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Topic: Best uses of synastry analysis
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vertiver
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From: Formerly Missneptune
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posted September 10, 2009 07:37 PM
 
BTW, you should start your own astro website, your writing is very clever and entertaining! IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
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posted September 15, 2009 07:42 PM
Me personally, I really don't even look into synastry that much anymore. However, I have used it to try to understand my wife better and our relationship better. Though it must be said that I don't make decisions based off aspects. I used to use it to try to understand her thought process with mixed success. Other than that, if I know someone's bday, I may take a quick glance at the synastry and for me it's really just to see if I guessed their placements correctly. I wouldn't look seriously into synastry unless I was with a woman for at least a year. I mean, I'd take a quick glance out of curiosity but I wouldn't look up any aspects or mids or anything like that. ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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vertiver
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posted September 16, 2009 12:20 AM
So Lucia, I posted a synastry chart, but I think just stating the aspects in a list is easier. My problem has definitely deteriorated, were very affectionate with each other like we used to be. We still haven't gone all the way and I think it will take some time, but from these aspects below, do you think were sexually compatible? A = Me
B = Him A's Sun trine B's Mars A's Sun sextile B's Jupiter A's Sun conjunct B's Asc. B's Sun opposite A's Moon B's Sun sextile A's Venus B's Sun square A's Jupiter
A's Moon trine B's Venus
B's Moon quincunx A's Venus B's Moon opposite A's Jupiter B's Mercury square A's Asc. A's Venus quintile B's Mars A's Venus opposite B's Saturn B's Venus square A's Mars B's Venus quincunx A's Ascendant A's Mars conjunct B's Mars A's Ascendant trine B's Ascendant IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 16, 2009 12:44 AM
Vertiver, that's exactly the sort of yes-or-no question that I'm saying I think is not a constructive use of synastry. Sexual compatiblity is not some fixed thing that you can decide you do or do not have in the abstract. Sex is something for two people to explore together.All the erotic energies in any chart can play out in many different ways--for example, a snug Mars-Venus conjunction is different between a parent and child than between two lovers. Looking at your synastry, I still like my initial advice based on the natals: tell him that you would like him to be your first. (That is, of course, if you are feeling turned on by him and excited about having sex with him.) I don't think your plan to "just be more patient" is too great for a young Leo Sun/Aries Mars couple. I'd be LESS patient and get this ball rolling! I know it can be more reassuring to have a stranger on the internet look at where your Whatever conjucts his Hooha in a chart and declare that he wants you...but what I've been trying to say in this thread is that it's a false reassurance. Look at the charts yourself to try to figure out ways to enhance communication. Or, better yet, ditch the charts and learn to really get in touch with your intuition and to bravely move towards asking for what you want. IP: Logged |
LanaofAugust
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posted September 16, 2009 12:59 AM
Lucia23, I like the way you reason and I agree.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted September 16, 2009 02:58 AM
I agree with Lucia.A list of synastric aspect will not tell you much. Every planet and thus every aspect has several potential interpretations; so you never know if a Mars-Mars-conjunct might indicate sexual attraction or that you can work together well as a team. Both are valid interpretations for this aspect. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted September 16, 2009 01:55 PM
This is why astrology confuses me! There is just so many interpretations to everything and I guess no yes or no answers, I suppose its kinda like life. I wasn't trying to pull that "soul mate" thing on you, at least. I mean I'm pretty negative about relationships or long term ones in general. I see so many people that sacrifice way too much for the sake of love? Being intuitive is really important in relationships, but sometimes it seems like it all depends on the mood. Which goes along with aspects, I mean a Venus - Mars square might look promising one day or the culprit of inequality in a relationship another day, And like Got Gemini said, its probably more beneficial to look at synastry after the relationship has been brewing for a while... I don't know if its me, but it seems like the Desc. and aspects is really what you feel in a relationship the majority of the time. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 16, 2009 04:00 PM
Lists of aspects! Geez, I've met people with whom I have earth shacking aspects, just like how I've seen some really amazing aspects between others..With someone, I have:
- his n.Eros/n.Psyche right on my n.AC;
- his n.Moon/n.Venus on my n.Moon/n.Venus;
- his n.Karma/n.Destinn/n.etc. right on my n.Sun; - my d.Karma right on his d.AC;
- my d.Eros/d.Psyche near his n.AC;
- his d.Eros/d.Psyche on my n.NN;
- his d.Karma conjunct my n.Karma and his d.Destinn conjunct my d.Destinn; ..and etc., you name it. XP So omg, why aren't we together with all these (and some other) soulmate aspects? But before talking about it, let's look at another case: - his n.Eros conjunct her n.Mars;
- her n.Eros conjunct his n.Venus;
- his n.Mars conjunct her n.Venus; ..and all these conjunctions are just some degrees apart from each other!
There are also some awesome aspects that would make anyone drop jaws, but well, the fact is (or at least from what I can know lol), the owners of these aspects are far from sharing any love feelings with each other.
Oh well, enough of awesome aspects list. XP Back to the point.. the point is, awesome aspects between two people doesn't necessarily grant that there would be long term relationship or even attraction at all. That is why it is important to look at the whole picture to determine the nature and the basic dynamics of the relationship. Coz it doesn't really matter if you have "something special" between each other, if in fact the relationship isn't really working at all in the reality.
Now this is just a personal experience.. In the cases I've looked at, synastry aspects can indeed point out to how compatible and how much affinity two people can have, yet it seems that the relationship dynamics are indeed shown by composite charts. For example, in the first case listed in this post, our composite showed that getting together might be hard (Venus/Jupiter midpoint squared by Uranus), and it was actually true in the real life, as many factors constantly kept us distant. I've also noticed a similar aspect in another case in which the "couple" had many factors that often kept them apart too.
So this is just like in the reality - no matter how compatible we can be, it might not work out if the relationship itself doesn't work out; whereas two person can be less compatible but still work out if the relationship is actually good.
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Lucia23
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posted September 16, 2009 07:02 PM
Eh. But I don't think you can tell from just the charts--even if you look at synastry, composite, and carefully at both natals--whether people are a parent/child, two lovers, strangers, a celebrity and a groupie, etc. You might see indications of those things in the chart, but it's all just potential. I firmly believe that when it comes to synastry AND composites, sometimes circumstance, age, sex, culture, class, status, and other issues not deterministically predictable in the chart render ANY chart comparison relatively meaningless.One problem with synastry AND composites is that they falsely, and mathematically, imply that ANY two people you compare will each effect each other. Compare me with ANYONE on this board in a synastry, and every songle one of their planets,asteroids, angles, etc will hit my chart SOMEWHERE and vice-versa. So Comica23, I disagree about the synastry vs. composite compatibility thing. Sometimes one person can be deeply, epically irrelevent to another--even a colleague they have a crush on--and if the charts were to reflect that accurately, sometimes A's planets would fall NOWHERE in B's chart. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 16, 2009 07:05 PM
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There is just so many interpretations to everything and I guess no yes or no answers, I suppose its kinda like life.
Vertiver, I believe Vedic astrology has yes or no answers! Although, I don't know much about it. Sometimes hearing yes/no answers is comforting. And see, the reason the whole "Soul Mates" thing is trickier and more self-delusional than something like asking, "Are we sexually compatible?" is that people can hang on to their desperate fantasies against reality---"He's madly in love with someone else, but that's just in THIS lifetime...He got a restraining order, because he's running from our Soul Connection" etc etc etc. Deciding someone is your "Soul Mate" dooms them to a connection with you even if they have said "NO" to it!! I find that very different from deciding someone is the love of your life--that just means your romantic/sexual love for them feels more intense and important to you than your feelings for others. Way different from obsessively checking out 400 of the poor person's asteroid placements to decide that they are meant to be with you sometime at some level if not here and now. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted September 16, 2009 07:29 PM
Chinese astrology and Vedic astrology are both way more straight forward, it might have to do with the translation as well. But Vedic astrology is really ominous in general and was mostly used for gauging compatibility in arranged marriages, yikes!
I like your take on soul mates, even people that aren't into astrology can have those delusions of grandeur for another person, in fact I can admit to it myself. Fortunately sanity really helps to decipher fact from fiction. Or maybe some Earth?
In a way, saying someone is the love of your life is more intense than saying were soul mates, because it leaves out the responsibility of the other person being obligated to go along with it as well. Its just you, saying it!
Going back to synastry, I think the concept of projection the anima or animus, makes more sense. Maybe the planets really just represent a projection of these?
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Lucia23
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posted September 16, 2009 07:59 PM
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In a way, saying someone is the love of your life is more intense than saying were soul mates, because it leaves out the responsibility of the other person being obligated to go along with it as well. Its just you, saying it!
Exactly!! BTW Vertiver, I will indulge in a Vedic interlude and tell you that your synastry with that Leo looks potentially very very nice indeed. I hope you two will enjoy taking it to the next level. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 16, 2009 08:14 PM
Lucia23, first, my whole post's idea was that just good aspects doesn't necessarily grant good results, which already implies that I do see aspects as potentials only. ^_~;Second, there's no "synastry vs composite" in my post - again, I've mentioned about "looking the whole picture", which means looking at both synastry and composite, and not just either one of them (which is also implied in the post when I've mentioned that only certain aspects is not enough to draw conclusions). quote:
One problem with synastry AND composites is that they falsely, and mathematically, imply that ANY two people you compare will each effect each other.
As you mentioned, the charts can show potentials between people. And well, just coz we don't meet with everyone else, it doesn't mean that these charts are "falsely", as how can we deem these potentials as false just coz we haven't met everyone else? They are not false, it's just we haven't met them in the real life anyways.Well, I'm not sure if charts can really tell everything, including being blood-related to someone or not. But well, due to these limitations, we also have to use some information we already know from the real life to analyze a situation - but then it doesn't mean that astrology is "falsely". Science can't predict everything yet, but it doesn't mean that the rest is invalid. And besides, we can't brand something as false/lie just coz we don't have enough knowledge/skill in that field.
*edited* by the way, "the whole picture" also refers to transits, progressions, and etc.. ^_~;
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DD
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posted September 17, 2009 01:45 AM
I believe astrology is some kind of language, used to describe things.We may know a lot vocabulary, but we are still not really sure about every aspect of the grammar. We just guess, and that will lead to mistakes. So basicallyI believe astrology does tell us a lot about people`s personality or even how they affect each other, but we just can`t read it properly. Also, Lucia, sure you affect everyone you have contact with. The question is just to what degree and in what way.  IP: Logged |
lionseye***
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posted September 17, 2009 02:02 AM
I've tried to make the best use of the synastry, even when it yelled out "not friggen likely"...I've used it to try to appeal to the guy behind the sun, didn't work cuz it could't last forever with me as a phony,,I've been with guys who have tried to fake as well..to no avail.
Everything comes out in the wash, as my mom always said.
If you need to re-invent yourself to make it work, it's probably not going to stand the test of time. Unless you are extra specially good at suppressing yourself. but probably not. IP: Logged |
lionseye***
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posted September 17, 2009 02:43 AM
And whats wrong with loving a flawed human being anyway? Like I'm perfect..?IP: Logged |
lionseye***
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posted September 17, 2009 02:52 AM
arrg. No matter what we say, you will find each other. So what more can we say. other than PROTECT YOUR WILLY.
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comica23
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posted September 17, 2009 11:08 AM
I guess that we could spend an eternity if we want to find someone perfect. XPI believe that, whether there's reincarnation or not, we are all in some kind of journey. Each of us have our own journey to walk, yet our paths might cross each other's sometimes.
Other people's presences in our lives are rare and precious, so we should treasure these relationships and learn from each other even if someday we have to separate. So if that day comes, then it might be sad, yet we can still wish each other happiness in each other's journeys. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 17, 2009 11:10 AM
Once, a friend of mine said "find someone with whom you have compatible flaws"~ X3IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted September 17, 2009 11:38 AM
Paths crossing can also be as simple as circumstances. I just was thinking that I probably never would of been interested in certain people had it not been for the fact that I go to college and share common annoyances about how ridiculous sororities and fraternities really are. And also I think were drawn to certain people to learn life lessons and influence us to change ourselves. And Lucia, I guess I'll just go with the flow when comes to that Leo. I really don't want to wrap myself up to much in the fact that I'm really compatible with this person, far more than even my closet best friends. I don't know if its because were far more intellectually compatible than I am with my other friends or that I always just have so much fun with him. The neatest thing is that we like each other equally, luckily I'm not putting all my eggs in a basket for a unrealistic response. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted September 17, 2009 11:59 AM
The thing is, I'm just not sure I've found a way to use synastry or other astrological tools in a very constructive way that helps me.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted September 17, 2009 03:00 PM
Hmm I guess that astrology can be used as a scheme that translates situations, so that it helps us to structure and clarify our thoughts and feelings. But well, the problem is, although astrology can help us see the dynamics of a situation clearer, we still have to figure it out how to solve the issues by ourselves.IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted September 17, 2009 08:39 PM
So true! IP: Logged | |
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