posted September 21, 2009 09:42 PM         

If I had the Asteroid Goddesses Report program, I'd give her interpretations of the Ceres sign,house,and aspects from that report. They list potential potential manifestations for those aspects. They are not deterministic interpretations. I used to have that report program,and so I am familiar with the interpretations.

I just don't believe that a Pisces planet necessarily means that you're caring.
Pisces planets have numerous possible manifestations.

When I look at a chart, I just don't say "Oh...you have Moon in Pisces.....that shows that you're caring". That's like saying "Of course, you are into health....look at that Mercury in Virgo" That's not something that I would do. I would take everything as a whole into consideration. Even then,I'd say the free will is the ultimate factor.
That is something that I did in the thread. I did it at the end of the post when I went over the Ceres aspects. That's something that I always do. I don't believe that positive nor negative behavior can be seen from looking at just one placement,many placements,nor the whole chart. I believe that those things can't be seen in the chart. I believe that's all up to the person to have positive or negative behavior. It's something that they can do.

The serial killers had the potential to be caring,compassionate,and loving too, but they chose to be the opposite.

I used to believe that Moon in Pisces indicated a loving,caring,and compassionate type when I was first learning Astrology. Then, I changed my belief when I learned about serial killers,OJ Simpson,and people known for negative things also had that same placement. I also thought Moon in Pisces indicate a person that's into New Age/New Thought,and metaphysical. Then after knowing a Pisces Moon gal that was Lutheran and thought those things led to going to Hell,I realized that not all Pisces Moons believe in that stuff. I realized that things weren't so simple. I felt that Moon in Pisces could be used negatively and not just positively plus that there were other factors to consider. Most of all, I felt that free will was the ultimate factor.
I use to half jokingly tell people that I my charts shows serial killer potential in my chart, but I chose to use my energies in positive ways.

any ways...that's all I have to say on that

I will agree to disagree.

I strongly recommend the book, Asteroid Goddesses by Demetra George that explains Ceres in much depth. The Asteroid Goddess Report is a report that goes in much depth and detail about Ceres' role, it's sign placement,house placement,and aspects. They don't differentiate the angle of the aspect. They interpret the aspects as a whole,and give both possible positive and negative interpretations for the Ceres aspects.

I really don't put much emphasis on tropical zodiac sign placements too. Heck..I think that constellation (not the Sidereal Zodiac) placement can give more detail in how that placement works.

I'd consider that her Moon is in constellation of Aquarius, and that the star themes of Aquarius also is factor with her the tropical Pisces Moon stuff. That goes the same for me with my tropical Pisces Moon in the Aquarius constellation.

like for me, My Sun is in tropical Scorpio,but it is the constellation of Virgo. To me, that can factor how I am different in my self expression from people with Sun in Scorpio that are born in November,and so they have their Sun in the constellation of Libra. My Sun has a different underlying star theme from them, and therefore my Sun expresses differently from their tropical Solar Scorpio placement.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 21, 2009 10:10 PM         

I don't even know why I bother explaining this on a board devoted to Astrology, the study of the symbolism of the stars...

posted September 22, 2009 12:19 AM         

I'd just like to say that you both have very valid points and I appreciate both of your takes on the issue.

Glaucus, I completely understand your motives in trying to help me better understand the profound influence Ceres apparently has on my chart. The information was very interesting as well as enlightening. I'd just like to give my thanks and appreciation for your research on the subject... It was nice to hear such a fresh perspective...

posted September 22, 2009 06:03 PM         

I just have one more question for you... so we have determined pretty precisely why I am an extremely sensitive person EMOTIONALLY... but what about being a PHYSICALLY fragile and delicate person? (Apart from genetics of course.) Are there any aspects in a chart that would indicate somebody who's body is very easily disturbed and thrown off balance by outside influences?? Even something as seemingly minor as a change in weather?

I have always been very vulnerable to my environment. Any change in atmosphere, in stress level, in diet, in WEATHER, in excercise, even in the most MINOR form... my body responds immediately. Don't even get me started on my hormones! I don't know any other woman that has as many emotional (physically linked) issues! Gah!!

I do not know anyone who has this in the extreme that I do. It's really annoying. There's ALWAYS something wrong with me!! It's like I do what I can to maintain a healthy lifestyle and it really doesn't matter what I do... there always seems to be SOMETHING!! I'm only 19 right now but I've had this my entire life: every time the pressure in the atmosphere drops... my body ACHES... every joint twists and turns and I get tired and I get horrible headaches!! That's just one example that I can think of off the top of my head... Don't mean to rant but I'm very frustrated!! I had to leave work early today because I almost collapsed at the podium for no APPARENT REASON!! I didn't do anything differently today... I got plenty of sleep... and I just felt extremely noxious and like I was going to pass out all day... People say that it's as if I have the body of a 70 yr old woman... not good

posted September 23, 2009 02:18 PM         

However, the cusp of your ascendant is at 14 degree of Virgo, and it is VERY aspected by as much as 10 planets/asteroids (moon, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, True Node, Chiron, Ceres, Juno etc), but to answer your question, you have moon in Pisces (ruled by Neptune) squaring that cusp, and you also have natal Neptune trining that same cusp, that's a double neptunian contact whammy. Neptunian qualities tend to dissolves boundaries and tend to open one to others people and the outside world and also other planes of consciousness. You tend to be affected by everything around you.

posted September 24, 2009 05:47 PM         

I definitely never analyzed it that way before and no one has pointed those aspects out to me!! So for that, I am very grateful.

"but to answer your question, you have moon in Pisces (ruled by Neptune) squaring that cusp, and you also have natal Neptune trining that same cusp, that's a double neptunian contact whammy."

Did you mean that my Pisces Moon sextiles my AC? And in that case how does that change things?

All in all, your insight is very enlightening and gives me a better understanding of why and who and what I am physically according to my chart! It's good to be aware of such things. As an astrologer, have you ever met/known anyone with similar physical dispositions? What did their chart(s) look like?

posted September 25, 2009 02:41 PM         

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Oh, it's ok lol I wrote SEXTILE... lol how could I have thought that virgo SEXTILES pisces?? lol yeah it was a long day for sure...

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posted September 25, 2009 05:02 PM         

The second thing I thought was maybe what happened to me could happen to you, if you are willing to try this - PLEASE let me know if it worked: Before going to sleep, make a plea from your heart that you want to know where Charlie is and if he is ok. I've done this to one of my tiger barb that died and I swear to goodness - that night, in my sleep, I was in a absolutely gorgeous park, a huge pond was there, my deceased great grandmother was on a bench talking to another woman and then I saw my fish in the pond! He was swimming around, happy and everything. I imagined I was in the pond and he (Robert) came up to my face and nuzzled my nose with his which is something I use to *imagine* doing when he was alive like the whole the spoon does not bend kind of way. I never felt so much peace in my life.

The third thing I noticed is your chart. With animals, for some reason I go to virgo. Virgo is your ascendant, it's ruler mercury is in your 9th house. It doesn't surprise me that you rescued Charlie and learned how to repair his wing (emphasis on learned). Then I noticed that your 6th house cusp is in Aquarius so then I looked for Uranus which is in the house of home and environment conjunct Neptune - add to that, surprise surprise, Uranus makes contact with your mercury so I'm sure Charlie understood what you were trying to do for him and thanks you for it. I wouldn't be surprised if Charlie isn't the last animal you take into your home to help. You did a REALLY good thing etherealenlightenment - please believe it.

posted September 26, 2009 06:25 PM         

This was so interesting... and I will definitely try it out tonight and let you know tomorrow! The funny thing is, I remember the night that he died, he DID come to me in a dream... I didn't really know what it meant and I don't really remember the dream itself (how illusive dreams can be!) but I DO remember that he was in it... and then the next morning I was wondering about that... and I asked my bf (not quite the prime expert on butterflies lol) if Charlie was doing ok, and he was like "Yeah, he's doing really well... he's really docile... I think he's still sleeping though..." lol... So to my false hope, I come downstairs and discover that the "docile, SLEEPING" butterfly was actually a corpse!! I was so upset and depressed the whole day... I kept having this notion that maybe I DID something and killed him somehow... It took me a few days to get over it.... which unfortunately, except for my bf, no one really understood.