posted September 22, 2009 05:34 AM         

The university examples are the most obvious. How the he*l did I get a "fail" when people who I let cheat of me get C's ? Just this happened 3 times from January. All 3 times with 4 different people actually.

And that's just the most obvious example....

Part of me wants to become a a b*tch and never help anyone again... But that's just not in my nature... I take pride in "sticking it to the system" in helping my friends and in sharing their luck too and not just misery.

Someone , please shed some light

posted September 22, 2009 07:06 AM         

"Why is it that everytime I help someone I get stuck with "the bill"? No not true if you get stuck with the bill, it has nothing to do with helping someone. It has to do with your own behaviors.

"Sticking it to the system" Are they victimizing you also? Are are you referring to helping people to cheat is your way of sticking it to the system. I hope note because you really are sticking it to yourself Karmically if that's your intention. You are preventing others from truly knowing if the have done well or not by helping them to cheat. My guess is all this stuff is happening for karmic lessons. You viewpoints seem a bit odd and not in alignment with spiritual principles.

Could you please shed more light on this view? Perhaps you mentioned this in other posts.

posted September 22, 2009 07:39 AM         

And by sticking it to the system I mean: 90 percent of all requirements we have are complete un-applicable bs written between late 1800 and 1936. So yeah I don't mind if my friends don't always slave over those scriptures. None should have to. The system is bad so I don't really think anyone should be punished for finding loop holes

I don't think that less luck for my friends equals more luck for me. I want my friends not to have to suffer for success/luck. Don't all of you want that for your friends?

I just think I'm entitled to the credit proportional to my knowledge. And there's about a 1500 euros hanging on the latest case. Money that I don't have.

posted September 22, 2009 08:58 AM         

i usually like to pay for myself that way i feel safe and secure that i wont get screwed over. and that way i dont feel like i own anyone anything especially money.

the same rules apply when taking tests. never let anyone cheat off of you. that wya you will feel secure and safe.

posted September 22, 2009 09:40 AM         

Perhaps these people are checking their answers against yours and keep theirs in the end. I have done that too, and sometimes decide mine are better. Cheaters are clever, if they are clever enough to trick a sucker into helping them cheat, they are clever enough to trick a few more suckers. Then they keep the best response or most frequent, and yours were not frequent amongst all the people they had helping them. You never know, and don't expect the cheaters to tell you the truth. They are using you regardless of your beliefs that you are "going against the system."

Otherwise, the same answers yielding two different results is impossible. I highly doubt they are keeping your answers in the end.

Regardless, why should other lazy people benefit from your "hard work," hypothetically speaking? Plus, maybe you aren't working hard, and being sloppy, hence the F...

posted September 22, 2009 01:38 PM         

I get it evander,
you're trying to be a friend, you're trying to help them but you're screwing yourself.
I agree with astra on this one
we're all responsible for ourselves, our own actions. We can't answer for someone else, therefore we shouldn't help them cheat.

I'm sure you didn't see it that way, I wouldn't either but in the grand scheme of things that's what it equals out to.

posted September 22, 2009 04:19 PM         

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I don't think that less luck for my friends equals more luck for me. I want my friends not to have to suffer for success/luck. Don't all of you want that for your friends?

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Of course I want my friends to do well. But, I noticed EVERY single time I let them copy something off of me, they end up doing much better than me. I'm not talking about one or two points more; it's more like a few letter grades. I don't have a problem with my friends doing better than me if their grade is a result of their own efforts, but I do find it odd that on a multiple choice test, they somehow score much higher than me even though we have identical answers.

I'm not saying less luck for your friends means more luck for you. I'm saying that helping your friends cheat means LESS luck for you and more for them.

posted September 22, 2009 04:45 PM         

If the people can't do the work, and then they go into the workforce, they can be incompetent. That hurts the employer and co-workers.

Say if a person cheated all the way to Medical School, and he got a job as doctor. He could wrongly diagnose somebody. That could lead to much harm to the patient.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 22, 2009 06:21 PM         

someone already said maybe your friends are not strictly copying your answers and that is why they are doing better than you.

or maybe your teacher (not the universe)noticed and is penalizing you for helping cheaters?

would you wipe these same friends' arses just cos they asked you to? you would probably suffer for that too!

posted September 22, 2009 06:49 PM         

So when you get to a work place situation and you find out someone is making more money than you at the same job, What loophole will you find then? An extra coffee break, skip out early,steal office supplies... think about it. Will you feel entitled then? You're justifying and rationalizing something you know is clearly wrong. Sure maybe you don't really need to know the information on the test, but the real test is whether you put your best effort forward, whether you approach your studies with integrity, are you willing to put in the effort to see if it pays off?

This lesson will come back over and over guaranteed. In relationships, work, money, etc.

posted September 22, 2009 06:55 PM         

As someone with some personal experience of being on the other end of your situation, I would agree with Carl on this one. Although the reply was a bit blunt, he's right. Your friends probably cheat off of more than one person. Also, like he said, the same answers cannot yield different scores on exams. If you have the same answers, you'll get the same scores... I think that's logical don't you? The exception would be if you have tests that require long written answers, such as essay questions and in that case, they could read your answer in full, and decide that they want to reword it to make it sound a bit better or add what the person next to them has written down in addition. But like Carl mentioned, usually, the answers will be compared to 2 or 3 other sources in determining how accurate YOUR answer really is. If the 2 or 3 other sources have the same answers but different from yours... the cheater will probably choose the answer that is most popular. How do I know? I've done this. Once again, not something I'm proud of, but I'd like you to know the truth of what is probably happening in your current situation.

posted September 23, 2009 03:09 AM         

My life is pretty miserable, therefor I understand the desperation that stands behind looking at somebody else's test.

Why is it hard for all of you people to be at least a little supportive about the bad luck I have? Most of you had no trouble supporting a 17 year old in an affair with a 40 year old married dude few months ago.... so what am I doing that's more wrong??

And how about some astrology instead of cheating propaganda I could've gotten lectured about while watching crappy CW dramas...

I'm sorry, but I seriously don't get it.

thanks go to the few that haven't burned me at the stake.

Since January every circumstance that could torture me tortured me. What is that? Just Saturn square MErcury?

I don't need to be a professional to see that this has been nothing and that my troubles have yet to begin with Saturn in Libra but at least I need to push through this now. Whatever it is.

posted September 23, 2009 04:50 AM         

Just examine all the times you have helped and paid the bill. You would have symbolically ordered the food in your name whereas you should have helped them earn to pay their food bill.

posted September 24, 2009 01:45 PM         

Winners never quit, quitters never win.

posted September 24, 2009 02:21 PM         

i had a look at your chart quickly but can't help much regarding astrology, or not now at least since im on my phone.

but i know what you mean, the feeling of wanting to help and somehow being left feeling like an idiot; not appreciated;

some here say that we do that for recognition, i don't accept that; they might themselves, but i know i don't do it with that in mind; no need to prove it or argue with anyone about that;

may be the universe is kindly telling me not to excpect anything but not discouraging me to keep helping other; (before anyone tells me letting someone cheat ain't helping, please go up again to read evander first post; she just gives 1 example here. stop the sheep attitude plz)

you know, the universe doesn't want us to be disillusioned, and some of us, on our journey, or because of some personal experience, live and feel a certain way. without looking for recognition, i do personaly add value to the help i give according to people's reaction; or i used to do it; not anymore; now i give and i know that some other don't know how to demonstrate gratitude, i try not to blame them, but i don't let it discourage me, like lalalinda said, live and learn

posted September 24, 2009 02:47 PM         

If whole sign houses are used, Neptune is in 10th, and that can indicate the possibility of idalism,inspiration in your career,reputation,social status with it squaring Mars in 1st, your personal actions are in conflict with that.
That could indicate the possibility of illusion,deception involving your actions in regards to your reputation.

Helping others cheat could be a part of the self deceptiion that you think that you are helping.

You also have to avoid playing the victim/martyr role.

in whole sign houses, you have North Lunar Node in Pisces in 12th house which indicates that you could be here to be spiritual, of service and help others compassionately and selflessly, but it can be also the potential for secrecy and to be deceptive and illusive. It also fits with the potential to be victim/martyr.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted September 24, 2009 03:29 PM         

i know exactly what you are saying.

when you are generous and then people take advantage of it. seriously, it does happen to me a lot.

dep taurus summed it up pretty well.

posted September 24, 2009 07:11 PM         

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You're not helping a person when you help him/her cheat. You're only hurting that person as well as the teacher who teaches the course as well as other students like when it comes to comparing student's grades when it comes to getting awards or special privileges based on grade point average.

If the people can't do the work, and then they go into the workforce, they can be incompetent. That hurts the employer and co-workers...Glaucus

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