posted October 08, 2009 07:25 PM         

Venus in Taurus: I love very intensely, very deeply, I am hopelessly devoted. I am ardent and faithful. When it ends I try, try and try again. I forgive everything and emerse myself in all the wonderful memories, holding on so tight. Then it takes me *years* to get over someone.

Neptune in the 7th.....read this article called "Cinderella Complex" by Sasstrology.com http://sasstrology.com/2009/10/neptune-in-the-seventh-house-the-cinderella-complex.html

Well I don't feel the article is totally complete but I do understand the point and yes I do have that complex, but at the same time, I really don't know how to rise about these aspects.

The aspects we were born with make us who we are.......our character and personalities.

Just wondering how I can rise above these aspects......always much EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

You can't MAKE yourself feel a certain way. Your heart and soul feels the way it feels.

Other people with these aspects, how do you handle it?

posted October 08, 2009 08:20 PM         

Over the years I've just learned that there's compromise and there's non-negotiable stuff in relationships. I've been challenging myself to be more picky and decipher between real intuition and emotional narcolepsy (Neptune in the 7th). I'm lucky Neptune doesn't make any hard aspects to my personal planets, thought it does conjunct my Ceres/Juno. But I think this is really about unconditional love.
The main important thing I've learned is that Neptune 7th house people give A LOT of themselves in relationships.... therefor they need someone who will be *highly* appreciative and also who will also give a lot back in return. Someone who will love them back unconditionally because I think we're starved for that on a gut level.

In some ways it can never be enough really... but I also think that when we realize that we are our own partners in a sense, then we can give to ourselves unconditionally, and once we put that into practice, we will attract it and get it.
That's how I've felt Neptune in the 7th has worked for me.

But there are so many different layers to this placement!

posted October 08, 2009 09:14 PM         

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I have Neptune in the 7th, and I've called myself a relationship social worker... add to that my 7th house ruler, Pluto, in the 6th house

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We have t he same chart. I have all the stuff you listed, exactly, except I have pluto in the 5th/6th, so I am even worse!

posted October 08, 2009 09:40 PM         

A lot of the things both of you have said, I am the same!

Still feeling not too great about it though. *sigh*

posted October 08, 2009 09:50 PM         

Oh, waaaahhh, does he love me? Or love me not? Oh, woe is me, I think I'll call my mother and CRY and cry and eat a whole box of...but wait! Saturn won't let me eat that box of....Saturn won't let me call my mother...Saturn wants my dignity preserved at ANY COST, including never, ever, ever letting anyone know I am vulnerable or have feelings for him, even if it kills me inside.

Yeah, I'm SO OVER it.

I want to be my Draconic chart--a Sag Sun with Libra in my 7th!

posted October 08, 2009 10:07 PM         

with corresponding midpoint pictures of:

Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint with 17 minutes of arc
Saturn semisquare Moon/Jupiter midpoint with 36 minutes of arc

I hate the bad luck,misfortune,suffering with relationships,women,mother,domestic environment,career,upbringing.. All the stuff that they talked about in all the traditional,modern astrology books fit me quite a bit.

I know that t-square indicates major karmic issues to deal with in this lifetime.

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 3rd trine Moon is there to ease things, and can be very good for relationships,hope,and inner peace and serenity.

with my upcoming simultaneous Solar Return,Lunar Return with Sun trine Moon, my natal Sun trine Moon will be reinforced. It will be a great annual period for relationships. (Hey..I have to think positive...Law of Attraction)
hahahahahaha

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 08, 2009 10:30 PM         

Besides, it's great giving my especially challenging aspects funny nicknames, like Saturn square Neptune gives me an acute case of "Woody Allen Syndrome" or Chiron opposing the Stellium is "The Wounded Bull in the China Shop." Finding the cure to these maladies is a lot of work and not a whole lot of fun, but it is spiritually rewarding in the end.

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"The only way out is through" ---Robert Frost

posted October 08, 2009 10:44 PM         

I am not sure

it might depend on the planets involved.
also the orb too, especially it has a corresponding midpoint picture, particular the opposition midpoint picture like in my case, I have Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint

I think luminaries involved in t-squares with Saturn and an outer planet can be significant karmic challenges like in my case with the Saturn oppose Neptune.

according to Robert Hand's book, HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS

Saturn/Neptune: Confusion about what is real and is not real. fear,pessimism. Ascetism, extreme self-denial or denial of the physical for reasons of discipline. Often takes the form of chronic,non-infectious,or systemic ailments. The ability to bring dreams into concrete realization

medical astrologers,cosmobiologists,uranian astrology look at Saturn/Neptune midpoint and hard Saturn-Neptune midpoint in regards to serious medical problems,particularly chronic illnesses. That's one of the first things that they will check in a Medical Astrology chart.

with the Moon involved, this is especially true for my mother who has serious health problems in the form of diabetes and hepatitis C and mental health problems that include depression,anxiety. She is also a recovering alcoholic,drug addict. Of course, as her only child, I help support her. I feel that I have an obligation and responsibility to be there for her and support her. The main challenge for me was overcome any emotional,past issues that I had with her and replace it with compassion and caring. My t-square could draw me into the healing arts,helping others. My own issues with mental health could help me empathize with others that have mental health issues too. Moon is said to be associated with the brain/mental processing,and so it can indicate possible issues in that area which is true for me and is hereditary from both sides....my Saturn-Neptune opposition is in the 10th and 4th houses which are house of father and mother.

with my Moon being in 7th, relationships can be effected. My future relationship partners could have similar issues.

my Varuna is in 3'01 Gemini R in 10th,and so its involved with my t-square

as a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, it's involved in evolutionary intensified lessons that involve judgment,justice. The perfect example is how I used to be a strong believer in the death penalty,and it was connected to my mom's shooting. that fits with Moon (mother) square Varuna (justice,judgment) I do believe in harsher punishments for violent criminals. As a kid, I liked the fictional Batman who was traumatized by the murder of his parents and became a vigilante,taking the law into his own hands,and sometimes get caught between the light and darkness. A very psychological character.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 08, 2009 11:27 PM         

I love everything about the 8th house.

posted October 08, 2009 11:30 PM         

Hard Saturn-Neptune aspects have their positives too

I have the Saturn-Neptune opposition involved with my Moon. I also have the Saturn-Neptune contraparallel involved with my Mercury and Venus.

in my case: I refrain from drugs and alcohol as well as avoid things like channeling,mediumism,and magick
it's about the need to control boundaries to avoid being caught up and overwhelmed by things that can lead to possible psychosis , especially when I have transneptunian (Varuna) involved in hard aspect as in "the other side" which doesn't necessarily have to be metaphysical but also the depths of the unconscious mind.

like I said in an earlier thread,I try to balance out logical,rational,linear and the intuitive,imaginative nonlinear sides of me.
I like both science and metaphysics. Astrology is a metaphysical science. It's metaphysical in that it's divination that involve the belief that the heavenly bodies synchronized with human affairs as well as confirming things that are viewed as mystical,supernatural,metaphysical. It's science because it's a high-data system that involves astronomy, mathematics,and overall analysis. It's a social science because it involves the study of human nature. Astrology tends to be influenced by the discoveries of Astronomers (i.e. most Western Astrologers use the outerplanets and Pluto).

my hard Saturn-Neptune configurations can also be compassion for people that problems,suffer in some way, especially health problems (doesn't matter if the are physical or mental..actually mental is physical because of the brain involved). A lot of people are very prejudiced when it comes to mental health problems. Instead of looking down on them, I feel the need to have compassion and understand what they are going through. This stems from my own past experiences with mental health problems.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 08, 2009 11:35 PM         

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in my case: I refrain from drugs and alcohol as well as avoid things like channeling,mediumism,and magick

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posted October 08, 2009 11:58 PM         

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I try to balance out logical,rational,linear and the intuitive,imaginative nonlinear sides of me

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I agree with this Raymond, I think that is the key. I can't let my imagination or emotions run wild or get the best of me so I like to get rational about things too, balance it out. That is something I learned about myself not too long ago actually, I tell myself to "talk it out" and "be reasonable".

posted October 09, 2009 12:56 AM         

I've read both descriptions, I relate to the 8th house Sun but I have heard a stellium is easier to handle when they are all in the same sign, I believe if I am not mistaken you are 8th house Leo all across the board.

posted October 09, 2009 01:34 AM         

But yes, I would much rather have my Mars also in Leo.

posted October 09, 2009 01:39 AM         

*A stellium in Libra
*Sun AND Saturn in the 7th house--my whole identity revolves around relationships but yet relationships are my most challenging area? Greeeeeeeat...
*Venus in Scorpio and Pluto both in the 8th house...oh and Venus (Libra) is my 8th house ruler...what the HELL did I do to myself?

Ummm, yeah...need to tone down the intensity level a bit next lifetime! Oy.

posted October 09, 2009 01:47 AM         

Chesire I know what you mean...I'm a Virgo in 12H, with a 1H Libra Stellium. It feels very contradictory...but I find as I get older, I'm starting to grow more comfortable with my 1H stellium.

Glaucus,
So what're the effects of someone with a T-square of; 10H Mercury opp. 4H Saturn, squaring 7H Moon?? Would that be quite similar to your case??

posted October 09, 2009 01:55 AM         

yeah...at least you don't have Neptune involved.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"