunx Venus 1 deg. Not the end for Venus though...

BML in Aries square Venus/Jupiter conjunction (1 and 4 deg) in Capricorn, BML trine Orcus (2 deg).

Scorp. Sun conjunct Saturn (8 deg). Saturn conjunct Ixion (2 deg) also in Scorpio, and square Nessus 1 deg in Leo. Sun conjunct South Node, 0 deg.

He has the same aspect of Sun/SN in the same sign as Mr. Nazi Minister and Mars opp. Orcus like Ms. Aileen, except he is male so he would more likely express the Mars. Sheesh.

Looking forward to more serial killers!

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"also, it's hard to distinguish the chart of a killer from the chart of the killed". Exactly! I find this so true with all crime. I't's also hard to distinguish between the chart of a sex offender and that of the raped/molested.

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I already knew your birthday, Glaucus, it is the same day as my sons, who by the way is a quadruple Scorpio, and the best person on Earth, course I am a bit biased.

I'm afraid I won't be able to contribute astrologically, but I know a bit about the history of some serial killers, so I'll hang around anyway, if you all don't mind.

The most I can remember on Richard Ramirez is him being painfully shy and a total loner. I believe he grew up in poverty. As far as family life, I don't remember ever reading or hearing much about it.

Eileen Warnous' family history is very tragic and abusive. I will tell the story if any one is interested.

I know alot about Charles Manson.
I know some about Ted Bundy.
I know alot about Jeffrey Dahmer.

I find Dahmer's case most intesting, because from an outsiders stand point, his child hood was pretty normal. In fact, some of us here have suffered much worse.

His case may have to do with chemicals.
And some with genetics.
His mother was treated during her pregnancy with narcotics for some sort of seizure disorder.
But after the birth, his parents regarded Jeffrey as painful shy, but normal.
It wasn't until age 15 years when he was asked to dissect a frog in biology, (I always suspected that was a terrible idea, I refused to do mine, and took the "F) that he became fascinated with the killing and dismembering of animals.
The coinciding forces at the time were as follows:
This is when Dahmer went through puberty.
This is when Dahmer began to understand that he was gay, and
This is when his parents marriage fell apart.

Needless to say you know the story from there, but many of you may not know, that Dahmer's father wrote an autobiography telling of HIS own obsessions, in which he dreamed often of killing. He never acted on it, but he said he dreamt/fantasized about it alot.
Dahmer and all family members vehemently deny any form of abuse to Dahmer at all.
All the Dahmer family are now diseased, except one brother whom has relocated and changed his name.

I do hope that this subject does not turn political or religious, but for my own personal reasons, I do not beleive in the death penalty either.
People that kill are obviously familiar with it to the point where I believe they basically want it for themselves, putting them to death is giving them what they want. Putting them in a box is torturing them, which is worse than death to those who value power, as many killers do.

Another subject to look at, at some point, is the difference between the charismatic killers, Manson and Bundy, for example as to the loner types.
Those charts should show a marked difference I would imagine.

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posted August 31, 2009 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You still there Glaucus? bump.

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posted August 31, 2009 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am here.

Thanks for sharing the info on the serial killers.

I am going to post one about John Wayne Gacy soon

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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hmmmm, John Wayne Gacy, interesting choice, if he doesn't reinforce peoples fear of clowns, I don't know who would.

I read a book by a college kid who was doing a story about serial killers. I wish I could remember the book and the author, it was so good.

Anyway, he became pen pals with several of them, Gacy being on of them.
He said Gacy wanted to arrange a meeting, you know an interview of sorts.
The kid agreed to it and they met.
He said Gacy had some sort of pre-arranged deal with the guard because the guard left them alone!!
He was so terrified he immediately stopped all his research.
He said Gacy was so evil and so completely charismatic and manipulative.
Now look at a pic of him, it is so hard to imagine that he could convince anybody to do anything with his looks.
But he did.
Goes to show physical appearance isn't that important at all, it is the force of character.
BTW, the history channel is advertising a new show on Manson coming up in the next couple weeks, apparently it is a complete account and thorough report from one of the girls in his "family."
Just thought you might be interested.

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I had researched all the noted serial killers sometime back, and found clear cut Nessus-Mars-Saturn-Dejanira afflictions in all of them, precise to 1 degree orbs.
The programmed killers also have a Kaali-Moon or Siva-Moon affliction. Some have LUCIFER and TRANSYLVANIA afflictions, very precisely.

However, I had not analyzed the Trans-Neptunian effect, this could be very useful.
The one drawback of Trans Neptunians is they are very slow moving, and 100-200 million people will have the same TransNeptunian aspects as that of the serial killers.
We need Moon connections and if possible Ascendant [we dont have birth times for all] links to Trans Neptunians to zero in on the exact astrological impulses for evil.

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posted September 01, 2009 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

transneptunian aspects involving the Sun can be significant

just last night, I checked the charts of both Philip Garrido and Jaycee Dugard for transneptunian aspects.
Philip Garrido abducted,raped,and fathered 2 girls with Jaycee. She was his prisoner for 18 years.


On a hunch, I checked to see if Garrido has the plutino,Ixion in hard aspect to his personal planets.
Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's a plutino,and so it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto. Its orbit is only a year apart from Pluto's. Therefore, it's astronomically similar to Pluto and should be astrologically similar to Pluto. It's named after a king who was the first murderer in Greek mythology, and he was punished to spin on a fiery wheel in Tartarus because of his sexual advances towards Hera. Zeus agreed to purify Ixion for the murder after no mortal would do it. Ixion came onto Hera when he was a guest in Zeus' household. Hera told Zeus about it. Zeus made a fake Hera to test Ixion and Ixion mated with it. He bragged about it to others, and Zeus had Hermes take Ixion to the Underworld and bound him to a fiery wheel to spin forever. The result of the union between Ixion and Nephele was Centaurus who mated with a mare and the centaurs resulted in that union. So Ixion was known for being the father or grandfather of the centaurs. As you see, Ixion was punished for his lustiness.

the theme of Ixion was second chances, ingratitude, and lust

His Ixion is in 16'02 Libra R is conjunct his Neptune and oppose his Sun.
It's within the 3 degree orb that I have been using for the big transneptunian objects,and that includes all the dwarf planets/Plutoids.


Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Ixion are:

Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers
http://www.philipsedgwick.com/


Well...Garrido got a 2nd chance when he was released from prison,only serving 10 years of a 50 year prison term. He didn't use it wisely. He showed his being lustful,inconsiderate,lack of gratitude,inclination to repeat errors, and not learning from experience by the abduction,rape,and imprisonment of Jaycee.


there is a possibility that Garrido might be a serial killer that's killed prostitutes.


man......that guy should have never got out of prison! He will be locked up for the rest of his life now. His wife too.
I hope Jaycee and her family sue. I believe that they are entitled for immense compensation.

maybe violent rapists and child molesters should go through involuntary castration


on another hunch,
I checked to see if Jaycee has Ixion in hard aspect to a personal planet

her Ixion is in 13'37 Scorpio R in opposition to her Sun-Chiron conjunction in Taurus

so both Garrido and Jaycee have Sun-Ixion opposition

This is an example of how certain aspects can be found in both perpetrator and victim of crimes like sexual abuse

Her Quaoar is in 12'37 Scorpio R in opposition her Sun-Chiron conjunction

so she has Sun-Chiron in Taurus in opposition to Ixion-Quaoar

Quaoar is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate

Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Quaoar:

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems


the negatives keywords for Quaoar fit with Garrido's extreme religious fanaticism as well as how he controlled her for 18 years


I also checked the centaur,Nessus in the synastry of Jaycee and Garrido for any lust,sexual themes.


Garrido's Nessus is in 12'58 Taurus, and so it conjuncts Jayce's Sun-Chiron conjunction in Taurus and opposes her Ixion-Quaoar conjunction in Scorpio


Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Nessus:
Nessus: Ferryman at the River Evenus. Orbital Period: 120.76 yr.

Positive - generous, benevolent, compassionate, willing to lend a helping hand, cooperative, respectful of boundaries, aware of the power of life force energy, healthy use of sexual energy

Negative - coveting, possessive, jealous, vengeful, manipulative, resorting to negative alchemy for personal gain, negative use of sexual energy

Mundane - bad blood between parties, feuds over money especially regarding relationship dissolution, diseases transmitted by blood, transport ferries over water, potions, tonics and elixirs designed to cast spells, therapy specifically designed for healing sexual or monetary issues

Ceremonial - prosperity ceremonies, sexual healing rituals, ceremonies involving Earth fertility


the negative keywords fit with how Garrido treated Jaycee.

Garrido's Orcus is in 25'03 Gemini,and so it conjuncts Jaycee's Venus in Gemini
Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's a plutino,and so it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto. It's orbit is 1 year difference from Pluto. Therefore,it's astronomically similar to Pluto and should be astrologically similar to Pluto. It is named after Etruscan God of the Dead.


Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Orcus:
Orcus - A lord of the underworld. Orbital Period: 248.01 yr.

Positive: a person of one’s word, challenges broken promises, aligned with a spiritual creed, accountable for personal thought, word and deed

Negative: hypocritical, fault finding in the ways of others, blame assigning, ducks responsibility for word and actions, unable to keep promises

Mundane: contracts, oaths to organizations, religions or countries, creeds

Ceremonial: declaring faith, writing creeds, channeling the latest cosmic downloads and formatting it into doctrine


negative words of Orcus fit Garrido and how he treated Jaycee

man .......those transneptunians and Nessus are no joke!

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted September 02, 2009 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some questions.....

Glaucus you said that victims and abusers often have the same placement, why? does this mean that the victim could have been the abuser and vice-versa if nature/nurture had shaped them differently?

and also when you speak of Mythology....

do you think that one can believe in Astrology without believing in Mythology?
Not saying that I don't, for sure.
I mean, I guess I always believed that Mythology was more of a parable, a teaching tool. I mean I've wondered if it was real, but with all the "Gods" in it, it would seem to conflict with Christianity, as in there being only one God, so I'm kind of confused about that.

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posted September 02, 2009 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read Ramirez wasn't turned over by a crowd, but that Ramirez threw himself at a squad car to get away from the mob trying to tear him apart. Unfortunately, the cop saved him.

IIRC, he grew up in Texas abused by Pentecostals. Ah, yes, he was from El Paso...here are pages of details on him:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/ramirez/terror_1.html

As for mythology (though Christianity is just another form of mythology), plenty see those as just "maps of the astral/collective unconscious." IOW, they're symbolic of spiritual forces, and you don't have to see them as "real" (maybe "quasi-real" is a better word?). And I heard an astrologer say that as the planets were discovered, their names were chosen from within based on what was inspired, which was what was "closest" to the planet in question, occultly speaking. And I know an atheist witch who uses the myths in her spellcasting fearlessly and effectively, and in many years no harm has come to her that I can tell for her "blasphemy."

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posted September 02, 2009 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I am in total agreement with Dervish.

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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posted September 02, 2009 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Glaucus you said that victims and abusers often have the same placement, why? does this mean that the victim could have been the abuser and vice-versa if nature/nurture had shaped them differently?"

I don't know.

but the aspects in perpetrators of crimes,wrongdoings are also found in victims of crimes,wrongdoings.

My mother and I were victims of violent crime. My mother was shot by a schizophrenic man when she was 20,and I was 3 days before turning 3.

The dude was in prison,and a policemen argued against his release. He was thought to be too dangerous and unstable. He shouldn't have never been released from prison. He was sentenced to 12 years for shooting my mom,and I feel that's not enough time. He almost killed my mom,and he transformed our lives in negative ways. My mom has mental and physical health problems in connection to the shooting.

That's why I believe in much harsher punishments for violent criminals. For many years,I was a strong believer in death penalty. I have changed my mind about it because too many innocent people have been in prison for crimes that they didn't commit. I just don't believe in playing God.
Also many people get justice and revenge mixed up. Interesting,Libra is associated with Justice and Scorpio is associated with Revenge. Justice involves being objective and detached from the situation. Revenge involves being subjective and attached to the situation.
Interestingly, Libra constellation used to be part of a much bigger Scorpio constellation. Libra was actually the Scorpion's claws.
a matter of fact, Alpha Libra Star, Zuben Elgenubi means the Southern Claws of the Scorpion. Beta Libra Star, Zuben Eschamali means the Northern Claws of the Scorpion.
most of tropical Scorpio is in the Libra constellation.


The scales and the journey into the underworld are a theme in Babylonian and Egyptian theology, where there souls of the dead passed through a doorway into the Hall of Judgment and were tested and weighed on a great scale. The Romans associated Libra with judgment or justice, as they saw this part of the sky as their goddess, Astraea (Virgo), who held the Scales (Libra) in her hands. Therefore, the themes of judgment/and or justice are themes of the Libra constellation.


My Mom's chart ruler Moon and my chart ruler Mercury conjunct Zuben Eschamali which is also in a nadir and culminating paran with my Venus.

both Zuben Eschamali and Zuben Elgenubi are said involved in matters to do with social reform or social justice.


My mother and I happen to have hard aspects involving transneptunians in combination to personal planets,angles. I already listed mine in this thread. My Mom's most notable one is Orcus conjunct Ascendant with 11 minutes of arc.


some believe that people have gone through violent things in presents have committed violent things in pastlives. Some believe that we are meant to go through certain lessons and that we attract certain people that teach us those lessons.


I have a strong interest karmic,evolutionary Astrology myself, but I would never impose my views on others. I try to use my strong Eris energy to tolerant/accept diversity of other's views,beliefs,etc. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that I have to agree. The main thing is not to assume that I am right and others are wrong but consider that others could be right too and I could be wrong as well as we can also share truth. It's all relative imho.
Interestingly, Albert Einstein had Moon square Eris. He had Mercury conjunct Eris in Right Ascension.


because of my own past, I am interested in looking at charts of people that are involved in violent crimes as victims or perpetrators. Of course, I am definitely not afraid of my own indicators because I already went through my own intense,deadly,transforming experiences. I have dealt with physical,mental abuse from my parents. My mother was violent with me when I was a kid....especially in my teenage years (the bigger I got, the more she thought it was okay to hit me.....I became more rebellious the more I got older,and that made her more enraged). She was very mentally unstable. So my hard transneptunian aspects don't just reflect the shooting but also the abuse from her and my stepfather. My mother was more the abusive parent. I was afraid of her temper. I even thought she would kill me one day. Also..I have gotten involved in arguments in the past, and she did threaten to kill me. That was after I stayed with her after I got out of the navy. She didn't mean it though. She was angry. That's how intense my mom is. She and I had a very volatile relationship. I would even say that it was a love n' hate relationship. Now, we get along. I have forgiven her. Because of her serious health problems, I feel that it is my responsibility and obligation as her only child to be there for her and support her. Resentment has been replaced with compassion for the most part.

My mother and I definitely had evolutionary intensified experiences that seem to be reflected by our strong transneptunian energies.

I am not too crazy about my retrograde Eris in Aries conjunct retrograde Chiron in 8th, my retrograde Sedna in Taurus 8th. Those look like potential of being a murder victim. However, these could be indicators of what I have experienced in my past with my mom's shooting. Lightning hardly ever strikes twice. I don't see myself being a victim of a violent crime again. If I am ever in danger again, I can now defend myself and my loved ones just like my mom defended herself and me.


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posted September 02, 2009 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry for what you went through, Glaucus, and I'm glad you've forgiven your parents. It shows great strength of character on your part.

I also forgive the four people who raised me, and all the things I was subjected to. I've come to the understanding that they did the best they could with what they knew.

I feel against the death penalty for the same reasons. No one has the right to play God. Some of these people are seriously mentally ill, and that should be taken into consideration, but getting a not guilty virdict on the basis of insanity plea is next to impossible these days.

Society does not want to deal with mental illness. They say we don't have the resources anymore. And the mental health system was radically changed when housing the mentally ill long term was abolished.
Believe me, if I could have had my schizophrenic brother comitted, I would have. He is currently living on the streets. At least in a facility he would have been fed, clothed, and received medication. Now he will probably become a casualty. The most I've been able to do was get him comitted for 72 hours for evalutaion. After that it is the persons choice. The meds they gave him during the 72 hours was not in his system long enough to change his thinking patterns, so he always left the hospital and ripped up his presciptions, sigh, what can you do?

I find it interesting that the majority of prisoners on death row become religious. I suppose they are visited by preists and ministers on a regular basis and urged to repent their sins. Knowing one is on death row, and fairly certain death would be carried out is probably a strong driving force to repent.

Charles Manson is NOT on death row, and interestingly enough, he has not repented, does not claim responsibility, still blames others. In fact, I don't think he has ever confessed in any meaningful way.
Many think that is the difference between a mentally ill person and an evil person.

I find it ironic that those that support the death penalty, usually DO NOT support abortion. Either one is playing God, IMHO, so what is the difference??

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I read all of that you supplied us, thank you, Dervish.

Seems like alot of detail on the crimes and not so much on the whys, par for the course with serial killers, unless you hear it from them directly.

His Father gave like one or two statments? And nothing about his Mom?
I guess if you were the parent of a serial killer it would be so incredibly painful that you wouldn't want to discuss and dissect his childhood, and possibly put yourself up to the scrutiny of others who would want to find blame.

From what I see there, it seems like there was mental illness in his family, i.e., cousin Mike..Plus Ramirez suffering from the seizure disorder could have been an early warning signal.
But this reflects Dahmer's theory in a way.
Ramirez watched his cousin shoot his wife in the face at age 13. Dahmer dissected that frog at 15, he maintains that violence which ends in death during a boys adolescent years (and of course a predisposition) can define and alter their view of sex. The making of a serial killer? I don't know. Just one component, one theory. The hormones are powerful at that age, that is what Dahmer wanted to tell people, be careful what your son is exposed to.
What irks me in some of these news stories is the speculation that rock music makes people committ murder.
It is just ridiculous. Like Ramirez, I skipped school, smoked pot and wore out records of Ac/Dc and Judas Preist.
I have trouble killing bugs, so that is just dumb.
Also they wrote alot about his alleged satanic beliefs. Where were his books, notes, things from his room? Usually people who practice forms of magic, practice it with others because it is more powerful that way.
So, maybe Ramirez was a poseur?

I often wonder, does being evil drive you insane, or does being insane make some people evil?

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posted September 02, 2009 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another thing, I know that Ramirez, Bundy and Dahmer were all the victims of bullying and ridicule from school mates at a very young age. Dahmer's started way early, he begged his Mother not to send him.
I haven't looked at the others to compare, but surely this plays a major part in the making of a serial killer.
Aileen Wournos was as well.
Let me go and check about Gacy, now I'm curious.
I don't think so with Manson, he lived on the streets and in juvie most of his life since his mom was a prostitute. I think he learned how to defend himself quite early.

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posted September 02, 2009 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Charles Manson
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Cincinatti, Oh.

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John Allen Muhammad nee Williams aka "DC Sniper"
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