posted October 02, 2009 11:38 PM         

Moon travels on the average of 13'10 degrees per day,and so I wouldn't bother looking at lunar aspects without birth time.

Also a Mercury square dwarf planet,Pluto with a 5 degree orb doesn't seem intense for somebody to be a b-tch. I suspect that something else is going on.

Her Mercury is oppose/conjunct the heliocentric Pluto Nodes in Cancer/Caprciorn though, using a 2 degree orb.

the heliocentric Pluto Nodes are currently in 20'26 Capricorn/Cancer. Please keep in mind that heliocentric nodes of all objects move very slow like stars. They move up to 1 degree per century. Therefore, they have to do with collective matters. the heliocentric Pluto Nodes have to do with collective intensity,transformation and other Pluto stuff.

I also wonder if she has any hard aspects with Pluto's fellow plutinos, Orcus and Ixion.

also the centaur,Nessus can be "bad blood" It has a Saturn-Pluto energy about it. It links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto. That's why some astrologers came up with name which got accepted by astronomers. Therefore, Nessus might be an object to consider, especially if you look at other centaurs like Chiron.

There is one thing that I would like to add.
Personally, I don't believe in things as bitchy aspects. I think that anybody can be mean depending on certain circumstances. Things like mental illness, PMS,IMS could factor into people's moods and behavior.
Maybe the person has had a rough life and has been hurt before,and so there is some bitterness and insecurity. There is no telling what happened to the person. If there is a Moon conjunct Pluto, there is a possiblity that she has major trust issues connected to possible betrayal,abuse,and/or trauma in the past.

another thing is that maybe she would like to check out the astrological discussion about her being a b-tch and her astrological aspects after she gives you her birth time. You can tell her about this forum and thread, and you can see if she agrees with what's being said or not. Why not give her the chance to give her side of the story? After all, we have only yours.

oh and one last thing,
Roman Polanski has Moon conjunct Pluto,and he's no b-tch. Maybe she isn't one too. Instead of being referred to as a ***** ,maybe she needs compassion just like you suggested that we have compassion for Roman Polanski.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 03, 2009 12:14 AM         

Of course, being her mother/moon in her chart, I guess I'm biased. Although she tends to fall quickly into cussing/screaming/fighting with a number of boyfriends, something I never did (and not necessarily for the better) with her Dad for the 7 years we were married. And not something I've done once with my current bf of over a year.

posted October 03, 2009 02:44 AM         

I have really sharp tongued sometimes. I am critical and argumentive. No one in my work be angry at me but when I'm writing something sms or something else. When people only se what I write and not talking to me or see me they often can got angry. There are no nyance in the writing languaqe. Your body and intonation say so much.

In my work or in meeting to people I can say exactly what I want, no one be angry at me even If a say so stupid thing or hard word if someone do things wrong.

I have

moon square merk,uranus (-2),pluto (6)(VIRGO)
moon also square my saturn(3)Pisces.

posted October 03, 2009 10:52 AM         

transiting Pluto is currently directly opposite her natal cancerian Bm.Lillith ..

noted ..
her sun and venus are in 'air'
mars is in 'water' ..
( look to element interps to see why noted )
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/elmnts.html ~

her cancerian mars is square to taurean chiron ..
( seems to connect to what she was bitching about )

and .. at the moment transiting Bm.Lillith is Square to her natal Chiron ..

posted October 03, 2009 03:07 PM         

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But I've always been wary of Aqua energy.

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posted October 03, 2009 06:37 PM         

IF .. her natal Moon were to be exactly square her natal Mercury .. ( birth time would be 11.42 am GMT )
that would give the chart a Cap. asc. and put natal Mars directly on the Descendant .. and Mc at 21 Scorpio

that setup would put transiting Bm.Lillith at 2 deg into her 1st house .. i.e. just past the asc ..
also put transiting Chiron square to that potential Mc/Ic axis ..
puts natal Chiron in 3rd house .. pluto .. moon .. and n.node in 8th house
Leo Saturn in 7th ..
natal Merc would sit in 12th house

( placidius houses )

i continue to associate Bm.Lillith with potential " bitchiness"
( in that Bm.Lillith has a particular 'anger' flavour )
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posted October 04, 2009 08:04 AM         

I like happy dragon's list of why people are bitchy. The people I've known to be bitchy are....

*** mainly women
*** band together to talk about others
*** don't mind shooting their mouth off and commenting about other people's lives
*** don't care if they hurt others
*** will purposely hurt someone, if there has been a silent group agreement about someone's achilles heel
*** lack self-discipline
*** are selfish
*** are shallow
*** lack sensible rationale
*** easily swayed (feeble-minded?)
*** extremely nasty

Maybe a poorly aspected women's asteroid/feminine symbol, square or opposite self-image/esteem/negativity celestial object.....

posted October 04, 2009 10:32 PM         

I hear you NINE - i am wary of Aqua's too

Happy Dragon - wow, interesting. I will try to find out her birth time !

She was bitchy to me yesterday too... i was on my friends wall and she made a catty remark in my direction.
I really have never met someone who has so much poison in her mouth it's scary and not sure if its a transit or not.

posted October 05, 2009 01:22 PM         

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I know an Aqua/Libra who is mean, cold, cruel, and selfish. And impossible difficult woman.

I say the malice comes from her Sun/Moon combination. But I've always been wary of Aqua energy.

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posted October 05, 2009 01:48 PM         

iŽll ask then:what would you say about a person that have:

Mars cj MC libra
Mars cj Pluto in libra 1oh
Pluto cj Moon in Libra 10h
Moon cJ MERC in libra 10h
Merc cJ uranus in libra 10h

this man also has NN cj asc - people often say that this aspect denotes a difficult life lesson...why?

i have a hard time on how to deal with this person too,so id like to know what does these say about him.
all this being squared by saturn in 7Th

would a possible trauma or wound,make a person so frustrated with life,that he could turn out a bitchy person?

cause he also has this:

kiron in the 4H kikx sun
kiron wide opose moon/merc
Kiron square saturn and opose uranus
kiron sesquisquare neptune

i wonder....if people arent born bitchy...then what makes them being so..difficult?

posted October 05, 2009 02:18 PM         

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Just out of curiosity, what's wrong with Aquas? I would've thought that a Aqua/Libra would be sweet.

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I'm sure there is nothing wrong with them. But personally, it's one of the signs that I've struggled with consistently over the years. Them and Aries. But at least with Aries I can change things up, come at them from another angle and all is cool. Aquas I find dogmatic, unreasonable, selfish, cold and mean. Sneaky, malicious, unyielding.

I'm a Gemini and one of those who flirt their way into friendships. The instant Aqua finds out nothing is going to happen (I don't mess with Aquas), mind games ensue. Apparently they can't adapt to changing circumstances. I butt heads with them at home and work generally. Places when I can't help running into them.

People say Scorpio is a mind game champ. Not with me. I think Scorpio is more reactive. Aquarius is aggressive. They go out of their way to test people and start a battle of wits.

posted October 14, 2009 05:43 AM         

and scrappy, what you described i wouldnt call bitchy, it seems more like pluto/h8 energy working at a lower level.. which is not really catty, it's something more, more about the ego/power, much more thought out i should say, not as reactive.