posted October 02, 2009 03:42 PM         

What were the aspects from the first meeting/transit chart making to your Natal chart.

posted October 02, 2009 03:44 PM         

but i can tell you what happened with my bf when he had one:

before he met her,he was out of home,living in a room,with no attention to him from his familly whatsoever.he was completely alone,feeling angry and frustrated with life.his family didnt understood his needs and he was having a lot of power struggles there,mixtured with manipulation and profound self esteem problems.

internally he was feeling unloved,unwanted and unworthy of love.so he attracted that girl,his 1st love.as he was profoundly in need,he gave her the power over him too.he attracted that plutonian relationship,by feeling vulnerable,and so he was there once again trapped into another relationship like the one he got out from:deep profound energies of manipulation,lies,pshicological abuse,emotional obssessiveness,power struggles,,,you name it.

almost 4 years with that made him a complete wreckness:he felt into a deep depression when he concluded the real relationship wanst of a love,instead he was losing himself and losing his oportunities to be happy in life. it took a great deal of courage to him to get out,as she tried to do the victim character again and again,but he did it.

it costed him his self-esteem,his loss of identity for awhile...but if he didnt had made that choice,he wouldnt be where he is today.

and surely not the wonderful person he is today.

you will manage it too.

posted October 03, 2009 06:32 AM         

they had:

her pluto falling into his 4th ( he is a cancer asc so imagine this..)

her pluto square his asc.
her Nessus/IC cj his AC/Nessus-she inflicted on him deep profound emotional abuse and phsicological too
Her Lilith was cj his Juno

their composite was really thought: C.Pluto in the 5Th.square Moon and Venus and cj saturn.

Lilith in the 7th - profound feminine energies awakening,but black ones,in the relationship sector.

Nessus was cj Venus-so again emotional abuse in love.

Uranus was on the DSC-adding instability even more. ( in the Davidson Kiron was on the DSC and Uranus on the ASC).

So it was a deep plutonian relationship cause pluto was in hard aspect with personal planets in the relationship,but nessus/lilith/kiron were also badly aspected.

He was the one feeling manipulated and trapped cause she also had her mars/Saturn cj his IC - this was hugely traumatizing for him too.

If you look at DRACOS you can really see why two people meet each other and why they keep together even if the relationship makes a lot of suffering:

- they had their asc/dsc and ic/mx axis conjunt;usually it is a glue aspect.

-again her saturn/mars cj his IC but this time Pluto is also hitting his deepest core.

So,at the same time saturn is a glue,pluto is obssessive and strong.it was giving her the power over his deepest Self.

posted October 03, 2009 09:18 AM         

How PLUTONIAN was that relationship really? See it as another case study. ;-)

Synastry

HIS Pluto falling in my 9th
- cj. my MC/IC-axis
- cj. my Vesta
- cj. my Venus/Pluto-Midpoint
- sextile my Proserpina
- sextile my Melancholia
- square my Libido
- square my Actor
- opp my Pallas
- opp my Hera

Natally, he has a close Pluto-Saturn-opposition – so his damned Saturn touched the same points in my chart as his Pluto does - only in the reverse direction
HIS Saturn falling in my 3rd
- cj. my Pallas
- cj. my Hera
- trine my Proserpina
- trine my Melancholia
- square my Libido
- square my Actor
- opp my MC/IC-axis
- opp my Vesta
- opp my Venus/Pluto-Midpoint

HIS Chiron falling in my 3rd
- cj. my MC/IC-axis
- sextile my Saturn
- sextile my Venusia
- sextile my Pt. of Romance
- sextile my Medea
- trine my Sun
- square my Moon

HIS BM Lilith falling in my 3rd
- cj. his NAME-asteroid in my chart
- cj. my Humptydumpty
- cj. my Pt. of Illness/Accidents
- cj. my Pt. of Catastrophe
- sextile my Phoinix
- sextile my Change
- trine my Uranus
- square my Juno
- square my Ceres
- square my Liebe (German for “love”)
- square my Pt. of Happiness
- opp my Mercury

HIS Nessus falling in my 7th
- cj. my Karma
- cj. my Chronos
- sextile my Mercury
- sextile my Chiron
- sextile my Don Quixote
- trine my Uranus
- trine my Sun/Moon-Mp
- trine his NAME-asteroid in my chart
- trine my Humptydumpty
- trine my Pt. of Illness/Accidents
- trine my Catastrophe
- square my Nodes
- square my Venus
- opp my Phoinix
- opp my Change

>>> Strong links to my MC/IC-axis – also to Karma, Saturn, Chronos – to my Mercury & Uranus – to Catastrophe, Humptydumtpy, Illness/Accidents – and finally: Phoinix & Change >>> So HE had a strong INFLUENCE on me, meeting him should lead to a new perspective on my very core personality at the end . and this process was MEANT to be hurtful, obviously…. maybe: some kind of “karmic due” I just had to pay…???

MY Pluto falling in his 1st
- cj. his Venus
- cj. his Cupido
- sextile my NAME-asteroid in his chart
- sextile his Pt. of Desire
- trine his Veritas
- square his Jupiter
- square his Vesta
- square his Hera
- opp his Chiron
- opp his Eros

MY Saturn falling in his 9th
- sextile his Chiron
- sextile his Eros
- sextile his Venusia
- sextile his Tantalus
- trine/sextile his ASC/DSC-axis
- square his Sun
- square his Mercury
- opp his Neptune
- opp his Aphrodite

MY Chiron falling in his 7th
- sextile his N. Node
- sextile his Psyche
- sextile his Juno
- sextile his Pallas
- trine his Lovejoy
- trine his Pt. of Treachery
- square his Valentine
- square his own NAME-asteroid in his chart
- opp his “Liebe” (German for “love”)
- opp his Harmonia
- opp his Interkosmos
- opp his Pt. of Catastrophe

MY BM Lilith falling in his 12th
- cj. his Sun
- cj. his Mercury
- sextile his Jupiter
- sextile his Vesta
- sextile his Circe
- trine his Hera
- square his Veritas
- square his Aphrodite
- square my NAME-asteroid in his chart
- opp his Karma

MY Nessus falling in his 10th
- cj. his MC/IC-axis
- cj. his Anteros
- cj. his Pt. of Romance
- sextile his Mercury
- sextile his Actor
- trine his Damocles
- square his ASC/DSC-axis
- square his Pluto
- square his Saturn
- square his Humptydumpty
- square his Fanatica

>>> From that, it seems a bit “lighter”, probably less hurtful and intense for him. Heavily involved are his Chiron & Eros (in his 7th), also his 4th/10th-house axis, his ASC/DSC-axis; AND his Sun & Mercury. He might have seen our relationship more like a game of “winning and losing”, some of his wishful thinking might not have come true, like a “lost game” in a way – and, obviously, his idea of an ideal romance was not to be fulfilled here, it was kind of “stressful” for him and he felt attacked in a way …

***edit***: In Synastry we had also
- his ASC/DSC exactly conjunct my MC/IC
- my North Node conjunct his VERTEX (1 dg.)

COMPOSITE

PLUTO in 11th
- cj. his natal ASC (!!!)
- cj. my natal MC (!!!)
>>> So, the Compo-Pluto kind of threatened his personal power and way of expressing himself – and threatened my plans, objections in life

SATURN in 6th
- cj. Compo-DSC / opp. Compo-ASC (!!!)
- cj. his natal Moon
- cj. my natal Amor
- cj. my natal Destinn
>>> Very simple: There was just no potential for being just plainly “happy” and relaxed ….

CHIRON in 5th
>>> at 0° Aries, so a very strong, impulsive, ruthless Chiron-quality ….

NESSUS in 8th
- cj. his natal North Node
- opp his natal Pt. of Treachery
- opp. my natal Circe
- opp my natal Actor
>>> From that, I’d say: My own powers of seduction haven’t been strong enough – or lead to desaster; while he just might have cheated on me/on us in a way … and thereby eroding our common base, adding to its end.

posted October 03, 2009 02:20 PM         

quote:

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cut the person off totally and act like the person is dead.

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posted October 03, 2009 02:34 PM         

Apart from those mentioned, you can also get out of it from a huge fight, ie, betrayal, or something offensive.. then it's through because your values are held in higher regard than the person (if they are).

posted October 03, 2009 05:08 PM         

as a matter of fact Mannequin,some time after my bf had leaved her,a couple of months later, she died....it is morbid all right.

but i guess that it was the way she leaved him alone too. ( and the way he met me years after)...

he was pretty devastated thinking that it was his fault ( of course it wasnt cause a soul choses when to die even before encarnating,it is only the soul´s responsability).

but yup....he did moved on,but only 2 years later,cause beliebe me...plutonian relationships can be really hard to forget,due to the profound energies that were being awaken.for better or for worse.

posted October 03, 2009 05:34 PM         

to me it seems that he was the one with the upper hand,although your nessus cj his IC must have been pretty hard too...

his pluto cj your IC:this one makes me think that he kind of felt obssessive with you,at your deepest core.he might have make re-surface on you all that you even didnt knew you had it! Pluto also stands for rebirth and regeneration so in a way maybe he also contributed to transform you in a new person,with a new "soul"? you were very devoted to him(vesta)and he could know that very well.maybe manipulated you in a way,making himself seen as very misterious,interesting and sexy?

did he scared you sometimes intimately?cause of being so intense? ( his pluto squared your libido)

his kiron was wounding you at your deepest core(on your ic/mc).at the same time,also your emotions...

his lilith cj his name in your chart-very fitting isnt it?sqaured your juno and ceres,so he wasnt deffinately a good partner to you,neither for husband or the father of your children.he would show a very dark energie of him,regarding those themes...

his nessus falling into your 7h- karma conjunct.here it is what i was expecting.you met in another life probably and i bet you have similar aspects from the nessus,pointing to a prior life with emotional/phsicological abuse again...squaring your nodes,he made your path very hurting for you,traumatizing?

your pluto cj your venus-this is the typical aspect that makes you two so obssessive with each other.even when the love disappear,still some very profound needing is there....

your lilith cj his sun:i have my lilith cj my bf´s moon and i find it a good aspect...how did this one played out for you?

cause to us i can deffinately feel at a profound level what are his deepest emotions.

your nessus was cj his ic/mc so in this one it was you who inflicted the pain probably...maybe you felt the need to protect yourself from him,and so unscounsciously you could have made mind games,making him deeply hurt?

ouch satunr cj the dsc...too much seriousness and structure there. and pluto hitting your axis on both...no happiness there.

nessus of relationship cj his NN-although he was the pluto here,he was really traumatized too with the relationship itself.

posted October 03, 2009 05:51 PM         

***edit***
P.S. 1: No, he was the Venus, I was the Pluto-person

P.S.2.: His Sun cj. my BM Lilith: A mutual struggle for the supremacy of different concepts/principles. He was fascinated AND repelled by my rather independent and sometimes serious side. He liked it and hated it. I felt threatened by him, by mind games, mainly, yes. He admitted several of these mindgames, telling me "I do this so that I can feel you better..." Pfff! Originally - and as far as I know about his current fling - he goes for a very different kind of woman. His current fling for instance, she's a bit on the dull side. ehm.... quite a ... simple girl, if you know what I mean. He even said that himself: "Usually I go for different types". Actually, we really don't match - he clings to a classical "under my thumb-approach" to relationships, I am an otpimistic and adventurous woman ... No way! ;-) Funnily enough: His JUNO is conjunct his BM Lilith in his natal chart - in Aqua in his 5th. So in some way ... I have been kind of an ideal partner for him, haha

posted October 03, 2009 06:09 PM         

but the hurt... is painful. my chest literally tears, i can't focus on anything else. there are trust issues, and loyalty issues. theres forgiveness, but we can never forget.

i don't know how i can get out of being with him. it seems impossible, he is like my past, present and future.