posted October 26, 2009 02:10 PM         

I'll delete in a couple of days

It feels like Uranus energy to me (mixed with some Neptune and Pluto) ... well between us anyway.

We talk about Uranus'y things, but then again we have Moon conj. ASC in Aqua. Only two weeks ago we were chatting about 'Aquarian' issues.. he was going to get some info on the local dog haven for me so I could do some work for them (he knows ppl there apparently) and he loves to help out with volunteer work, like I do.

posted October 26, 2009 02:19 PM         

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posted October 26, 2009 02:35 PM         

thanks for that, it is reassuring, even if it means that we aren't meant to be together.

When I bumped into him (literally walked into him) two days after he said not to contact him or that other girl, he said "hey how's it going!" like nothing was wrong (HUH?! This is one thing I will never ever understand lol he did this after we broke up too.. acted the same and all cheerful and happy like a golden retriever! ). I did a 180 and walked straight out the door, without a word. I can't help but think he planned that as he organised for the meeting to be held at the same place and same time I have my break every day out of the whole university. He works in a different building as of this month, so why he didn't hold it somewhere else, I don't know. Just seemed strange to me. So, if we have an encounter again I have to be all happy and chirpy.. well hopefully the space (months of it) between us will help with that.

posted October 26, 2009 02:42 PM         

it's connected to the transneptunians

His Heliocentric Sedna Nodes are in 24'05 Leo/Aquarius

so his Moon in 24'51 Aquarius conjunct the South Sedna Node and oppose the North Lunar Node,and his Mercury in 23'50 Taurus square the heliocentric Sedna Nodes

That's more pronounced than Sedna conjunct Moon and square Mercury.

Sedna is the dwarf planet candidate named after the Inuit Goddess of the Oceans/Seas and Underworld.

It is the object with greatest average distance and longest orbital period around the Sun.

Here are some keywords for Sedna,

according to Philip Sedgwick:

Sedna - She is the first body to bear the mythology of the arctic's Inuit culture. Orbital Period: 11,013.05 yr.

Positive - a forgiving disposition, discernment, clarity of perception, recognition of free will and choice, responsible, conscious of consequence, far thinking, dharma-oriented, does the homework of life

Negative - victimization, abuse, being deceived, history of betrayal, bitterness, “gold digging” attitude in relationship, transfers blame to others, numbs out, goes unconscious

Mundane - blubber, products made from sea mammals, whaling, diving bells that go into the dark of the sea, emotional healing, forgiveness, sorrow, engagement, masks, flight of the birds

Ceremonial - cleansing in the sea, propitiation to the sea, sea creatures, use of sea creature talismans (walrus tusk carvings, scrimshaw), ceremony with masks of sea creatures, ceremonial masks in general

according to Roy MacKinnon who has Sun conjunct Sedna within 1 degree himself:

Victim, sacrifice sometimes unavoidable: transformation of victimhood – losses, possibly emotional, in mundane house where Sedna is, particularly if afflicted: inevitable fate – destiny: not of this world – worlds in collision – not of this culture, not of this time: uncovering that which is hidden, remote, unseen: concealed and acting unseen in an inky blackness: search for new knowledge in an alien world: issues around preservation of that which is untouched, essential, numinous: purposeful activity fuelled by a burning inner spiritual drive not of the personality: superconscious perception which incorporates a multi-dimensional mystical universe: far-sighted intelligence: misperception of reality – delusional, self-deception: release of soul to the world of spirit in the process of dying: psychic/mediumistic – this world connected to the other: the suffering of the unloved, outcast, sick, homeless, limbless: Noah's ark – preservation of what would otherwise become extinct: buried alive – entombed: Thy Will, not my will: essence not personality: preservation of nature and ecosystems: receptive to a spiritual calling from afar: the power of water: in this world but not of it.

There is a possibility that he could have been victimized,betrayed by females in the past (in the present and/or pastlives) with Moon being the planet associated with women.

His Sun-Jupiter oppose Neptune indicates a high degree of sensitivity as well as confusion involving others as well as the ego,self expression. Transneptunian dwarf planet, Haumea in 14'07 Virgo is the apex of t-square with it for it squares that opposition. So Haumea puts more emphasis on sensitivity. With it being a transneptunian,Haumea aspect suggest more sensitivity than Neptune aspect.

so his Gemini Sun is modified quite a bit
Jupiter conjunct his Sun is like having Sun in Sagittarius
Neptune oppose his Sun is like having Sun in Pisces.
the transneptunian dwarf planet Varuna square the Sun has a great depth,sensitivity,subtlety

Haumea is named after the Hawaiian fertility/creation goddess

according to Philip Sedgwick:

Orbital Period: 285.31 yr., with two moons, Hi'iaka and Namaka., 3rd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), orbital period w/Moon about 3.9 hours, cigar shaped object because of fast rotational period, 1200 km diameter? Hawaiian creation goddess.

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.

People with strong Transneptunian influences are very hard to pin down,nonconformist,otherworldly,and can be very secretive.

His Moon conjunct Neptune/Sedna midpoint with 1 minute of arc, and that also suggests an unusually high degree of sensitivity and just adds to the theme of his Moon conjunct heliocentric South Sedna Node.

He has that exact Venus-Mars conjunction and its exactly conjunct his Uranus/Node midpoint!
that indicates his passionate love nature,relationships involve unusual,unpredictable associations/connections. so yeah, his love nature,sexual attractions can be unpredictable.

His Node conjunct Venus/Eris midpoint with 22 minutes of arc suggests that connections,associations involving diverse/controversial love/relationships.

his Uranus in Scorpio in 7th can also indicate unpredictable relationships
(using whole sign house system)

Raymond

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posted October 26, 2009 02:56 PM         

It's very hard to let go and I hurt more without him (even though it was hurting me to be with him due to the circumstance). At this point though, I don't see him woo-ing me, but at the same time, I don't understand.. if he really loved this other girl (they have known each other for a decade) then why, when they finally get together, would he keep a relationship with me going?

You were right about him being interested being a 7 Gemini born in 77 too... it was HIM who eventually opened up to me about that ... too bad I didn't get to show him the reading as he was actually very interested in this as of only a couple of weeks ago. He knew it was a soulmates report too. (which makes this even more baffling to me as to his actions).

This could be a bit much to put out there, but it's in my mind and I don't mind being judged.
But the whole 'don't contact me or this girl' (he didnt call her this girl lol) I feel was due to him acting for her. I did pop over to see him to drop some stuff of he had asked for and didn't know she was over at his house. His whole demeanour was different and it was as if she had ordered him to get 'rid' of me like I was a bad smell , and he later said that I had made her cry by being there! (he also didn't tell her about me either.. when I questioned why he was acting strange and did she know we still saw each other, he said she 'knew that we had to sometimes talk at work' when in reality it was that we spent every break together and talked often after hours as well as during work hours over MSN, which is why I think she thinks I am a weirdo obsessed ex). So yeah. That's what kind of motivated me to tell her what was going on as well. It wasn't at all in a 'stay away from him' manner, it was a 'this is what has happened, it appears he has been lying to us' letter.

Sorry, it's a complex situation, and there's lots of facets that haven't even been touched yet lol I'm trying to be brief though

Back to the question at hand.. I guess I'll just let sleeping dogs lie and see what happens in future, get on with life, and go from there.

posted October 26, 2009 03:21 PM         

Someone I work with, who has known him for about 10 years, said to me that the way he is acting 'is not him' it's his Ego. He kept telling me this. I don't know why my work colleague kept saying that, and that I should at least try and be friends with him.

Using the whole house system my Saturn is in his 7th.
I think, that would mean his Saturn is in my 7th too. (they are both in each other's 6th house otherwise).

Also I knew he was quite sensitive, in that he picks up on everything around him like people's moods, feelings (but that means he can use it to his advantage). He read Sun Tsu (however it's spelled!) Art of War and said that was very good for manipulating people, well to get to where you want to be in the workplace. He advised that I should read that, and I will one day! I don't like to manipulate people though.
Secretive, extremely. I am the complete opposite But he did reveal something to me that he said he had only told 5 other people in his life.. anyway, that was before we even got together! (a few weeks after we first met!).

Not sure about love nature/sexual attractions being unpredictable, unless that means.. umm oh gosh this may sound terrible.. but a lot of people couldn't understand on a physical level anyway, why he would choose her over me. I don't know if that had anything to do with why he kept up the relationship with me or not.

posted October 26, 2009 03:25 PM         

keeping it simple by just looking at the regular stuff

transiting Neptune has been in separating conjuncting his Moon which indicate emotional boundaries are more porous leading to increased emotional sensitivity but also the possibility of confusion,deception,illusion involving the emotional nature as well as women. It also separinating square his Mercury which indicate mental boundaries are more porous leading to increased mental sensivity but also the possibility of confusion,deception,illusion involving the thought processes,communications.
Transiting Neptune applying trine his North Lunar Node can indicate inspirational,sensitive,idealistic connections of some kind.

Transiting Saturn is in the last degree of Virgo in his 5th house and will soon enter his Libra 6th house. That can indicate that seriousness involving romance are coming to a close,being wrapped as he starts to have serious focus on routine,organization,and health.

Transiting Sun is in his Scorpio 7th house,and so relationship matters are highlighted. It will conjunct his Uranus next week, and so can highlight the unpredictable,unsual in his relationships.

Transiting retrograde Uranus in his 11th sextile/trine Ascendant/Descendant axis with 33 minutes of arc applying in indicates changes in his friendships that effect his personal interactions with others,relationships. a time for changes,independence that involves his self and relationships.

In secondary progressions:

His Secondary progressed Moon is in the last degree of Aries which indicates his emotional nature has progressed into being more independent,fiery,impulsive but also could be selfish,aggressive impatient.
The Secondary progressed Moon is in last degree 12th house, and that can indicate the emotional nature,women in his life involved the hidden,secrets. There is a possibility of deception,illusion,and confusion. especially with the transiting Neptune conjunct his Moon.
When the Moon progresses into Taurus in his 1st,there is possibility of feeling the need of stability and security and being upfront about that.

his Secondary progressed Mars is squaring his Moon with 44 minutes of arc applying,and that just adds to the case of his secondary progressed Moon in Aries. That's like a double whammy of sorts.

It can be hard for him to get along with women because of his wanting to do his own thing and aggressiveness.

Secondary progressed Mars is conjuncting his Mercury with 16 minutes separating, and that can indicate a time of passionate communications which can lead to impatience and arguments.

interestingly, secondary progressed Saturn is exact to the minute sextile to his Sun in 2nd which indicates possibility of reality checks involving his ego,self expressions in areas of security,self worth.

I also checked solar arc:
30 minutes of arc applying
30 minutes of arc separating

SA Node square Natal Neptune - '03 separating
associations,connections that are inspirational,idealistic,sensitive but also can be involved in illusion,deception,confusion

SA Ascendant square Natal Uranus separating
this indicate personal,relationship changes as being more independent,unpredictable.

It seems that changes in relationships were bound to take place, especially when you consider transiting Uranus in his 11th sextile/trine his Ascendant descendant axis. He has Uranus in 7th.

SA Midheaven square Natal Pluto - '04 applying
indicates the aim of life,life objectives,career involves intensity,transformation,and regeneration.
It indicates major changes going on in him.

Raymond

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posted October 26, 2009 03:50 PM         

transiting Uranus squaring his progressed Ascendant with 20 minutes of arc separating.
That adds to the cases of changes,unpredictable in his life,relationships,environment as well as as independence. That seems to mimic the Solar Arc Ascendant square his Natal Uranus.

transiting Pluto squaring his progressed Midheaven with 4 minutes of arc separating. That adds to the case of the intensity,transformation,regeneration as well as major in his life. That seems to mimic the Solar Arc Midheaven square his Natal Pluto.

I pay attention to repeating themes.

Transiting Neptune is trining his Secondary progressed Ascendant with 7 minutes of arc applying. That can indicate a time of being more inspirational,idealistic,sensitive,, especially with others. It can involve his environment and relationships.

where did he have his last Solar Return?
I want to check out his Solar Return chart.
I see Sun square Saturn less

It looks like has Sun-Moon opposition square Saturn in the Solar Return chart. Sun oppose Moon could indicate having differences,conflict in relationship that require balancing things out. With Saturn square that opposition, there can be restrictions,limitations,hardships with relationships,women.

Raymond

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posted October 26, 2009 03:59 PM         

Independence. I just put that down to his Aqua moon X) Transits could indicate possibly not wanting to get tied down right now.

posted October 26, 2009 09:26 PM         

To be honest I was thinking its a 50/50 chance on this, just because it can be rally hard to get Gem's back.

But, then I thought that he might come back given if he has a more sensitive nature as Glaucus sugested, and his Venus In Taurus placement.

If he is really convinced your the one I think he'll be stuburn to stay because of his Venus In Taurus.

But, I'm not him so I can't really say and of course don't chase he'll have to come to you.

posted October 27, 2009 07:46 AM         

A few months ago I put the wheels in motion for all this change that's going on around me right now and now I can't actually stop it, but that's a good thing in that I don't have time to stop my life and be upset over what has happened.

After reading everyone's replies I feel so much better about moving on with my life and leaving it up to fate. I still feel sad that I've lost him ... but I guess it came to a point where the game playing had to stop one way or another as it was taking an emotional toll on me (especially once my suspicions were confirmed that he was in fact in a 'sort of' relationship with her), and it took me telling the truth for that to happen. In all honesty once I'd sent the message it was a weight off my shoulders not the least because I don't like to be or see other people getting 'played'. In my opinion he's 'chosen' to be with the other girl, well I kind of forced it on him didn't I by sending that note to her - what other choice did he have but to get c rappy at me? - but whatever happens there, happens. I said to him that I didn't want to get caught up with that and he should sort his stuff out with her, to which he wasn't too pleased about with the 'why can't we still be best mates?' answer I got and constant contact when I tried to cut it off as best as I could given that I still love him. It Is SO hard to reject someone you adore, regardless of how they have treated you. But I don't really want to know what happens between them to be honest. So I did try and cut communication civilly, honestly and blatantly - I always gave him a reason for why I needed this. I knew he'd be upset I sent the message to her, so really it was a twofer or even a threefer - he stops talking to me because he is annoyed (though I underestimated HOW annoyed he'd be) and althoguh I didn't want him to be annoyed at me it stopped me from getting hurt from not being able to get away from him (but I didn't realise how much I would get hurt by doing it this way!), the other girl knows the truth, and it's a big weight off my shoulders as well that there's no more deception going on with anyone. If she chooses to dismiss that he cheated on her, then that's her deal.

The one thing I did do .. which I am so happy I did... was when I entered this relationship I made a concious decision to make sure I kept up with friends and hobbies. I have a habit of falling into the trap of planning non-relationship things around 'our' time when I am in relationships. This has helped me immensely in the last few months with trying to get on with life.

Like Lucia and others said, what is best for me (and for getting a Gem back too lol) is to actually NOT want him back or try to get him back, genuinely. So it's a bit of a catch 22. But, unfortunately I am the kind of person who, once I have made my mind up, then it's done. Finito. But I'll heed what iQ has said if that situation ever comes about.

I'll write the letter, but I won't send it.. it'll make me feel better at least

posted October 27, 2009 08:52 AM         

that's possible

where did he have his last solar return?
I wanted to check out his solar return chart

Raymond

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posted October 27, 2009 09:48 AM         

if you are happy about yourself and the life you have ( without being in any romantic relationship)....one way or another someone might appear in the time right ( wether it is him or not) cause it is by loving yourself,that you will spread the right energy.

posted October 27, 2009 09:09 PM         

I'm coming to that realisation and trying very hard to appreciate my lot in life. I know this is how the universe works, it's just so hard to put into practice!

Raymond, his last solar return was in Perth as well, as were the last few ones!