posted August 27, 2009 10:27 PM         

I would say that having 2 Liliths (Black Moon Lilith and the asteroid) might indicate a strong feminist type that is passionate about women's rights and equality in general. The person can be nonconformist and perhaps rebellious in some way. This is especially so if it's the true Black Moon Lilith because it's movement is far more erratic which fits more with the Moon and the nature of Lilith than the mean Black Moon Lilith. They might not be like being told what to do. They won't like to submit to anybody. They might have experienced the mother that way too.

also... Black Moon Lilith is the lunar apogee, and so actually has strong lunar symbolism/energy
therefore a person with Moon conjunct Black Moon Lilith can be highly emotional,sensitive,intuitive,and strongly influenced by the unconscious

but with it being the lunar apogee (the furthest point of the Moon's orbit from the Earth), there is the shadow side of the Moon....there can be the possibility of confronting material from the unconscious. There is a possibility of being overly emotional and can be full of rage,resentment from things that happened in the past which can even be connected to a possible pastlife. That's if you are referring to the true Black Moon Lilith placement that goes retrograde. Mean Black Moon Lilith doesn't go retrograde.

the asteroid Lilith can be more about concerns about society,social consciousness

it can be powerful placement for better or worse.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 27, 2009 10:48 PM         

I guess it's time to confess that the person is indeed me. (don't run away now )

posted August 28, 2009 04:15 AM         

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also... Black Moon Lilith is the lunar apogee, and so actually has strong lunar symbolism/energy therefore a person with Moon conjunct Black Moon Lilith can be highly emotional,sensitive,intuitive,and strongly influenced by the unconscious

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This placement is exact on my chart to the second. Quite creepy, really.

It is also conjunct Pluto with a 3 degree orb. Strong on gut instincts, I'll go with that. I like to think I am strong self-awareness, and don't delude myself when I make an error of judgement. I doubt anyone would describe me as highly emotional but I would hope I am sensitive to other people's feelings. When they deserve it, lol.

Am I scary? I get patted on the head a bit due to my physical appearance though I am nearly 40. Mostly no-one tries to mess though, they soon clock on that wouldn't be very sensible.

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They might not be like being told what to do. They won't like to submit to anybody. They might have experienced the mother that way too.

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After re-reading Raymond's post have to say, yes, he is spot on with this analysis.

posted August 28, 2009 04:26 AM         

His mean BML conj my merkur/uranus/pluto stellium. BML are between my uranus and pluto.

His pluto also square my venus/nod/mars stellium

My pluto sextile his venus.

Does anyone know if it could be dangerous?

posted August 28, 2009 04:48 PM         

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Am I scary? I get patted on the head a bit due to my physical appearance though I am nearly 40. Mostly no-one tries to mess though, they soon clock on that wouldn't be very sensible.

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I wonder if I scare people too? Everytime I casually glance at someone, I get the same weird reaction. My moon/BML/DML is in the 8th house too....in Virgo.

As for how men and women are treated in society: I don't know, I feel like I tend to reject alot of female archetypes, or atleast want to remake them. I've never been comfortable in the 'girlfriend' role, and the role of wife and mother makes me want to GAG.

As for super intense feelings? Define intense....... I guess I feel deeply but never show it much (my moon and Asc. are earth). *shrugs*

And Glaucus, I definitely do have a rebellious streak...I always thought it was on account of mars square uranus in my chart, but thats interesting that the BML has somethin' to do with it too. Though I'm not so much passionate about 'women's' rights as I am passionate about equality/dignity for EVERYONE, no matter what you are. I don't consider myself that maternal either, but working in a Pediatrics Unit will do strange things to you.

posted August 28, 2009 05:16 PM         

Lilith was the first feminist
She was said to be the first wife of Adam.
Adam wanted her to be on the bottom with him on top, and she wasn't having it. She would not submit to him,and so she left.

So then God made Eve who was submissive a

Think of it like this

Adam: woman, let me lie on top of you
Lilith: Hell No...I will get on top of you
Eve: Ok, honey

Adam: woman, go fix me some dinner
Lilith: Go fix your own damned dinner
Eve: Ok, I will do that.

btw...I don't believe that the role of Eve is better than Lilith nor vice versa.....just different types of women.
It's just relative to what one prefers as well as the cultural beliefs,etc.
Therefore,it's not about who is better nor what's the right way of doing things.

some say that Lilith was a Mesopotamiam storm demon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html http://www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/lilith.html

the Astrology of Lilith http://www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/lilithastro.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/lilith-dark-moon.html

my favorite is the stuff by Juan Revilla because of the astronomical content. He explains how the astronomical,orbital features of true black Moon lilith fits
with the mythological Lilith. He also makes points that Lilith asteroid is social, and that Black Moon Lilith is not social. He also points out that the female centaur,Chariklo has Lilithian overtones. http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/blackmoon/lilith.html

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 29, 2009 12:08 AM         

I agree with you, MVM

that's why I mentioned earlier in the thread:
"can be highly emotional,sensitive,intuitive,and strongly influenced by the unconscious"

the aforementioned things can give her perception,insight into the psyches of others. It stems from not only her high sensitivity but from understanding of what goes on in the unconscious mind.

outer planets are also be related to intuition due to their being metaphysically oriented objects due to their orbiting beyond Saturn, the planet of physical boundaries.
this is especially so for the transneptunians because of their orbits beyond Neptune,the planet associated psychicism and mysticism. They're about the unknown,the depths,hidden.

strong Black Moon influence don't necessarily indicate a feminist, but a potential to be a feminist is very strong because of not only its highly feminine nature but also its equality-oriented and nonconformist nature.

I also believe that it might also depend on which Black Moon (lunar apogee) to use

there is the mean Black Moon (the mean lunar apogee)
that is Lilith that is listed with the major asteroids and some transneptunians at astro.com

there is the true Black Moon (the osculating lunar apogee)
that is h13 at astro.com

here is more stuff on Lilith and black moon http://www.tdjacobs.com/NotesonLilith.html http://www.mountainastrologer.com/standards/editor%27s%20choice/articles/lil ith_hunter/lilith.html

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted August 30, 2009 01:59 PM         

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Yeah, seeing underlying intentions, motives, whatever is pretty much second nature to me which means.....uh-huh, I can see through most people's BS.

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Careful, though, because with that moon conjunction, especially if you have Cancer energies in your chart, this dynamic could cause a chip on your shoulder. Not paranoia exactly, but a real readiness/urgency to immediately see and call out people's BS, rather than letting them be, and taking the time to listen to them and get to know them and let what is surprising and beautiful about them unfold.

posted August 30, 2009 04:47 PM         

BML is lunar apogee which is the point of the Moon's orbit that is farthest from the Earth.

lunar perigree is the point of the Moon's orbit that is closest to the Earth.

Sun conjunct the lunar perigree is actually a strong lunar influence. It's not the shadow side of the Moon like the BML is.

There is like a similarity with Sun conjunct Moon.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”

posted August 30, 2009 05:26 PM         

that kind of made a chill run down my back a bit, Raymond!

maybe you could elaborate "a strong lunar influence" a bit for me? because you say it's not the shadow side of the moon, but the first thing that came up to my mind when i read "a strong lunar influence" was my relationship with my bipolar mother and what effects she has had on my life. but that sounds more like the shadow side of it.