posted October 19, 2009 03:23 PM            

Edgar Cayce brought the knowledge back with a bang in public consciousness.

In this thread, we will see the Astrological aspects that increase the probability of having a past life in Ancient Atlantis.

Some interesting additional points about the Civilization of Atlantis.
1. There is a big connection between Atlantis and the Crystal Skull. This is what inspired the movie "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull". In the movie, the lost kingdom is referred to as the Mother Lode, and 13 Aliens with Crystal Bones having a Group Min were said to have inspired all the Civilizations on Earth. The 13 refers to the Sidereal Zodiac including Ophichius as well as the 13 Illuminati Bloodlines established after the Fall of Atlantis.

2. Ancient Egypt and the Pyramids of Mayas, Incas and a Submerged Pyramid off the Sea of Japan form a 144 degree [12 x 12] angle.
This is supposed to be a Sacred Geometry Clue of Pyramids and Tetrahedral Degrees/Prism Crystals used in Atlantis.

3. Atlantis and Lemuria are said to have mirrored battles that occured eons ago between Draco Reptilian Aliens and Lyrean Humanoids. The Reptilian hybridization is said to be an attempt at resolution post Atlantis. Far out and interesting theory propounded by mentalist and ex-Montauk boy Stewart Swerdlow.

4. Linda Goodman revelaed many secrets of Atlantis in Star Signs. One very significant one is that America today is reliving the Karma of Atlantis.

5. The first movie to connect Atlantis and Aliens was Cocoon. The movie was released on 21st June, both equinox as well as Prince William's birthday.

6. The first ever Atlantis related movie was released on May 3rd 1961.
Hold your breath...
On that day, Asteroid KARMA was absolutely exactly conjunct South Node.
And Asteroid ATLANTIS was squared by Uranus in Leo with a 45 minute orb. Uranus rules Aquarius, and the Age of Aquarius has a lot to do with awakening to Atlantis.
The Ascendant at Noon in Hollywood on May 3rd 1961 is Leo!!!
And conjunct to 1 degree orb of ATLANTIS is none other than... Asteroid KAALI!!! In 23.4 Scorpio...

And remarkably... this was a rare day when Sun exactly trined UR conjunct GIZA in 13.2 Capricorn. To fall of your chairs, just look up the Sabian of 13-14 Capricorn:
"An Ancient Bas-Relief Carved In Granite Remains A Witness To A Long-Forgotten Culture"

Mind you, none of this was known to the film's producers ( They were so incompetent that they borrowed footage from other movies...)

Refer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis_in_art,_literature_and_popular_culture

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posted October 19, 2009 03:38 PM            

I want to point out that the Sidereal Zodiac is the 12 equal sign zodiac like the Tropical Zodiac.

It's not the same as the 13 unequal constellation zodiac.

I notice quite a few people refer to the sidereal zodiac as the constellation zodiac and vice versa when they are not the same. It leads to lot of confusion about the zodiacs.

in my chart:

Atlantis in 12'18 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Astraea in 12'10 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Mesopotamia in 11'34 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct DNA in 11'10 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Aesculapia in 12'30 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Apollo in 12'47 Sagittarius in 4th
conjunct Geocentric South Uranus Node in 12'04 Sagittarius in 4th
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
trine Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th
trine Isis in 13'08 Aries R in 8th
trine Chiron in 10'32 Aries R in 8th
trine Ceres in 13'57 Leo in 12th
trine/sextile Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius in 12th and 6th
square Haumea in 11'17 Virgo in 1st
square Hippokrates in 13'11 Pisces in 7th
square Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
sextile Astronomia in 11'01 Libra in 2nd
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius in 6th and 12th

I liked watching the show,Man From Atlantis. I always had a strong interest in mermaids.
Of course, I was in the navy..so I was a sailor and worked,lived on the water.

Atlantis aspects the following asteroids named after sea deities

conjunct Nereus (old king of the waters,father of Nereids)in 13'33 Sagittarius in 4th
trine Thetis (a Nereid,mother of Achilles) in 12'18 Leo in 12th

Raymond
tropical Scorpio Sun,sidereal Libra Sun, constellation Virgo Sun

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posted October 19, 2009 05:49 PM            

where did the alien dna come from. was it inherited. do any of your parents have alien DNA.

what do you do to keep yourself grounded?

Raymond

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posted October 19, 2009 06:18 PM            

11.32 Pisces
"In The Sanctuary Of An Occult Brotherhood, Newly Initiated Members Are Being Examined And Their Character Tested."

posted October 19, 2009 07:47 PM            

Atlantis

Atlantis is a legendary island in the Atlantic, west of Gibraltar, that sunk beneath the sea during a violent eruption of earthquakes and floods some 9,000 years before Plato wrote about it in his Timaeus and Critias. In a discussion of utopian societies, Plato claims that Egyptian priests told Solon about Atlantis. Plato was not describing a real place any more than his allegory of the cave describes a real cave. The purpose of Atlantis is to express a moral message in a discussion of ideal societies, a favorite theme of his. The fact that nobody in Greece for 9,000 years had mentioned a battle between Athens and Atlantis should serve as a clue that Plato was not talking about a real place or battle. Nevertheless, Plato is often cited as the primary source for the reality of a place on earth called Atlantis. Here is what the Egyptian priest allegedly told Solon:

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.

Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. (Timaeus)

The story is reminiscent of what Athens did against the Persians in the early 5th century BCE, but the battle with Atlantis allegedly took place in the 8th or 9th millennium BCE. It would not take much of a historical scholar to know that Athens in 9,000 BCE was either uninhabited or was occupied by very primitive people. This fact would not have concerned Plato's readers because they would have understood that he was not giving them an historical account of a real city. To assume, as many believers in Atlantis do, that there is a parallel between Homer's Iliad and Odyssey and Plato's Critias and Timaeus is simply absurd. And those who think that just as Schliemann found Troy so too will we someday crack Plato's code and find Atlantis are drawing an analogy where they should be drawing the curtains. Plato's purpose was not to pass on stories, but to create stories to teach moral lessons. What can we expect next from these lost scholars? A search for the grave of Cecrops, the serpent-tailed first king of Athens? The discovery of the true trident of Poseidon?

Different seekers have located the mythical place in the mid-Atlantic, Cuba, the Andes, and dozens of other places. Some have equated ancient Thera with Atlantis. Thera is a volcanic Greek island in the Aegean Sea that was devastated by a volcanic eruption in 1625 BCE. Until then it had been associated with the Minoan civilization on Crete.

To many, however, Atlantis is not just a lost continent. It is a lost world. The Atlanteans were extraterrestrials who destroyed themselves with nuclear bombs or some other extraordinarily powerful device. Atlantis was a place of advanced civilization and technology. Lewis Spence, a Scottish mythologist who used "inspiration" instead of scientific methods, attributes Cro-Magnon cave paintings in Europe to displaced Atlanteans (Feder, 130). Helena Blavatsky and the theosophists of the late 19th century invented the notion that the Atlanteans had invented airplanes and explosives and grew extraterrestrial wheat. The theosophists also invented Mu, a lost continent in the Pacific Ocean. Psychic healer Edgar Cayce claimed to have had psychic knowledge of Atlantean texts which assisted him in his prophecies and cures. J.Z. Knight claims that Ramtha, the spirit she channels, is from Atlantis.

Ignatius DonnellyThe serious investigator of the myth of Atlantis must read Ignatius Donnelly's Atlantis: the Antediluvian World (1882). In the spirit of von Däniken, Velikovsky and Sitchin, Donnelly assumes that Plato's myth is true history. Much of the popularity of the myth of Atlantis, however, must go to popular writers such J.V. Luce (The End of Atlantis, 1970) and Charles Berlitz, the man who popularized the Bermuda Triangle and the discovery of Noah's Ark. His Doomsday, 1999 A.D. (1981) comes complete with maps of Atlantis and drawings by J. Manson Valentine. Graham Hancock is doing much to keep alive this tradition of "alternative" and "speculative" history and archaeology which seeks a single source for ancient civilizations. Scientists and the BBC don't think too highly of Mr. Hancock's efforts.

Atlantis and the aliens

These "alternative" archaeologists have credited the Atlanteans with teaching the Egyptians and the Mesoamericans how to build pyramids and how to write, etc., arguing similarly to von Däniken that ancient civilizations burst on the scene in a variety of different places on earth and have a common source. Atlanteans or aliens, either way the case can be made for a common source for ancient civilizations only if one selectively ignores the gradual and lengthy development of those societies. One must also ignore that the writing of the Egyptians is no clue to the writing of the Mayans, or vice-versa, and that the purpose of their pyramids was quite different. The Mesoamericans rarely buried anyone in their pyramids; they were primarily for religious rituals and sacrifices. The Egyptians used pyramids exclusively for tombs or monuments over tombs. Why would the aliens or Atlanteans not teach the same writing techniques to the two cultures? And why teach step building in Mesoamerica, a technique not favored by the Egyptians? If you ignore the failures of the early pyramid builders and ignore their obvious development over time, including the development of underground tombs with several chambers, then you might be able to persuade uncritical minds that Giza couldn't have occurred without alien intervention.

Finally, one should wonder, I suppose, if the Atlanteans were such technological geniuses who shared their wisdom with the world, why did Plato depict them as arrogant warmongers?

Unfortunately for the New Age Atlanteans, there is no credible and convincing archaeological or geological evidence for either Atlantis or Mu. That has not stopped hundreds of people from concocting theories to the contrary. To paraphrase Whitehead, the belief in Atlantis, the ancient and great civilization, is another footnote to Plato.
http://www.skepdic.com/atlantis.html

Raymond

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The volcanic explosion that obliterated much of the island that might have
inspired the legend of Atlantis apparently triggered a tsunami that traveled
hundreds of miles to reach as far as present-day Israel, scientists now suggest.

The new findings about this past tsunami could shed light on the destructive
potential of future disasters, researchers added.

The islands that make up the small circular archipelago of Santorini, roughly
120 miles (200 km) southeast of Greece, are what remain of what once was a
single island, before one of the largest volcanic eruptions in human antiquity
shattered it in the Bronze Age some time between 1630 B.C. to 1550 B.C.

Speculation has abounded as to whether the Santorini eruption inspired the
legend of Atlantis, which Plato said drowned in the ocean. Although the isle is
often regarded as just an invention, the explosion might have given rise to the
story of a lost empire by helping to wipe out the real-life Minoan civilization
that once dominated the Mediterranean, from which the myth of the bull-headed
'minotaur' comes.

The primary means by which the eruption potentially wreaked havoc on the Minoan
civilization is by the giant tsunami it would have triggered. However, the
precise effects of this eruption and killer wave have been a mystery for
decades.

Now scientists find the tsunami may have been powerful enough to race some 600
miles (1,000 km) from Santorini to reach the farthest eastern shores of the
Mediterranean, leaving behind a layer of debris more than a foot thick by the
coast of Israel.

Researchers dove as far as 65 feet deep (20 meters) off the coast of Caesarea in
Israel to collect tubes of sediment, or cores, more than 6 feet long (2 meters)
from the seabed.

"The work resembles a construction site with pneumatic hammers, heavy weights,
floats to counter-weight equipment, hoses - Each time we took the system down it
took hours of surface preparation, planning, and discussion," said researcher
Beverly Goodman, a marine geoarchaeologist at Interuniversity Institute for
Marine Sciences at Eilat, Israel.

Within the cores, they found evidence of up to nearly 16 inches of sediment
deposited roughly about the date of the Santorini eruption. The range of sizes
of the particles making up this deposit is the kind one might find laid down by
a tsunami - storms, in comparison, cannot kick up the seafloor as much, and as
such the range of particle sizes they generate is more limited.

The discovery was very much an accident, Goodman noted. They were actually
researching the demise of the harbor of ancient Caesarea, the cause of which
remains hotly debated, with culprits including earthquakes and tsunamis.

"I was testing how two later Roman and Byzantine tsunami deposits could be
characterized by studying the different grain sizes - various sand, pebbles,
rocks, ceramic pieces - in the deposit. Based on determining this 'signature,' I
then noticed that there were more than the expected number of tsunami deposits,"
she explained. "I had no expectation that remnants of the Santorini event would
be present in the cores."

These findings support the idea that the Santorini eruption and the side effects
from it, such as the tsunami, were massive.

"In the case of the eastern Mediterranean, there seems to be a surprising dearth
of archaeological sites along the coastline following the Santorini eruption
event," Goodman said. Either archaeologists have failed to concentrate on this
time span, "which isn't the case," she said, or the tsunami had a very real
impact on coastal settlements.

The dramatic changes in life triggered by the tsunami "might have been part of
the fabric of the Atlantis story," Goodman added. "The network of sea-based
trade was rather sophisticated in that period, and colonies that were nearly
solely dependent on those trade routes existed. It is hard to imagine that such
a far-reaching disaster didn't cause them severe shortages in supplies, wealth
and power."

Although Atlantis itself "is a myth and legend, it is informative about the
experiences of the ancients," Goodman said. "It may very well be the case that
those passing the story on had heard of or witnessed events in which coastal
buildings went underwater because of earthquakes; beachfront towns were flooded
during tsunamis; islands were created by underwater volcanic activity. There may
be that grain of truth that lent legitimacy and a certain reality to the legend
of Atlantis."

To better reconstruct the Santorini tsunami, the scientists plan to analyze
deposits closer to the eruption, such as on Crete and in western parts of
Turkey. Knowing the potential effect of tsunamis could be critical for the
coastal planning and management, Goodman said, adding that the eastern
Mediterranean is very highly populated and possesses considerable sensitive
infrastructure such as power stations.

"I suppose there is always the question of whether I think another tsunami will
occur in the eastern Med," Goodman said. "The answer is yes. I actually checked
the elevation of the house I am moving to near Caesarea before agreeing to move
there."

Goodman and her colleagues detailed their findings in the October issue of the
journal Geology.
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posted October 19, 2009 08:02 PM            

The imagery may show the former locations of major buildings and rings

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A scientist says he may have found remains of the lost city of Atlantis.

Satellite photos of southern Spain reveal features on the ground appearing to match descriptions made by Greek scholar Plato of the fabled utopia.

Dr Rainer Kuehne thinks the "island" of Atlantis simply referred to a region of the southern Spanish coast destroyed by a flood between 800 BC and 500 BC.

The research has been reported as an ongoing project in the online edition of the journal Antiquity.

We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described
Dr Rainer Kuehne
Satellite photos of a salt marsh region known as Marisma de Hinojos near the city of Cadiz show two rectangular structures in the mud and parts of concentric rings that may once have surrounded them.

"Plato wrote of an island of five stades (925m) diameter that was surrounded by several circular structures - concentric rings - some consisting of Earth and the others of water. We have in the photos concentric rings just as Plato described," Dr Kuehne told BBC News Online.

Dr Kuehne believes the rectangular features could be the remains of a "silver" temple devoted to the sea god Poseidon and a "golden" temple devoted to Cleito and Poseidon - all described in Plato's dialogue Critias.

Temples of the sea god

The identification of the site with Atlantis was first proposed by Werner Wickboldt, a lecturer and Atlantis enthusiast who spotted the rectangles and concentric rings by studying photographs from across the Mediterranean for signs of the city described by Plato.

The sizes of the "island" and its rings in the satellite image are slightly larger than those described by Plato. There are two possible explanations for this, says Dr Kuehne.

First, Plato may have underplayed the size of Atlantis. Secondly, the ancient unit of measurement used by Plato - the stade - may have been 20% larger than traditionally assumed.

It is claimed that concentric rings surround the temple site

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If the latter is true, one of the rectangular features on the "island" matches almost exactly the dimensions given by Plato for the temple of Poseidon.

Mr Wickboldt explained: "This is the only place that seems to fit [Plato's] description."

He added that the Greeks might have confused an Egyptian word referring to a coastline with one meaning "island" during transmission of the Atlantis story.

Commenting on the satellite image showing the two "temples", Tony Wilkinson, an expert in the use of remote sensing in archaeology at the University of Edinburgh, UK, told BBC News Online: "A lot of the problems come with interpretations. I can see something there and I could imagine that one could interpret it in various ways. But you've got several leaps of faith here.

Metal trading

"We use the imagery to recognise certain types of imprint on the ground and then do [in the field] verification on them. Based on what we see on the ground we make an interpretation.

"What we need here is a date range. Otherwise, you're just dealing with morphology. But the [features] are interesting."

The fabled utopia of Atlantis has captured the imagination of scholars for centuries. The earliest known records of this mythical land appear in Plato's dialogues Critias and Timaios.

Drawing of Atlantis
This reconstruction of the city of Atlantis is based on Plato's description
His depiction of a land of fabulous wealth, advanced civilisation and natural beauty has spurred many adventurers to seek out its location.

One recent theory equates Atlantis with Spartel Island, a mud shoal in the straits of Gibraltar that sank into the sea 11,000 years ago.

Plato described Atlantis as having a "plain". Dr Kuehne said this might be the plain that extends today from Spain's southern coast up to the city of Seville. The high mountains described by the Greek scholar could be the Sierra Morena and Sierra Nevada.

"Plato also wrote that Atlantis is rich in copper and other metals. Copper is found in abundance in the mines of the Sierra Morena," Dr Kuehne explained.

Marisma de Hinojos Kuehne
The rectangles: What interpretation can be put on the satellite images? Image: Werner Wickboldt
Dr Kuehne noticed that the war between Atlantis and the eastern Mediterranean described in Plato's writings closely resembled attacks on Egypt, Cyprus and the Levant during the 12th Century BC by mysterious raiders known as the Sea People.

As a result, he proposes that the Atlanteans and the Sea People were in fact one and the same.

This dating would equate the city and society of Atlantis with either the Iron Age Tartessos culture of southern Spain or another, unknown, Bronze Age culture. A link between Atlantis and Tartessos was first proposed in the early 20th Century.

Dr Kuehne said he hoped to attract interest from archaeologists to excavate the site. But this may be tricky. The features in the satellite photo are located within Spain's Donana national park.

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posted October 19, 2009 08:17 PM            

Jacques Collina-Girard, from the University of the Mediterranean in Aix-en-Provence, says it could have been sited on an island close to the Strait of Gibraltar, and would have vanished below the waves about 11,000 years ago - just as Plato said it did.

Nobody seems to have to have thought of the clearest indication given by Plato - that of an island at the mouth of the Pillars of Hercules

Jacques Collina-Girard
Collina-Girard's evidence is based on a study of sea levels that prevailed as the last Ice Age was ending.

His assessment of the coral reef data shows the coastline off the southernmost tip of Spain and around Gibraltar 19,000 years ago to have been 130 metres (422 feet) below what it is today.

This would have exposed an archipelago, with an island at the spot where Plato reported Atlantis to be in his work Timaeus.

"There was an island in front of the 'Pillars of Hercules'," what we would now call the Strait of Gibraltar, Collina-Girard told New Scientist magazine. Named Spartel, this island lay to the west of the Strait just as the Greek philosopher described. The Strait was longer and narrower than today, and enclosed a harbour-like inland sea.

Volcanic eruptions

The search for Atlantis has led archaeologists and thrillseekers to the Caribbean, the Azores, Canaries, Iceland, Crete, Tunisia, Sweden, the coast of Western Africa and even the Sahara.

But, Collina-Girard says, nobody ever looked in the most obvious place. "Nobody seems to have to have thought of the clearest indication given by Plato - that of an island at the mouth of the Pillars of Hercules."

The researcher says he made the discovery accidentally while investigating the possible migration patterns of Palaeolithic people.

He says, however, that in a number of respects, Plato's reporting simply does not square with the geological evidence. For example, Plato said Atlantis was larger than Libya and Asia combined, whereas Spartel was only 14 kilometers (8.75 miles) long by five km wide (three miles) at the time.

Plato also reports that volcanic activity sank Atlantis, but this may have been a case of embellishment, says Collina-Girard. "The Greeks were familiar with volcanic eruptions," he notes. To them, such a fate might have been more dramatic and plausible than the change in sea level that would have accompanied the melting and gradual retreat glacial icesheets.

The idea that Atlantis was also an advanced, utopian society may also be an embellishment.

Collina-Girard has published his work in a prestigious French journal, Comptes Rendus de l'Academie des Sciences.

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Atlantis scientific discoveries. The Atlantis between Spain and Morocco

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Atlantis Expeditions

Atlantis scientific discoveries. The Atlantis between Spain and Morocco.

A Scientific Expedition has started off at the end of this summer for the area of the Straits of Gibraltar in search of possible ruins of the well-known civilization like Atlantis by Plato.

/DiscoveryAtlantis.sytes.net/ According to the "Atlantis Ibero-Moroccan project", between the coasts of southwest of the Iberian Peninsula and the northwest of Africa evidences of cities or submerged coastal villages of the Bronze Age would have to be that could belong to the Island or Peninsula of Atlantis.

Expedition: "The Atlantis Ibero-Mauretanean"

By Maria Fdez-Valmayor

The expedition is directed by specialist the investigating outstanding and in languages and writings of the antiquity, Spanish-Cuban Georgeos Diaz-Montexano(1), President Founded Emeritus of the rising "Scientific Atlantology International Society" (S.A.I.S.), and creator of the Proto-genesis project. Between his objectives it is the confirmation of revealers and enigmatic data found in several texts of the antiquity.

The old authors and the Atlantis

The Spanish-Cuban investigator and scriptologist Georgeos Diaz-Montexano has made very revealing discoveries that they allow to guarantee his thesis on the possible existence of an historical substrate in the story of Plato on the Island or Atlantis Peninsula or Atlantis, the one that would be according to Georgeos Diaz, in some point between the Straits of Gibraltar, the Gulf of Cádiz, the coasts of Morocco, and the Madeira Islands like possible more remote point. In their intellectual effort for to decipher definitively the enigma of the Atlantic civilization that Plato denominated with that same name, Diaz-Montexano has been able to find several references of other authors classic, previous to Plato, who give to faith of the existence of an island or peninsula that like the Atlantis Island was located just in front of the Straits of Gibraltar between Gadira or Gades, the present Cádiz, and the Atlas or coasts of Morocco.

These references contribute many revealing data that confirm the geographic data contributed by Plato when it described emporium Atlantean, its main island or the Acropolis and the location of this in front of the " Columns of Hercules " (Gibraltar) between Gadira (Cádiz) and the Atlas (Morocco). These references were made by other authors of the antiquity previous to the Athenian philosopher, and to whom a considerable reliability in its descriptions is granted to them as they are Eutímenes de Massalia (500 B.C.), Anacreonte (570 B.C. - beginnings of the V B.C.), Hecateo de Mileto (560-480 B.C.), Ferécides (456 B.C.), Píndaro (518-438 to C.), Eurípides (485-306 to C.), Heródoto (484-430/424 to C.), Isócrates (436/5-338 B.C.), Euctemon (436/424 to C.) and Damastes de Sigeon (V to C.). These authors mention to other islands also located in the surroundings of Gibraltar and in the borders of the Atlantic coasts of Iberia and Morocco, these islands are Aliba, Etheria, Scheria, Erythea, Gadeira, Sarpedonia, Ogigia and Tartessós, and is very possible that many of them are different forms to denominate to the same island or peninsula that Plato it named like Atlantic island or of Atlantis.

The translations of texts of the mentioned authors are guaranteed by the solid knowledge of the prestigious philologer Elvira Gangutia Elícegui, Professor of Investigation of the Department of Greco-Latin Philology of the Institute of Philology of the CSIC and co-author of the lexical Dictionary Greek-Spanish.

Diaz-Montexano it was noticed, it does or more than seven years, that all the translations of the dialogues of Plato of the Timaios and the Kritias were too liberal, adapted or interpretative. In most of the grammar translations of the diverse European and American classic schools of philology, than being translated more to Plato, it was interpreted to him, and this brought like consequence the edition of serious errors of interpretation that motivated, on the one hand, that the story of Plato seemed more incredible or mythical, whereas on the other hand, these same imprecision’s served as stimulus many fantasises and speculating writers, more interested in writing books of successes or basing esoteric ideologies that in looking for the truth.

If the first modern translators of Latin and Greek Plato's texts had worried to translate the texts adjusting the possible maximum to the own written words, to their true meaning etymologises and contextual, he is to say to translate metaphrastical and not to interpret on which he assumes that he meant Plato, because probably never so many fantasies would have been written and speculations on the Atlantis neither would have been tried to look for their rest by almost all the Earth corners, until in the absurd and remote points the more of “Columns of Hercules” or Straits of Gibraltar.

Between these errors of interpretation one is - in most of the translations that Atlantis was an enormous continent located beyond the Columns of Hercules in means of the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantis was not a continent but an island, was not "beyond" of the Columns of Hercules but ahead, together or near the own Columns, and one was not in means of the Ocean but in a sea, Straits or arm of sea that own the Plato it denominates with the name of Straits of the Columns of Hercules. The word the Ocean not even exists in the narration of the Atlantic-Gadi'rica civilization of Plato. And as far as the size of the island or peninsula Atlantis, Plato always talks about to the same one like a Nêsos that in Greek was used the same to denominate to the islands that to peninsulas, like for example the Peloponesos, that is a Greek peninsula.

Plato he does not say either that Atlantis were greater than Libya and Asia but that this was the greater island of Libya and the Asia, which is translated because the Atlantis island was the greater one, greatest, compared with the islands of Libya (the North territory and the northwest of Africa, from Morocco to Egypt) and with the islands of Asia (smaller Asia). Atlantis or Atlantis were because an island not a continent, and the dimensions that offer Plato of their plain, 3000 stages of East-West length by 2000 stages of latitude the north-south, are the same ones that offer other classic authors for the extension of the kingdom of Tartessós or the Turdetania. These measures, according to Plato, were those of the plain where was the Acropolis; a plain that watched at the southern part (the plain of the Bética?) whereas Mountain range was protected of northern winds by a mountain arc (?).

Theses this of Spain Real Chronics, Jose Pellicer de Osau y Tovar (S. XVII) and Spanish historian Francisco Fernández y González, (XIX-XX Centuries) and son Juan Fernández Amador y de los Ríos (1911), who went ahead to famous German investigator Adolf Schülten in the identification of the kingdom of Tartessós with the Plato's Atlantis, although lamentably, nowadays do not recognize such merits to them. After this region or it lines up main of king Atlas extended other nine regions of diverse dimensions, being main and the greatest one, the one of the great plain where one was the sacred Acropolis and the temple dedicated to the God Poseidôn and its Kleitos woman. This Acropolis was surrounded by five ring or concentric pits, alternated from the centre of the Acropolis in three of land and two of water of sea.

Resource:

A Geological Enigma: hypothesis. The Atlantis Island: An isthmus in Gibraltar?
The Scientific Expedition: http://www.atlantisdiscovery.com/news/atlantis_2b_01_16_2005.html

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posted October 19, 2009 08:40 PM            

I only have;
- Atlantis sq. Mars.
- Atlantis trine MC.
- Atlantis semi-sextile ASC.
- Atlantis semi-sq. Neptune.

Atlantis in Scorpio 7 degrees. Sabian, "Deep Sea Divers."

posted October 19, 2009 08:55 PM            

I only have;
- Atlantis sq. Mars.
- Atlantis trine MC.
- Atlantis semi-sextile ASC.
- Atlantis semi-sq. Neptune."

I would say that Atlantis trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis is significant.

I want to mention some stuff in Eleanor Kimmel's Cosmobiology book about the Midheaven. It will show how Midheaven is interpreted differently from mainstream Astrology. After all , Cosmobiology doesn't use houses. Therefore,Midheaven had no connection with 10th house at all.

page 148:
In general, astrologers agree that the Midheaven has a great deal to do with acquiring fame and success. The Midheaven is the place where the perpendicular plane of the meridian of the locality is crossed by the plane of the Sun's motion. This position in any chart refers to the authority and prominence, in particular to the career,the ego-consciousness and spiritual awareness, the aim in life and in the biological correspondence as Reinhold Ebertin describes, the brain proper. The position of the Midheaven has not been sufficiently utilized in the past.

In the Midheaven, all of the energies of the individual are brought together in a certain method. The Midheaven is not only the cusp of the tenth house, but also the point at which the real inner existence and spiritual direction in our lives is found.

In Cosmobiology, Midheaven has a more profound meaning.

I want to point out that the Midheaven isn't necessarily the cusp of the 10th house. This is definitely untrue when it comes to charts in the polar regions where the Midheaven and Ascendant can be in conjunction or in opposition as well as the Midheaven can be below the horizon to the point of the very bottom of the chart.

Raymond

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posted October 20, 2009 04:30 AM            

<<That is awesome IQ. Thanks for starting this thread. My Atlantis conjunct I/C in Virgo. Would the sabian of your Atlantis indicate the type of lifeline you had in Atlantis? Just curious. Thanks.>>

You are correct, the Sabian would give an idea about your Atlantis theme.

posted October 20, 2009 04:36 AM            

Your Alien DNA could be related to the Native American DNA as well. Your sister is one impressive girl to recall those lifelines.

This also means you both are Star Seeds. I suggest you both make a composite chart and see if your Atlantis aspects a Royal Fixed Star. I would also check for Asteroid HOPI or INCA aspecting Atlantis.

P.s: You both must practice psychic protection prior to Astral Projections.

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posted October 20, 2009 04:38 AM            

11.32 Pisces
"In The Sanctuary Of An Occult Brotherhood, Newly Initiated Members Are Being Examined And Their Character Tested."

I almost feel that the Karma trine Atlantis placement in my chart backs up my apriori vision that I shared with you.
>>

You are from the Souls called "Children of the Law of One". I feel you reincarnated at this point to help other souls prevent a recurrence of the Atlantean events, unlike chaps like me who compulsorily have to pay back karmic debts for sinking islands....

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posted October 20, 2009 05:45 AM            

IQ - You said to ViG

quote:

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You are from the Souls called "Children of the Law of One". I feel you reincarnated at this point to help other souls prevent a recurrence of the Atlantean events, unlike chaps like me who compulsorily have to pay back karmic debts for sinking islands....

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With my NN at this degree, how would that fit in?

posted October 20, 2009 05:56 AM              

Is that a coincidence?

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posted October 20, 2009 06:02 AM            

To read more about him checkout this website, its a great biography: http://www.crystalinks.com/edgar_cayce.html

It really is overwhelming intially there is so much there.
Has anyone ever been?
What did they think?

Theres physical readings for health, dream readings, predictions, but my favorite were the Atlantis ones. They spoke to my heart. And reminded me of how I got here...This particular one under Occult Atlantis Topics:
Reading Topic - OCCULT: ATLANTIS
TEXT OF READING 364-10, left me in tears. And my mind and Psychic senses have never been the same sense. If one can walk away from this, and not hear your souls frequency resonate with the word AT-LAN-TIS then maybe its not your song..curiously I learned there. The term "Atlantis" is from the old Finnish root/Rot language. It's within the name itself, the clue behind the Atlantis myth. So the earliest Finnish word "Atlantis" is pronounced such as this: At- Lant - Is (A Land Ice) -- A land of Ice. The Ice Age, The Northern Territory.
The word "People" comes from the same pre-historic Finnish root language meaning "pi" (plural of "me") and "pol" (pole). In other ways it means "people of the north pole".

I found that curious. Anywho:

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his home in Pinewood on Lake Drive, Virginia Beach, Va., this 28th day of April, 1932, in accordance with request made by those present.

P R E S E N T

Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Mildred Davis, H. L. & L. B. Cayce.

R E A D I N G Time of Reading 3:00 P. M.

1. GC: You will have before you the information given through this channel on the lost continent of Atlantis. You will please continue with this information, and answer the questions which I will ask regarding same.

2. EC: Yes. In understanding, then, in the present terminology, occult science, or psychic science - as seen, this was the natural or nature's activity in that experience, and not termed a science - any more than would be the desire for food by a new born babe. Rather the natural consequence. This explanation may of necessity take on some forms that may possibly be confusing at times, but illustrations may be made through the various types of occult science, or psychic manifestations, that may clarify for the student something of the various types of psychic manifestations in the present, as well as that that was natural in this period.

3. There is, as has been oft given, quite a difference - and much differentiation should be made - in mysticism and psychic, or occult science as termed today.

4. From that which has been given, it is seen that individuals in the beginning were more of thought forms than individual entities with personalities as seen in the present, and their projections into the realms of fields of thought that pertain to a developing or evolving world of matter, with the varied presentations about same, of the expressions or attributes in the various things about the entity or individual, or body, through which such science - as termed now, or such phenomena as would be termed - became manifest. Hence we find occult or psychic science, as would be called at the present, was rather the natural state of man in the beginning. Very much as (in illustration) when a baby, or babe, is born into the world and its appetite is first satisfied, and it lies sleeping. Of what is its dreams? That it expects to be, or that it has been? Of what are thoughts? That which is to be, or that which has been, or that which is? Now remember we are speaking - these were thought forms, and we are finding again the illustrations of same!

5. When the mental body (Now revert back to what you are calling science) - when the mental body, or mind, has had training, or has gone through a course of operations in certain directions, such individuals are called so-and-so minded; as one of an inventive turn, and trained; one of a statistician turn, and trained; one of a theologian turn, and trained; one of philosophical turn, and trained. Of what does the mind build? We have turned, then, to that that has become very material, for the mind constantly trained makes for itself MENTAL pictures, or makes for that as is reasoned with from its own present dimensional viewpoints - but the babe, from whence its reasoning? from whence its dream?

From that has been taken in, or that that has been its experience from whence it came? Oft has it been said, and rightly, with a babe's smile 'Dreaming of angels', and close in touch with them - but what has produced that dream? The contact with that upon which it has fed! Don't forget our premise now from which we are reasoning! and we will find that we will have the premise from which those individuals, or the entities, reasoned within the beginning in this land. (We are speaking of Atlanteans, when they became as thought forces.) From whence did they reason? From the Creative Forces from which they had received their impetus, but acted upon by the thought forms as were in material forms about them, and given that power (will) to be one with that from what it sprang or was given its impetus, or force, yet with the ability to USE that in the way that seemed, or seemeth, good or well, or pleasing, unto itself. Hence we find in this particular moulding or mouldive stage, that in which there was the greater development of, and use of, that as is termed or called psychic and occult forces, or science - in the present terminology, or age.

6. Illustrating, then, that as to how this was used by those entities, those beings, in the formative stage of their experience or sojourn among that as had been created in all of its splendor to supply every want or desire that might be called forth by that being, with all of its attributes physical, mental and spiritual at hand; for, as has been given, even unto the four hundred thousandth generation from the first creation was it prepared for man's indwelling. As we today (turn to today), we find there the developments of those resources. How long have they remained? Since the beginning! How long has man been able to use them for his undoing, or his pleasure, or for his regeneration? Since the knowledge of some source has awakened within its psychic force, or source, of the apparatus, or the form that it takes, either in a physical or mental (for remember, Mind is the Builder - and it moves along those channels through which, and by which, it may bring into existence in whatever dimension or sphere from which it is reasoning, or reasoning toward - see) - and as these may be illustrated in the present:

7. When there is a manifestation of a psychic force, or an occult action, or phenomena, or activity in, upon, of or for, an individual, there is then the rolling back, as it were, or a portion of the physical consciousness - or that mental trained individual consciousness - has been rolled aside, or rolled back, and there is then a visioning - To what? That as from the beginning, a projection OF that form that assumed its position or condition in the Earth as from the beginning, and with those so endowed with that as may be called an insight into psychic sources there may be visioned about a body its astral (if chosen to be termed), rather its thought body, as is projected from same in such a state; especially so when there is the induction, or the inducing of, an unconsciousness of the normal brain, or normal mental body.

Submerged - into what? Into the unconscious, or subconscious. Sub, in this instance, meaning below - not above normal; below - subjected to the higher consciousness, or to the higher thought, that has been builded - just as sure as has a physical body been builded, from what? That as has been given from its first nucleus as passed through in its experience. Then there may be visioned by such a body, as may be called with the second sight, or with a vision, that accompanying thought body of such an one, manifesting in much the way and manner as individuals in the Atlantean period of psychic and occult development brought about in their experience. Through such projections there came about that first necessity of the division of the body, to conform to those necessities of that as seen in its own mental vision as builded (mental now - Don't confuse these terms, or else you will become very confused in what is being given!).

8. The mental vision by its action upon what body is being builded? On the mental body of the individual in a material world, out of Spirit, out of the ability to have all the attributes of the spiritual or unseen forces - but materialized forces, as is necessary from the mental body in a material world mentally trained to, or in, certain directions, or given directions, or following the natural bent of its threefold or threeply body, as is seen in every individual or every entity. As these projected themselves, then we find these developments were in this portion of the development in the Atlantean period.

How were these used? In much as were from the beginning. Remember there was ever the instruction to those peoples that were to hold to that that would bring for the spiritual forces, rather than the abuses of the abilities - as those with familiar spirits, as those that spoke to or partook of the divinations of those that had passed from the earth's plane, or those that partook of the animal magnetism - that came from the universal consciousness of animal matter as passed into its experience, in its interchange through those periods of integration and disintegration - and the spirit forces possessing those that would lay themselves open to such conditions, for these are as real as physical bodies if the attunements of the entity are such that it may vision them! and they are about you always, sure!

These, then, are entities - sure; whether animal or those endowed with the soul - until they pass through those changes - as there ever has been, see? Also there are those that ever make for those channels in the psychic and occult (we are speaking of, through which man - as it reached that stage, or that position that it became farther and farther from its natural sources, through the same character of channel may it communicate with that from which it is a portion of, or the Creative Forces), and hence the terminology arose as 'Good Spirits' and 'Bad Spirits'; for there are those that partake of the earth, or of the carnal forces, rather than of those forces that are of the spiritual or creative.

Those that are destruction are of the Earth. Those that are constructive, then, are the good - or the divine and the devilish, bringing for those developments in their various phases. Hence the greater development of that called occult, or psychic forces, during the Atlantean period - and the use of same, and the abuse of same - was during its first thousand years, as we would call light years; not the light of the star, but the sun goes down and the sun goes down - years. That brought about those cycles, or those changes.

Hence we have that which has been given through many of the sources of information, or the channels for individuals - and in those, these, the entity - as a voice upon waters, or as the wind that moved among the reeds and harkened, or again as when the morning stars sang together and the sons of God beheld the coming of man into his own, through the various realms as were brought by the magnifying of, or the deteriorating of, the use of those forces and powers as manifested themselves in a material area, or those that partook of carnal to the gratification of that that brought about its continual hardening and less ability to harken back through that from which it came, and partaking more and more OF that upon which it became an eater of; or, as is seen even in the material forces in the present: We find those that partake of certain elements, unless these become very well balanced with all sources of what?

That of which there were the first causes, or nature, or natural, or God's sources or forces are. Hence elements - not rudiments; elements - as are termed in the terminology of the student of the anatomical, physiological, psychological forces within a body - GERMS! Sure they are germs! for each are as atoms of power - From what? That source from which it has drawn its essence upon what it feeds. Is one feeding, then, its soul? or is one feeding its body? or is one feeding that interbetween (its mental body) to its own undoing, or to those foolishnesses of the simple things of life? Being able, then, to partake OF the physical but not a part of same - but more and more feeding upon those sources from which it emanates itself, or of the spiritual life, so that the physical body, the mental body, are attuned to its soul forces, or its soul source, its Creator, its Maker, in such a way and manner, as it develops.

9. What, then, is psychic force? What IS occult science? A developing of the abilities within each individual that has not lost its sonship, or its relation to its Creator, to live upon - or demonstrate more and more through phenomena of whatever nature from which it takes its source, for that individual activity of that entity itself through the stages of development through which it has passed, and giving of its life source that there may be brought into being that which gives more knowledge of the source from which the entity essence (Isn't a good word, but signifies that intended to be expressed; not elements, not rudiments, but essence of the entity itself, its spirit and soul - its spirit being its portion of the Creator, its soul that of its entity itself, making itself individual, separate entity, that may be one with the Creative Force from which it comes - or which it is! of which it is made up, in its atomic forces, or in its very essence itself!) emanates; and the more this may be manifest, the greater becomes the occult force.

10. To what uses, then, did these people in this particular period give their efforts, and in what directions were they active? As many almost as there were individuals! for, as we find from the records as are made, to some there was given the power to become the sons of God; others were workers in brass, in iron, in silver, in gold; others were made in music, and the instruments of music. These, then, we find in the world today (Today, now - we are reasoning from today). Those that are especially gifted in art - in its various forms; and a real artist (as the world looks at it) isn't very much fit for anything else! yet it is - What? An expression of its concept of that from which it, that entity, sprang - through the various stages of its evolution (if you choose to call it such) in a material world, or that which it fed its soul or its mental being for its development through its varied experiences in a material world. These, then, are but manifestations (occult forces) in individuals who are called geniuses, or gifted in certain directions.

11. These, then, are the manners in which the entities, those beings, those souls, in the beginning partook of, or developed. Some brought about monstrosities, as those of its (that entity's) association by its projection with its association with beasts of various characters. Hence those of the Styx, satyr, and the like; those of the sea, or mermaid; those of the unicorn, and those of the various forms - these projections of what?

The abilities in the psychic forces (psychic meaning, then, of the mental and the soul - doesn't necessarily mean the body, until it's enabled to be brought into being in whatever form it may make its manifestation - which may never be in a material world, or take form in a three-dimensional plane as the earth is; it may remain in a fourth-dimensional - which is an idea!

Best definition that ever may be given of fourth-dimension is an idea! Where will it project? Anywhere! Where does it arise from? Who knows! Where will it end? Who can tell! It is all inclusive! It has both length, breadth, height and depth - is without beginning and is without ending! Dependent upon that which it may feed for its sustenance, or it may pass into that much as a thought or an idea. Now this isn't ideal that's said! It's idea! see?)

12. In the use of these, then, in this material plane - of these forces - brought about those that made for all manners of the various forms that are used in the material world today. many of them to a much higher development. As those that sought forms of minerals - and being able to be that the mineral was, hence much more capable - in the psychic or occult force, or power - to classify, or make same in its own classifications.

Who classified them? They were from the beginning! They are themselves! They were those necessities as were in the beginning from an all wise Creator! for remember these came, as did that as was to be the keeper of same! The husbandman of the vineyard! Each entity, each individual - today, has its own vineyard to keep, to dress - For who? Its Maker, from whence it came! What is to be the report in thine own life with those abilities, those forces, as may be manifest in self - through its calling upon, through what?

How does prayer reach the throne of mercy or grace, or that from which it emanates? From itself! Through that of crucifying, nullifying, the carnal mind and opening the mental in such a manner that the Spirit of truth may flow in its psychic sense, or occult force, into the very being, that you may be one with that from which you came! Be thou faithful unto that committed into thy keeping! Life itself is precious! For why? It is of the Maker itself!

That IS the beginning! The psychic forces, the attunements, the developments, going to that! As did many in that experience. And Enoch walked with God, and he was not for God took him. As was many of those in those first years, in this land, this experience.

13. These in the present, then, do not justly call it science; rather being close to nature. Listen at the birds. Watch the blush of the rose. Listen at the life rising in the tree. These serve their Maker - Through what? That psychic force, that is Life itself, in their respective sphere - that were put for the service of man. Learn thine lesson, O Man, from that about thee!

posted October 20, 2009 06:02 AM            

hey count me in for 11 Pisces. I have Jupiter there, which is my chartruler. Oh and it is squaring Atlantis. lol

IQ,

my Atlantis is
conjunct Mars (4)
square Jupiter (3)
conjunct Neptune (1)
sextile Pluto (0)
conjunct NN (2)
conjunct ASC (1)
conjunct Angel (1)
conjunct Lust (1)
quinkunx Lucifer (2)
trine Giza (2)
square Horus (0)
square Hekate (0)
square Ceres (1)
square Pholus (2)
sextile Pallas (2)

The Sabian is:
A Mother Leads Her Small Child Step By Step Up A Steep Stairway

What does that say about a potential life in Atlantis?

Glaucus,

posted October 20, 2009 06:17 AM            

Hi DD,
You could have been a Spiritual Being descended to Atlantis to learn the effects of Physical Love and Sacrifice for true love devloping due to physical love. You may have taken part in the breeding/hybridization program as well.

Hi ORBM,
We 3 musketeers multicomposite Atlantis aspects will be quite intriguing

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