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Lucia23
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posted October 04, 2009 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Well, astrology aside, the timing makes a lot of sense--I left a 14+ year committed relationship three years ago. The vibe I am sending out now is less guarded, more open to connecting with the kind of guy I might have somehting real with. Friends around my age say it took them about that long after a separation to be really ready for something new.

But a lot of the recent changes in my life have been consistent with Pluto conjunct Ascendent, though it is not at a tight orb.

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Glaucus
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posted October 04, 2009 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Lucia,

May I look at your transits?

I am very curious.

also
How are things in your solar return?


Raymond

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Lucia23
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posted October 05, 2009 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
For some reason, something is screwed up with my Photobucket account. It won't let me upload images.

(DOB 8/14/74, Cleveland Ohio USA, 5:50pm)

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posted October 05, 2009 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,

I checked out your transits
using whole sign house system


Pluto is 5 degrees conjunct your Ascendant applying, and that's very wide for a Pluto transit. Most astrologers use up to 3 degree orb for transits. I am not sure about using orbs that big for Pluto either. I use no more than 3 degree orb for natal Pluto because it's a dwarf planet, and it has over 1,000 transneptunian neighbors. Pluto is not alone. Aspects involving Pluto's fellow transneptunians can easily account for wide orb Pluto aspect effects. Pluto is one of 3 transneptunian dwarf planets aka plutoids. There are other big transneptunians that will be joining them.


Transiting Pluto is in your 1st house.
It has already entered the 1st house in the whole sign house system.
Transiting Pluto entering the 1st house in the whole sign house system is like it conjuncting the Ascendant in house systems that use the Ascendant as the beginning of the 1st house.

In whole sign house system,Transiting Pluto is already in your 1st house. In other house systems, Transiting Pluto is in the 12th house.

Transiting South Lunar Node in Cancer is in your 7th house, and that can indicate the possibility of getting involved with relationships from the past (maybe pastlives), psychologically it could be that you make connections with others as instinctive Cancer trait become more evident in the psyche.

Transiiting North Lunar Node in Capricorn in your 1st can indicate that there are karmic lessons involving being self efficient,independent. Connections can be made with others that involving your ability to be ambitious,responsible as well as self sufficient,independent.

Transiting Mars in Cancer is in your 7th house, and that can indicate assertiveness,energy into relationships,partnerships,others


Transiting retrograde Neptune is in your 2nd house in an applying opposition to your Sun (the archetypal male) in 8th (sexual,intimate matters) with 2'13 orb.
That could indicate the possibility of idealistic,dreamy relationship connections with men.
Please note that opposition is the aspect that correlates with Libra and 7th house, and so the aspects does have to do with relationships,partnerships,and others. Please be aware of possible deception,confusion,illusion involving others. If those things are avoided, relationships with men can be inspirational,spiritual,mystical. Definitely very romantic and creative.

As I suspected, you have a close transit involving one of fellow Pluto's fellow big transneptunians which can easily account for identifying with wide orbed Pluto transits.

Transiting retrograde Sedna is in your 5th house (romance) in an applying square with your Sun in Leo in 8th with 5 minutes of arc.

Sedna is no mere asteroid either! It's the 5th largest transneptunian after Eris (1st largest), Pluto (2nd largest), Makemake (3rd largest), and (Haumea (4th largest). It is a dwarf planet candidate that is larger than dwarf planet, Ceres. It will be classed as dwarf planet soon. It's size guarantees its classification as dwarf planet.

with it's orbit of over 10,000 years. It has the longest orbit of all. It is the most outer object in the solar system. Therefore, the most metaphysically-oriented object.

It's named after the Inuit Goddess of the Oceans and Underworld. Therefore, it is Neptune-Pluto like in its astrological influence, but more otherworldly and intense.

with it being a transneptunian, it has to do with evolutionary intensified experiences.


with that in mind, the transit could indicate metaphysically-orientation, evolutionary intensified experiences involving men. There is the need to avoid abuse,betrayal,and victimization which was a part of the Sedna myth. There can be compassion,high conscious awareness/understanding,nurturing/caring on a collective level that also fits with Sedna myth.

astronomy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28astronomical_object%29

mythology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedna_%28deity%29


according to Philip Sedgwick:

Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general


You can avoid the negative Sedna traits and go for the positive Sedna traits.


Close aspects involving the bigr transneptunians besides Pluto can easily account for wide orbed Pluto aspect effects.

That's why I believe it is very important for astrologers to be up to date with astronomical discoveries.


I also checked your Secondary progressions:
using whole sign house system

Your progressed Mars is conjunct Pluto in 10th with 59 minutes applying. It could indicate the possibility of attracting powerful,ambitious men that could help you with your career.

Your Moon is progressed in 11th house,and that can indicate the possibility of increased social activity,friendships


also checked solar arcs

Solar Arc Neptune is in opposition to your Moon in 7th house with 4 minutes of arc applying.
this indicates that feelings in relationships are more idealistic,dreamy,sensitive now. There is the need to avoid deception,confusion,illusion involving your feelings with others. It can be a time for inspiration,spirituality,creativity. a lot of imagination too.

keep in mind that Solar Arc pictures last only a year
30 minutes of arc before exactitude - 6 months
30 minutes of arc after exactitude - 6 months

a total of 1 year

Raymond


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Lucia23
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posted October 05, 2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for your insights, Raymond!

I am uncomfortable with Neptune transits. But I am starting to make peace with Neptune. I'll do a bunch of reading on Sedna.

(By the way, while you have my chart handy, if you ever have the time, could you please check to see which astrological bodies are conjunct my Sun in my natal chart? In another thread, you mentioned software that allowed you to search in a way that seemed way less painstaking than plugging them in one by one on astro.com. The only one I know about is Kassandra.)

I just looked up my chart on the whole sign system. The transits (as well as natal planet placements) seem to make more sense.

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posted October 05, 2009 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Thanks for your insights, Raymond!"

"I am uncomfortable with Neptune transits. But I am starting to make peace with Neptune. I'll do a bunch of reading on Sedna."

Yeah...the hard Neptune transits can be a bit challenging, but once that are worked out, they can be okay...,especially use them for creativity,compassion,spirituality.


"(By the way, while you have my chart handy, if you ever have the time, could you please check to see which astrological bodies are conjunct my Sun in my natal chart? In another thread, you mentioned software that allowed you to search in a way that seemed way less painstaking than plugging them in one by one on astro.com. The only one I know about is Kassandra.)"

Riyal program is the software. I found 100 asteroids conjunct my Sun within 1 degree. Within 3 degree orb which I use for asteroids, it could be 300!
I admit that I am too lazy to do that for anybody else. haahhahaha

here is the Riyal program
you have to highlight/click the objects to get their true longitude positions. The ones the longitude positions that are shown are different,and they are not the actual longitude positions. I don't know why that is. http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/riyal.html

"I just looked up my chart on the whole sign system. The transits (as well as natal planet placements) seem to make more sense."

That's how I have become to feel about my own transits and natal placements in whole sign houses.

I couldn't help noticing that you have some conjunctions of the big transneptunian objects within 1 degree

Makemake in 18'11 Leo in 8th
conjunct Mercury in 19'01 Leo in 8th

Philip Sedgwick says that Makemake might have something to do with creativity. Thomas Edison had the same conjunction.

Haumea in 12'23 Virgo in 9th
conjunct Mars in 11'31 Virgo in 9th


other aspects involving the transneptunians within 3 degrees

Ixion in 6'54 Scorpio in 10th
Quaoar in 4'27 Scorpio in 10th
sextile/trine Asc/Desc in 5'48 Capricorn/Cancer

Sedna in 3'55 Taurus in 5th
trine/sextile Asc/Desc in 5'48 Capricorn/Cancer


In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude,a coordinate that astronomers use):

Right Ascension-Zodiac equivalent
for example 30'00 = 0'00 Taurus

Sedna in 5'27 Taurus
trine/sextile Asc/Desc in 6'19 Capricorn/Cancer

Pluto in 11'11 Libra
square Moon in 11'53 Cancer

Eris in 20'34 Aries
trine Mercury in 22'00 Leo

Quaoar in 3'25 Scorpio
sextile/trine Asc/Desc in 6'19 Capricorn/Cancer
square Venus in 2'09 Leo

Makemake in 0'11 Virgo
sextile MC/IC in 28'43 Libra/Aries

Ixion in 8'05 Scorpio
sextile/trine Asc/Desc in 6'19 Capricorn/Cancer


Raymond

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Lucia23
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posted October 05, 2009 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks!

I wish it was possible to just plug in a date/place/time/degree on astro.com, and it would come up with a list of asteroids that were in that spot then and there.

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