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carl
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posted September 16, 2009 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
I guess I did not see it coming. I was over confident in some regards. I was to optimistic, and, well, I felt like I was coasting along with this relationship, which was fine with me. Because I liked the comfort and solidness, despite the distance. Yes, this was a Long distance relationship. Still, I managed to see her five times, and she saw me five times, each visit was 3-4 weeks at a time. She also lived with me for a year and we traveled together for 8 weeks. So I was over confident, because of the effort we put into this, and how much we saw each other despite the distance. I thought we both wanted this. I figured those feelings would last forever until we found a way.

But after 3.5 years, it all came apart. I like to think in my mind that in a world full of turmoil, some things ARE solid, my love for this girl being the most solid, as well as her love for me.

But one of the few solid things in my life has now broken down. When I will recover is a question I will ask for a while. I don't know. I have cried maybe three times since I was 14 (I am now 24). All three times directly related to her. Twice because I was leaving her after we had seen each other, and now today. I had a real hard time expressing myself for the first 2.5 years, as she would express herself openly. She even asked if I took things seriously once, because I would laugh and joke and even look numb as we departed the first few times, despite a deep sadness within. I kept it all within. Our last two departures put that question to rest. Towards the end of the relationship, my feelings poured out a lot despite trying to hide them. God, I was crying as I boarded that plane the last time I visited her. It was one of the most intense moments, sadness wise, as my heart sunk to levels unheard of.

I will miss this girl. This is an ode to a girl I may always love, even if it is ten years from now.... it will at least be slightly, but it will be.

We broke up respectively, like adults. I HOPE we will eventually remain friends. But hearing those words "I am just not sure I see a future, I just don't think I love you anymore" stung. It crushed me as I scrambled to find words to keep the conversation flowing, in complete disbelief.

By the way, thanks booze.

Anyways, I loved her. I just didn't realize how much and how strong until towards the end. And as much as I tried to disguise it as we said our goodbyes on skype, my tears made me remember just how much I felt, once again. I tried so hard to hide them but I think she could tell what was going on. They came late in the relationship, but when they came, they came HARD!

Heartbroken Carl who apologizes for being incoherent and not very descriptive and all over the place.
Nov. 6, 1984, 11:47 am

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Glaucus
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posted September 16, 2009 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
carl,

I am very sorry about your breakup. I've been there. It really hurt. I can truly empathize with you. I am finally over mine.

They say that things happen for a reason.
Maybe you two weren't meant to be lifelong partners. Maybe you are meant to be with somebody else that you will meet in the future. This woman could be a much better match for you. She could end up making you forget all about the other woman.


again,I am sorry for your breakup.

if you want, I could go over your chart.

you didn't give your birthplace.

peace


Raymond

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carl
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posted September 16, 2009 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the understanding buddy.

New Haven, CT.

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GypseeWind
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posted September 16, 2009 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Carl;
I am so sorry too. I also know how you feel. Most of us here probably do.

You never forget your first real love. But you do learn from it and time erases the intensity of the pain. I swear.

Someone once told me to be glad (as I'm crying my eyeballs out of my head) that this happened because some folks go their whole lives long and never have a love, so you can look at it that way, and be glad for the wonderful times and the happiness you shared.

I hope you can be friends too. I am friends with all my exes, except one who was violent, and these friendships enrich my life to this day.

Best wishes. Take care of yourself, and be kind to you.

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etherealenlightenment
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posted September 16, 2009 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for etherealenlightenment     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to hear about that, Carl. I've been there as well. Your wounds will heal with time. It's true.

Here is your chart: I'm going to let some of the more experienced astrologers on here interpret it for you

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posted September 16, 2009 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
sorry carl

a friend of mine is born a week later than you, and i know how big his heart is. don't beat yourself up, give yourself time to understand what you can from this situation, there is always some good that you can take and apply in new relationship;


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Lucia23
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posted September 16, 2009 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry to hear that, Carl. It sounds like you handled it really well.

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Glaucus
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posted September 16, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Transiting Venus in your 7th is squaring your Lunar Nodes when you posted this chart, and that could indicate possible involving love and relationships that conflict with the karmic past/present, associations,connections with others.

Transiting retrograde Jupiter is squaring your Saturn and Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis, and that can indicate the expansion,judgment can conflict with your social status,career,and domestic environment. This could seem like friction,tension in regards to goals,lifeplans.
It is also not uncommon to relocate during this transit. With transiting Jupiter retrograde Jupiter in your 1st, it can indicate reflective judgment about yourself. It can be a time of inward expansion.

Transiting Jupiter goes direct in 17'09 Aquarius on October 13th, and that's squaring your Saturn and Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. That is definitely a significant time for you. Transiting Jupiter goes into 17'00 Aquarius on January 3rd of next year, and that is where Jupiter went retrograde. Therefore, retrograde shadow period is over on that day. From between October 13th of this year and January 3rd of this year, there can be a time when there is a resolution about things involving your career and domestic environment.

Transiting Saturn is conjunct your Juno with 8 minutes of arc separating,and that can indicate restrictions,limitations involving committed relationships

Transiting Uranus is opposite your Juno with 5 minutes of arc separating, and that can indicate changes,unexpected involving committed relationships.

actually transiting Saturn-Uranus opposition is aspecting your Juno, and this aspect can indicate nervous tension as well as separation involving committed relationships


Transiting Uranus is sextile your Mars-Ascendant with 1'23 orb applying and 1'48 orb applying respectively. That indicates the opportunity to changes,surprises involving asserting yourself that can help you in relationships with others. You have Juno trine Ascendant,and transiting Uranus aspects that. Therefore, it could indicate sudden opportunity involving committed relationships.

Transiting Uranus is exactly sextile/trine your Ascendant/Descendant axis on November 15th. On December 2nd, transiting Uranus goes direct in 22'42 Pisces and makes an applying sextile/trine to your Ascendant/Descendant axis again. On December 18th, the transit is exact.
Those are times, where changes,surprises involving you and your relationships can really be of maximum benefit.


Transiting retrograde Mercury oppose Juno is forming a t-square with your Neptune, and that can indicate possible confusion,uncertainty about the relationship. You might not be sure that it's over or not. Transiting Mercury in sextile Mercury indicates an opportunity to communicate your thoughts to others. With transiting Mercury in your 8th and your natal Mercury in 10th. It can be a time of psychological insight,regeneration that could help you with career,life objectives.


I am not sure if the relationship is really over. The breakup happened during retrograde Mercury. There could be some things that need to be cleared up. Some type of resolution could take place after Mercury goes direct and the retrograde shadow period is over

Transiting Mercury goes direct on September 30th in 21'39 Virgo, and that happens to trine your Ascendant-Mars conjunction and sextile your Descendant. That seems like a significant time for you. It's also squaring your Venus in 11th, and so it has to do with love,relationship,and friendships.

furthermore, transiting Mercury goes to 6'13 Libra on October 14th. That is where it went retrograde. Therefore, that day is when the retrograde shadow period is over.

Therefore, between September 30th and October 14th, could be a time where you gain some clarification and resolution about your relationship. With Mercury in your 8th , it's a time to gain some psychological insight and put it to good use. A time to delve deep and dig out things that help you understand yourself.


Transiting Pluto is in your 12th sextiling your Pluto in 9th with, and that's opportunity for transformation and regeneration involving things of a spiritual,philosophical nature. You could gain profound spiritual insights that transform your life. Pluto is a transneptunian object,and so it has to do with evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences. It can indicate a time of transformation of belief systems.
The transit is exact on December 11th.

Transiting Mars is trining your Sun right now,and that indicate a time to be more assertive and passionate. It's a good aspect for being motivated and getting on the ball. The taking action that lead to good things. Transiting Mars is in your 6th house and your Sun is in 9th conjunct Midheaven, and so it involves work,daily routine,health as well as expansion,philosophy,career. It's a good transit for working out too.


I also checked transiting Eris. Eris is a transneptunian that is larger than Pluto. It seems to have to do with matters involving not just discord,controversy but also things like debating,arguments as well as equality,diversity,divergence,and ideology (especially the issues like "I am right and your wrong). Because it's a transneptunian, it's a highly metaphysically oriented object. It has to do with evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences.

Transiting Eris is in conjunction to your Moon with 14 minutes separating and trining your Venus with 34 minutes applying.

This indicates the possibility of discord,controversy,debating,arguments involving women (especially the important ones like girlfriend,mother) but can be considerate of their views and even agree to disagree if you have to. There can be evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences where you learn to be more tolerant,accepting of diversity and alternative viewpoints. It can be time to gain profound spiritual insights too.
There is possibility that you could get romantically involved with a woman who is controversial,divergent in some way. It can involve diversity like a person of another race,religion,nationality,culture,etc. Your Venus in Sagittarius already seems to point in that direction too.

Transiting Eris will trine your Venus exact on November 12th.

On January 9th of next year, Eris will go direct in 20'55 Aries in applying conjunction to your Moon and applying trine to your Venus.

Transiting Eris will be exactly trine your Venus on March 5, 2010.
Transiting Eris will be exactly conjunct your Moon on May 20, 2010

Transiting Eris will go retrograde on July 9, 2010 in 22'15 Aries, and so it will be in applying conjunction to your Moon and applying trine to your Venus.

Transiting retrograde Eris will conjunct your Moon exact on Sept 16, 2010. That is interesting. That's exactly 1 year from now! hmmmm

Transiting Retrograde Eris will trine your Venus exact on December 17, 2010.

Eris goes direct on January 9, 2011 in 21'09 Aries, and so will be in applying conjunction to your Moon and applying trine to your Venus
Transiting Eris will be exactly trine your Venus on January 27, 2011.
Transiting Eris will be exactly conjunct your Moon on April 28, 2011.

Transiting Eris goes retrograde on July 19, 2011 in 22'29 Aries,and so will be in applying conjunction to your Moon and applying trine to your Venus.
Transiting retrograde Eris will be exactly conjunct your Moon on October 20, 2011.

On January 10, 2012, Eris goes direct in 21'23 Aries,and so in applying conjunction to your Moon.
Transiting Eris is exactly conjunct your Moon on April 6, 2012.

It's going to go direct later on and aspect your Moon and Venus again in 2013 and 2014.

Avoid any possible love triangles during these Eris transits. I believe that dillemma, being forced to choose between 2 or more people, "If you are not with me, you are against me",revenge after being snubbed/rejected are other keywords for Eris.

Other than that, I believe that you will have opportunities for love,romance,relationships regardless if your girlfriend takes you back or not. Heck...she might even get interested in you after you find yourself involved with another woman. That's where there can be a love triangle,dilemma,and being forced to choose.


I really wish that everything works out for you.

Keep your chin up! I am rooting for you!

if you have any questions, please ask me.


Peace

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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carl
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posted September 16, 2009 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you!
A few comments:

"Transiting retrograde Mercury oppose Juno is forming a t-square with your Neptune ...
You might not be sure that it's over or not."

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I guess I was not sure for a while, that things would end. But she knew before me, this summer, but took time to think about it. Or maybe deep, deep within, I knew at the same time, this summer, and didn't want to face up. I was overconfident in our ability to stay together perhaps (or maybe I was being normal). She just can't do the distance anymore.

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I am not sure if the relationship is really over. The breakup happened during retrograde Mercury.

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I wish, but no, it is. She is a stubborn Taurus, and she means what she says, thought about it long and hard and is sticking with it. I believe her when she said, she prepared herself A LOT for our talk (on skype.)

She is: April 30, 1985. 12:59 pm, France.

I will miss her like crazy for her thoughtfulness and caring ways especially, among other things. I would love to stay friends eventually. That is how I feel now and I don't think I will change my mind on that.

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posted September 16, 2009 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Carl,
My heart went out to you as I read this, the emotions are deep. And I feel that you are on edge. It is imperative for you to stay grounded right now, put some metal or a pebble in your pocket at all times, to help you ground. A clear peice of quartz would do nicely as well.
When it gets really bad do some visualizations of wrapping yourself in the Color brown and this color blending into the brown dirt of Gaia, as you connect to her energy and re-center.
Take 3 deep breathes in and out.
Secondly I want you to place her in front of you on a green shelf now I want you imagine her sitting on the shelf looking at you. Now visualize a golden chord of energy, going from her heart chakra to yours. Once you clearly see the chord I want you to pull it out. And throw it away.
And tell her that you forgive her and release her from her Karmic debt to you. Thank her (and only do this when you genuinely can thank her)for what you have learned as a result of this relationship. Now hug her tell her you love her and allow her to return to the shelf. Now on the green shelf place all your lower base energies, anger, sadness, hurt, pain. Place them all on that shelf. Do you see them there? Once you do release the shelf and allow it to float up the sky and be enveloped in a green light. It is returning to your higher self.
Remember your higher self has elected for you to experience this situation. Your physical pain is there because you do not understand that everything is as it should be for your growth on your lifepath. The pain is great because you are going through a period of great tranformation, that is why you elected to experience it. To transmute your Karma and grow. Now coat yourself in Violet and take 3 deep breathes and open your eyes. That will help cleanse your psychic space of her energy so you can better focus on what it is you are truly feeling.

First things first I noticed that your Composite chart has Moon opposing Neptune. Already this lends an air of dilusionment at the very intimate core of the relasthionship, it is a tough aspect to deal with. They are at O Cancer and 1 Cap respectively. This is a very powerful spot in the zodiac, showing the strength of the Karmic energy that exists between you. A love that ruled Kingdoms perhaps, but was at the heart of itself slightly disallusioned, she being the Moon would explain alot daresay. Remember Pluto is in Capricorn, and has been retrograding back and forth. This relationship has been very hard on her, and for some reason her Spirit has indeed been broken because of it.
What was so tough for her?
Was the traveling distance just that tough on her, or was it the periods of isolation that a Cap/Can energy axis energy would cause? Whatever the case thats sad. As a relationship should lift up not depress.
I cannot say that this is the reason for the breakup though, because it has definitely been a long time coming as this transit has been going on for months now.
So has her emotions regarding you and your relationship.

However I think that one of the main reasons for the break up can be seen in your composite Juno. It is at 26 Virgo.

I am not sure if got the message from Astrodienst this a.m but I think it might be for you:

"The present time is characterised by a powerful tension. Saturn and Uranus form an opposition and confront us with acute and critical questions: Should things stay the way they have always been (Saturn), or has the time come for long overdue changes (Uranus)? At times like these it is especially helpful to be centred in your own inner self in order to be able to withstand the current turbulence. Give yourself a time out."

Saturn is at 24 degrees Virgo and
Uranus is at 24 degrees Pisces.
Are you understanding now a little better the energies at play?

Your Composite Juno is in your 5th house of romantic relationships. I am sorry Carl.

The Sun is also tranisting this today and for the next two days at 24 Degrees Virgo.
Your pain should subside some as it leaves.
And you should be able to get through your day better, as the Sun is acting like a magnifying glass right now, intensifying every emotion you feel.
This Virgo/Pisces axis shows how deeply this has gone in your Energy Matrix, and that it is of a very spiritual nature, the Universe is saying it is time to grow Carl.
Look at your own Chart your Juno is at 24 Degrees Virgo, and your NN trines this at 27 Taurus, and your Ascendant is involved at 22 degrees Cap, perhaps that is why you were moved to share it with us. Do not apologize for your coherency, we heard you just fine bud.

Perhaps you did this to her during another lifeline. Whatever the case there are no coincidences.

Remember Carl life follows the same pattern that energy does, just as what goes up must come down, what goes down must come up.

My words for you are to stay grounded buddy and keep talking to us. Its good that you have this outlet.

Hugs to you!

P.S.
We have Moon conjunct Sun and Venus conjunct Moon....perhaps that is what made me respond so indeptly...

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carl
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posted September 17, 2009 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks so much for that amazingly in depth response. It helped me a lot.

I feel like I am being a pretender right now. My friend came over (randomly) and I talked to him as if nothing serious had happened the night before. Like, in my interactions with people so far, I have no clue how I have been able to hide this deep sadness and heart ache and manage to be talkative and even smile. I will go to English corner now to talk to some people. I guess it is better than being alone, but eventually, I will be alone.

I understand a lot more thanks to your posts guys, I appreciate it and it does help. There is no doubt in my mind this person changed me for life. She did and I know I will look back on our memories together with fondness and happiness someday, even IF I am married someday.

Anyways, my perception on food, culture, travel, being practical and so much more has changed on account of her. I told her how much she changed me and she said I changed her a lot too. Not to be selfish, but I hope so, after seeing how much she changed me. She changed me so that I act differently in day to day, typical situations. So when I am doing those tasks in that changed way, I will always remember her because of her impact, if that makes sense. Does it? I am sure there are aspects that point towards major change on account of each other.

I want to remain in touch with her down the road. Maybe we make better friends, or will in the future? I have no clue. I loved her area of France and would love to visit it again someday. Plus I want to be honest and pay back money I owe her. But she doesn't even seem to care about it all to much, she is soooo not selfish.

I am not looking forward to all the Chinese girls who will ask about my relationship status. They always asked me last semester and it was easy because I just said "taken and happy". They will continue to ask. I won't say anything, but it will sting each time a girl inquires. It seems like they like me for superficial reasons.

She taught me many of the things I want in a girl. I loved her 100% non selfish ways, creative expressions of love and overall tenderness. I really loved the cute things she did to express love.

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posted September 17, 2009 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JustAmanda     Edit/Delete Message
aww...I'm sorry Carl...to quote one of my favorite musicians, John Taylor, before you know it, you'll be through it..trust the process...

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posted September 17, 2009 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geemeeni     Edit/Delete Message
So so sorry for your heartache. Many of us know how you feel.

To get me through tough times, I sometimes put myself in the future, in hindsight mode (using the feeling of past experience to put me there as vividly as possible), to where I KNOW that one day I will look back on the experience with less ache, more wisdom, and clear understanding of why things turned out the way they did. I remind myself of the few experiences where I truly believed I wouldn't recover normally, but instead turned out much wiser and thankful and accepting of life's ways.

This WILL make you a better person if you allow it, and it is obvious that you will. Remember that if you loved someone this deeply once, you have the capacity for it again. Good luck to you

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posted September 17, 2009 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message
The ruler of your chart, Saturn, is presently challenged by transiting Jupiter square, so what you thought was solid and steady is falling apart. It came right after Transiting Saturn in Virgo squared your Venus in Sagg, indicating reversal in love affair.

I know this is major for you. <<<<HUGS>>>

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posted September 17, 2009 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
woah, we have double whammy venus conjunct neptune! maybe that is why i am really feeling for you. i am experiencing some strange heartache and a shaking up of things in my significant relationship right now too, on a similar level. sounds like this girl opened you up in some wonderful ways, and i'm sorry for the pain you are feeling right now. it WILL get better, not to sound trite.

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posted September 17, 2009 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys, I ended up staying at English corner for more than five hours and just kept talking. I have no clue how that time flied like that, but it helped a lot. Of course, no matter how you keep yourself busy, there is always night, where you are required to be alone with your thoughts suddenly.

Would it be odd to continue learning French even though my major reason is gone? I still want to learn a lot, and even practiced yesterday and will tonight. I put a lot of effort into learning, with classes and all, and at least want to maintain the level I am at now and retain what I have now. I don't want it to slow the healing, learning the language. Obviously as I practice there will be one thing I always think about, my ex. Maybe I can separate the two. I have had a recent desire to finally master some other language. I don't know if it signifies in my chart how successful I could be with learning a language, but I feel that drive to learn more French, despite the breakup. Will this desire to learn the language, even as I speak, slow down the healing process or make things harder you think? I think I can do it!

Thanks for all the help. It is funny, it seems the planets really aligned to tell me "no more" in quite a big way. Funny, because when I first met her, everything felt so surreal and magical and the planets seemed to align to tell me "100% YES!" I remember one night where, literally, the whole city seemed to stop for us as we walked through it, granted it was past midnight. It was sooo silent (and in May, so warm) as the city became our playground. I don't remember a single person or car passing by. Since that night, I have walked through the city at all hours of the night many many times and there is always hustle and bustle no matter what. I think part of the surreal feeling was the way the moon and city lights shone on the city in just the right way, shinning so serenely and peacefully. Anyways, we went to the pier and there were boats that were empty so we sat in them for a while and goofed off. I still can't believe the pier was totally empty, and was the only way this special mood could have been set. Than we went to the park, swinging on the swings and than onto a playscape to look at the stars until 5 in the morning. It was soooo surreal, my god I get crazy feelings in the heart just thinking of those moments now. Someone decided that, that city should be totally empty for us that night. We went back home around 5:30 am, took a photo of us with the clock and some of the souvenirs we picked up from the trip (including a lamented paper flower that says "I am growing"). I told her I had strong feelings for her at this point and she slowly, gently kissed me.

Anyways, I will try to someday master the language! I am really sad because I think she will slowly lose her English, which she mastered so well, with no one to practice with. I feel sad for her in that respect.

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posted September 17, 2009 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
i just want to say that...if its meant to be,it will.
if it´s not,then it means that this was necessary for you to encounter a true love for you,that will bring you happiness,trust and faith in relatisonhips.

Dont lose who you are,keep being the best you can and you will meet someone trully great for you.

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posted September 17, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Carl, will you two be living in the same place sometime in the future?

I know this might be a rotten thing to say right now, but I get the feeling that this one just isn't over. It's not that your Taurus doesn't want a relationship with YOU, it's that she doesn't want a long-distance relationship with anyone. (Which is totally understandable, especially for a Taurus. They need to curl up next to their man every night after a good dinner.)

I think the door might not be closed on a romantic partnership between the two of you. At the very least, it seems like you'll get your wish to remain friends.

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posted September 17, 2009 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Lucia,

That's what I was thinking.

heck...I even wanted to ask if Carl asked his girlfriend about the possibility of one of them relocating so they can be together.

I also mentioned the possibility of relocation in the transit reading.


I don't think any long distance relationship can last as a lifelong relationship. I think somebody has to relocate to be with the other person.

if not, it just seems too unrealistic. There can be a lot of disillusionment. A breakup seems inevitable.

I just think that there are some unresolved matters which I feel that the breakup during both retrograde Mercury and retrograde Jupiter seem to indicate.


Raymond

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posted September 17, 2009 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, she could not deal with the LDR. Or the pain that separation brought after one of us came to visit, which was often (five times each). she wanted a life! Whatever that means, I guess she meant a life in which she can focus on her studies without being sad that her boy was so far away. I wanted to be close to and yearned for it, but was maybe more okay with distance than her. I could cope with it better perhaps.

Anyways, if she says her mind is set and can't be changed, what matters could be unresolved? She said she loved me deeply for a long time, but over the summer, those feelings waned and are no longer within her, at least that is what she said, yesterday night.

I totally would have relocated. It is just difficult to find that opportunity.

I am an ultra free thinker and I think sometimes, it was a little to heavy for her to hear some of the things I had to say about politics, education (especially since she is in that field), etc. Because of my different mind, it was hard for her to picture me living in France, for whatever reason, despite a successful one year stint living together in America. I think she can be nit picky.

But I LOVE the French culture, the food and so much more. Great country and I would love to learn the language. I BELIEVE I could have adapted and lived.

I wonder, what do you think is unresolved? I have this feeling but can't put my finger on what is unresolved, and wonder if she feels the same about the "unresolved" issues. I have heard incredible stories of other taurus/scorpio couples breaking up then getting back together. I WILL NOT hold my breath, but would welcome her back into my life even as just a friend. I already know I HATE whoever the next boy is...he damn well better treat her very gosh damn good because she is a sweet heart ... even though I have no control..I wish the best for her. She did date a prick in the past but she views me as her first "real" boyfriend. The few times I acted up she was on top of it, so I think she learned from the prick at least.

She is a stubborn taurus in the end, even if she doesn't quite own up to it 100%. I NEVER owned up to my stubbornness 100% either. It was a running joke amongst my french cancer friend to say "I know which one of you is more stubborn but I will not say" in a knowing, teasing way. I think she knew too, and it will always be a mystery. Maybe it was a trick question, we are equal, to a large extent!

Well, I have so much I want to email her but don't know how to say it, and I continue to stop myself, for now. So many questions, so much...so much...

I love her for how she changed my perception on life, cultures, food....

I still don't know how I will tell my family. It will be real sad for them too. Really. They loved her. My Pisces mom once said "I Could not have hand picked a better girl for you" and my cap sister got along with my ex so well. and my gf was so into my family matters and when my older sister was having a baby, probably more so than me. and of course, I will miss her family a lot too. Her mom wanted to learn/improve her English just because of me. And she did an amazing job!

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I think this might be one of those situations where it makes sense to plan to live in the same place as her sometime in the (near) future--not as a couple, but with your own, independent life. You can explore the culture, get fluent in French...I mean, if she's anywhere in France, you can be in Paris for a while, teaching English or Chinese (if you have Chinese), in close commuting distance. It never hurt any intellectual or independent thinker to live in Paris, IMO.

If you are there, and she wants you to leave her alone, you can respect that, of course. There are plenty of other ways that move could enrich your life, and of course many women you could have great, unique connections with...BUT being able to see each other regularly without the wrenching difficulty of every visit being followed by a long separation will allow the relationship to deepen and change. And I think she might be open to that if you were THERE and around, whatever she says now.

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posted September 17, 2009 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
Carl,

I am REALLY sorry about what happened. There is nothing worse than a broken heart. I know that you are in a lot of pain, but I promise you that you will find happiness again. *Hugs*

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Yah, I mean, I love France. I would totally live in that country. Maybe not Paris (ironically she is less than two hour train ride from it studying), but it was such a great country and I feel blessed every day that I was able to go as much as I did as many time as I did.

Like I said, regardless, I would still want to learn the language and would live there just for the culture and food. I developed a great interest for the country along with the developing emotions for this girl.

It is just difficult for an American to live in the EU. As far as English, they prefer folks from England/Ireland/rest of EU. Plus, I need to get that expensive, and at this point, elusive CELTA certificate to teach anywhere in Europe.

Thanks for the understanding Lucia and Astra. For now I am in China and just talking to people like crazy, who are happy to see me, which makes me feel better. Though at the same time, there is no one to talk to who can totally understand me due to heavy culture barriers and language barriers. So what I guess I mean is, thanks guys for the understanding, you have provided me with a valuable outlet in a time where I otherwise would not have one, due to aforementioned barriers.

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posted September 18, 2009 03:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I talked about the unresolved issues with transiting retrograde Mercury in your 8th house and transiting retrograde Jupiter in your 1st house

The first transit has to do with 8th house matters like sex,intimacy,power,psychological stuff as well as shared resources in general. Other people's money,debt is also 8th house stuff. With Mercury in 8th, it does seem to fit with both psychological and financial/business matters.

The second transit has to do with 1st house matters which is mainly the persona,personality,self, being self sufficient,independent. With Jupiter in 1st, it's mainly about personal expansion and making judgments that affect you personally. a time to be free.

I will give you interpretation for
both Mercury in 8th and Jupiter in 1st

from the book, PLANETS IN TRANSIT by Robert Hand


Mercury in 8th house:
At this time, it is good to look inward upon deep psychological truths within yourself. In many ways, your rational intellect is closer now to the areas of your being that are usually hidden even from yourself. You can use this time to get more in touch with these hidden aspects.

This transit often signifies conversations and intellectual encounters that have a profound effect upon your mind, causing you to go deep within yourself and make changes in your point of view or ways of thinking. Or you may have this effect on someone else. In some cases, you and another person may be amazed that you have a tremendous hold over each other's mind and can affect each other greatly. Even though all your communication is verbal, another kind of energy seems to be operating that is harder to fathom, that goes down to the deepest roots of your being.

This transit is conducive to very deep thinking,sometimes including thoughts about your own and your loved one's mortality. Reflecting upon these matters from time to time in moderation can help to keep your life in perspective, but don't get too carried away by thoughts of death, because this can draw you away from here and now.

On a mundane level, this transit can coincide with discussions and negotiations concerning finances or property, particularly those that you hold jointly with someone else. Unless you have serious afflictions to planets in this house or the transiting Mercury is itself afflicted, this should be a very favorable time for such negotiations.

Jupiter in 1st house:
This transit is the beginning of a new cycle of growth in your life. While Jupiter is in this house, you should try to discover what you really are as an individual. You should get to know yourself and what you can really accomplish, because under this influence you feel more secure about yourself and the impression that you make upon others. You feel less need to withdraw from people or hide your talents. But you should not react to this transit by exaggerating your own importance either. Look at the truth of who you are; that should be entirely adequate.

This is also a time for learning and gaining new experience. All this is part of your present growth, which affects not only yourself, but also the way you deal with the world as a whole. At this time, it is very important to outgrow childish attitudes or prejudices that may have hung over from your childhood, parochial concerns that are no adequate to understanding the world that you face now.

Persons and resources are liekly to be drawn to you now, and you should take constructive advantage of them. In other words, anyone whom you come involved with at this time should benefit from the association as much as you do. Only through mutual help will you really achieve growth.

The spiritual dimension of your life should be greater now. The concrete and tangible aspects of the world are not enough; you have to know the deeper dimensions of life as well; otherwise the rest becomes meaningless.

This year should be quite fortunate for you in personal terms. Your relationships and encounters with others should work to your advantage consistently, assuming that some more powerful influence isn't upsetting this one. Your increased self-confidence and poise should serve you well and enable you to increase the scope of your activities. But try not to be overbearing. Even if you score significant successes, don't delude yourself into thinking that you have all the answers. You are still learning under this transit.


please keep in mind that these transits could be more about introspection,self-evaluation,going over things, and the unresolved.

when transiting Mercury and Jupiter go direct and are out of their retrograde shadow period, there could be more positive things in connection to those planet in house transits.


I wish you all the best

peace

Raymond


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posted September 18, 2009 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I checked your secondary progressions
as of today


Your Secondary progressed Venus is in 21'02 Capricorn square Natal Moon in 21'58 Aries, and that indicates the progression of love,relationships,value systems are in conflict with your emotional/domestic matters as well as issues with women

Transiting Retrograde Eris in 21'43
in separating conjunction to your Natal Moon and in applying square to your Secondary progressed Venus

this indicates possible discord,controversy,diversity involved in regards to your emotional/domestic matters as well as issues with women but also the progression of love,relationships,and value systems. There is need to take people's views into consideration but people should takes your into consideration too. There can be issues of "I am right,and you're wrong" when it comes to your views and others. This emphasizes things that I talked about in your transits with transiting Eris conjuncting your Moon and trining your Venus. In this case, transiting Eris is triggering the secondary progression picture of your secondary progressed Venus square Natal Moon.

Transiting Retrograde Sedna in 21'54 Taurus trine your Secondary progressed could indicate deep spirituality,sacrifice,compassion in harmony with the progression of love,relationships,value systems


Your Moon is progressed in 22'59 Pisces, and that indicate being more sensitive,idealistic on the emotionally at this time. It can indicate a time of being compassionate,spiritual,self-sacrificing,inspirational.
Transiting retrograde Uranus in 24'36 Pisces is conjuncting that. It can indicate sudden changes in the progression of your emotional world. The secondary Moon is sextiling your Mars-Ascendant and trining your Descendant,and that indicates the opportunity to be assertive. I would say it can be an indicator for expressing your feelings to others.
The secondary progressed Moon is in semisquaring your Sedna with 3 minutes of arc applying, and this could indicate being very sensitive at this time. It could also indicate the potential to feel victimized,abused,and/or betrayed in some way. If you can avoid that, you can use this secondary progression to be deeply compassionate,spiritual.
The secondary progressed Moon will be heading towards your Juno in 24'44 Virgo soon, and that indicates that the progression of your emotional world involves your committed relationships.


Your Mercury is progressed in 29'56 Sagittarius conjuncting your Neptune in 29'32 Sagittarius. This could indicate the mind is more dreamy,idealistic right now. Communications can be hard to pin down, and there could be misunderstandings and confusion with others.

Your Mars is progressed in 11'55 Aquarius and sextiles your Uranus in 12'03 Sagittarius. This seems like the opportunity to take sudden,unpredictable actions. It's a time for being independent and can be a revolutionary of sorts. It's good for activism.


I also couldn't help noticing that your Secondary progressed Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis is in 12'27 Sagittarius/Gemini in conjunct/opposition to your natal Uranus in 12'03 Sagittarius. This could indicate the unexpected,changes,sudden things involving career,aim of life as well as domestic environment. This configuration is common for relocation.


Raymond

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