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woah city
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posted August 30, 2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
HMM. it just occurred to me that leos don't really get JEALOUS, do they? their pride wouldn't really allow for such a base emotion, would it? but there is something LIKE jealousy in the leo makeup, isn't there (and yup, i am generalizing. about leo energy, and not taking into account other potential factors in jealousy, just the leo thang itself.)?

it seems that fixed signs need to keep things going and steady. scorpios get jealous but generally hide it. they are emotion, so that is their way of reacting when what they want to keep steady is threatened. taurus is more possessive than jealous, but this can extend into jealousy, however being earth, it isn't the primary m.o. it's like a thick sense of wanting to hold on in the heart, to hold on physically, not so much the sting of jealousy that scorpio experiences internally. aquarius is attached to thought about the thing and needs to mentally find and keep that thing that is special and worth thinking about going. it gets jealous, in theory okay deep down there is jealousy, but it can always be rationalized and thus isn't overwhelming. so

what does leo feel? i know it's something LIKE jealousy, and it relates to its fixity, but leo is so grand and full of life i can't see it dwelling in that way. it's more proactive or something. it's on the tip of my brain, but as i lack in leo (and major in the other fixed signs), i'd really love to know. plus it's the fourth leg in my t-square and my draco sun. so you'll be helping me be a better person if you have the answer. heheh.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anicia     Edit/Delete Message
I think it just may be a need to come first, or stand out. With me it isn't with everyone, but definitely with the people that I'm closest to.

I know there have been a few times where I've simply walked away from people because I didn't feel like I was getting what I was putting into the relationship or I felt like I was being replaced or was no longer needed.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
thanks anicia! yeah.. it's sort of like aquarius in that sense. a sort of detachment. like it knows its worth and it is so good at GIVING love and honouring its worth in self an others that it cannot not be loyal (being fixed) to that, and so when this is not honoured, all it can do is walk away, with its pride more or less in tact. whereas aquarius is mentally playing with theories along the same lines; finding the golden thought and way of mentally viewing 'love', and so can detach when its intentions is not being honoured or recognized. something like that.

just like how taurus isn't really JEALOUS. it's more like it is offering stability and is more interested in nurturing and building upon what is there, while scorpio is more immersed in emotions and reacts to what is there or what isn't.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Well, as a Leo (but with a 8th house solar stellium, a Hades Moon, and Pluto squaring a bunch of my chart), I've been jealous and controlling in a couple of relationships where my Pluto was tightly conjunct the poor Libra's Sun. In other relationships, I have been very freedom-loving and laid back...it really depends on my dynamic with the individual guy and how it makes me feel.

(Immature) Leos sometimes struggle with possessiveness (all the fixed signs have this, I think) and a sense of entitlement, inflated ego, and pride. When I was a wee teen Leo, for example, if a man I was interested in but not involved with hooked up with a beautiful, successful model or starlet, I would be LESS jealous and angry than if he hooked up with a girl I thought was less beautiful than me. I'd be all furious, like "She doesn't deserve that because cshe's not good enough!!!" or "He's insulting and infuriating me because his hooking up with her implies that I'M average!!!"

I outgrew this pretty much before I hit age 20 (not to say that I am a mature Leo yet, just that I have learned that my ego does not bring me happiness and fun, which are the real Leo priorities), but I know a couple of adult Leos who have a muted version of that kind of pride/snobbery.

Not-yet-mature Leos also have to struggle with jealousy/envy/wounded pride at any indication that the universe does not revolve around them. Because often when we are wee lions, the world DOES revolve around our necessary light...then we learn that our whole solar system, in which we do play the lead role, is one of MANY solar systems in a vast, infinite universe.

A happy Leo is one who learns that there is more than enough love, success, happiness, attention, and victory to go around. Sometimes when we are young and immature, it seems counterintuitive to celebrate someone else's success or to encourage our partner to enjoy an independent life, but actually, generosity of heart is central to Leo happiness, and once we start acting on it we feel more ourselves, I think. (Not to generalize for all Leos.)

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posted August 30, 2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anicia     Edit/Delete Message
I have an 11th house Sun and Aquarius Moon. My Sun opposes also opposes Saturn.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
I used to get jealous a lot, when I was younger. I think jealously comes with a lack of maturity and positive self-esteem. I'm a Leo Sun so I also tend to get really upset if someone that I really like ignores me, but doesn't everyone feel this way occasionally?


I'll have to do some more research on Leo and jealously, because my special friend is a Leo Sun with Leo Ascendant and Scorpio moon, which seems like a combo full of jealous inclinations, but I haven't witnessed this side of him and hopefully I never will. But I tend to leave details out that would, perhaps, make him jealous, lol!

I forgot to mention that my Leo Sun is in the 8th house and is square my Pluto in Scorpio, so that may explain my past jealous tendencies.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anicia     Edit/Delete Message
"When I was a wee teen Leo, for example, if a man I was interested in but not involved with hooked up with a beautiful, successful model or starlet, I would be LESS jealous and angry than if he hooked up with a girl I thought was less beautiful than me. I'd be all furious, like "She doesn't deserve that because cshe's not good enough!!!" or "He's insulting and infuriating me because his hooking up with her implies that I'M average!!!"


That really hits the nail on the head with me. I've gotten better with it, but sometimes this problem still rears it's ugly head.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, full disclosure: When I see that someone is highly desirable to others, I get more attracted to him. I'm not proud of it and I hope I outgrow it, but there it is.

I've always had a strict rule that prohibits fooling around with anyone else's boyfriend/husband (hello, Saturn)...but when I hear that a whole bunch of people I know have crushes on some guy...or when the last person he dated is famous and everyone wants her...he suddenly has an easier time getting me interested. This doesn't apply across the board--the guys I've been REALLY into I knew it at first sight and never cared about external stuff with them, I just intuitively felt they were for me--but in the past it has allowed guys I wasn't all that interested in to wear me down or manipulate me. Again, I hope to outgrow this, because it doesn't reflect my real values.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
By the way, sorry my posts seem to ignore the interesting other posts in between them...there's a weird LindaLand delay.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I am leo sun conj asc. Im not jealousy. Not at all.Maybe very occaisonally when i was young.

I have moon and venus in twins.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
haha, anicia, that could definitely account for it!

yeah lucia, i'm trying to tap into the positives of leo. don't need no wobbly fourth leg thanks for all that food for thought.

it's making me think that balancing the polarities really is necessary. leo's givingness can only really transpire when it has the detachment and lack of ego of aquarius and aquarius needs to summon and allow that warmth to infuse its detachment with purpose and joy.

in terms of jealousy and pride, i think i'm looking to balance out my t-square from its automatic sense of having to keep things stable and the same against all odds. my silly 4th house moon, progressed moon in cancer and pisces SN make me too emotional when things aren't samesame (which my taurus moon craves) and my aquarius sun is too darn detached and okay with everything, when the day is done. my uranus scorpio exactly opposing my moon just wants to run away or change things when things aren't as stable as i want them to be (very paradoxical). i want to be full of life and sunshiny resilience. what i'm feeling is a need FOR pride, but the good kind, i think. a strong sense of self. it's happening bit by bit but i think i need leo perspectives to really get a better sense of that energy.

i wondered about how leos experience jealousy because i know in itself leo isn't exactly jealous, but it turns that feeling into something brilliant, resilient and radiantly productive, at least at its best.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Popcorn, do you have many Pluto/Scorpio/8th house influences in your chart?

There are SO many 8th house Leo Suns here at LL, I notice...I guess it makes sense because we're very into astrology.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
yeah the delay sucketh. as they might have said in the 90s.

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posted August 30, 2009 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
thanks vertiver! and yeah i don't think jealousy is really healthy. but i think it being the domain of scorpio primarily, we can take a lesson from how the evolved ones deal with it. go deeper into it, to find the truth within it. its more a means to an end, and i know they are not fond of it, which is why they hide it.

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posted August 30, 2009 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia. I have only saturn in house 8 pisces. I have moon conj nessus square merk (1), uran(2), pluto (6 degree orb )but the aspect do not do me jeaolus. The aspect pattern do me more depressed and unhappy somtimes.

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posted August 30, 2009 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
haha, i just realized it really isn't about jealousy much at all. i just came at it from a weird angle. can't help it, i'm aquarius.

maybe it's because leo arouses jealousy in others, being so brilliant and confident and lovely. hmm.

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posted August 30, 2009 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
popcorn, i have 8th house saturn too. i think it tempers the jealousy quite a bit. we can tend to feel not entitled to such depths of emotion. or just too afraid of it.

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posted August 30, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
woahcity. I think you have right. I also think your aqua temper it. My moon,venus,(gemini)nod, mars (cancer) in house 11 in my chart also temper it.

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posted August 30, 2009 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message
I am very much into self-awareness and self-discovery, as most Leos are, and I think because of this I don’t get jealous. This is a pared down definition but I think that jealousy is wanting what others have, right? My thing is this: no one has exactly what I want. I blame that on my perfectionism, Saturn in Virgo, or whatever. I want what I want, which is different from what you want and no one else has that because of the whole underground weirdness in my chart and really, the weirdness in everyone else’s chart as well. If anyone has something close to what I want then I like them to act like a mentor, not as a rival. You can’t learn from rivalry, and I am big on the learning thing and as I am getting older, not afraid to ask for help.

When it comes to men, I can be a little too laid back maybe because I am a(n unintentional) flirt too. I actually think it is cute when the guy I am with flirts or shows a little arrogance (Leo rules my 7th and the Sun is there too) I am the type that joins in! Not in a sexual way, but in a playful way (Leos are known to “flirt” with both men and women). I don’t feel threatened because if you don’t want me, leave. The Aquarius in me has it intellectualized like that. When I was younger and just started dating, this wasn’t always the case. I didn’t get crazy or anything but we all live and we learn. Saturn is in my 8th so I have control over jealousy (yay, another good thing about Saturn!).

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popcorn, i have 8th house saturn too. i think it tempers the jealousy quite a bit.

I saw this just before I posted and had to add it! Agreed!

Since jealousy is Pluto’s domain then my Pluto isn’t so bad – it is in the 8th or 9th depending on the house system (I use and identify with equal house or whole signs, so, 9th) and I have enough trines (Mars, Juno) and sextiles (Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus – semi-sextile) to it to calm things down a little bit. Well, I do have that Moon conjunct Pluto. It actually has made others (friends and boyfriends) jealous of me and this has happened LOTS of times and for dumb reasons/over stupid stuff.

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posted August 31, 2009 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
more territorial than jealous.

more don't fck with what is mine.

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posted August 31, 2009 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
im a venus and mars in Leo

sometimes..yes i feel the jealousy taking control over me...i think it is more a need of attention?and that if i dont get it,i feel less than others.

it is a problem of self-esteem i guess.

but i was much more like that when i was a teen.

regarding relationships:i trust my bf and i know i dont have to be jealous of other girls..i just dont like when thet hit at him,just to see if he wants it or not...

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posted August 31, 2009 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
cpn, straight to the point, funny as fck (thanks for this 'breviation), and proud of you and yours. i like it! are you a leo sun? i've always admired this quality in your writing..

popcorn, i think you're right. although sometimes i suffer moments of terrifying jealousy. tends to point me back toward my self worth though, so it's good.

downtomars, you totally hit the nail on the head for me with this: " If anyone has something close to what I want then I like them to act like a mentor, not as a rival. You can’t learn from rivalry, and I am big on the learning thing" i totally agree with this!!

diandra, thanks.. i'm thinking about the need for attention and at what level it is healthy and relates to confidence, and where it is not such a good thing. i tend to not want attention in general, but then once in a while i ache to be seen and loved for glorious me!

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posted September 01, 2009 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Leo's do get the manes ruffled but it's usually for people they really really care about, for example if they were really in love with someone and they saw them, let's say getting touchy feely with the opposite sex and not atleast acknowledging the Leo then yes it will make the Leo uncomfortable, until they mature and feel comfortable within themselves like my great uncle is a Leo and he is very sauve and reassured in his ways that such events like these barely make him bat an eyelid. X_X

Other than that they have been pretty laid back and easy-going.

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posted September 01, 2009 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
My last boyfriend was pretty jealous. He was a Pisces Sun, Leo Moon, Cancer Rising (Aquarius Venus square Pluto).

I've dated 2 Leo Risings and they both weren't jealous at all. Perhaps because their DSC is in Aqua (my Sun conjuncts them).

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posted September 01, 2009 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I keep thinking about my cat...she rubs up against things to mark them as HERS. Male cats in the wild pee on things so that their territory is clear.

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