posted October 28, 2009 10:44 PM            

Here goes:

SECTION 1.
THE COMPARISSON of Individuals

1. Synastry Chart
What is the Potential Compatibility of two people based on who they were at birth (BLUEPRINT)?

2. Progressed Synastry **
What is the Potential Compatibility of two people based on who the individuals are NOW/future?

3. Draconic Synastry
What is the Potential Destiny/Life Path Compatibility of two people based on who they were at birth (BLUEPRINT)?

4. Progressed Draconic Synastry **
What is the Potential Destiny/Life Path Compatibility of two people based on who they are NOW/future?

**chart can’t be generated on astro.com so manual comparisons have to be done of draconic charts and progressed charts respectively. (Or I can't find the chart)

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SECTION 2.
THE DYNAMICS of the Union.

1. Composite Chart
What are the overall Potential Dynamics of the Union?

2. Progressed Composite Chart
What are the Potential Dynamics of the Union based on the current situation/future?

3. Draconic Composite Chart
What is the overall Potential Destiny/direction of the Union?

4. Progressed Draconic Composite Chart
What is the Potential Destiny of the Union based on the NOW/future?

5. Transits to Composite chart
-for predictive purposes

6. Transits to Progressed Composite Chart
-for predictive purposes

Transits to the composite charts to be used together, the progressed composite transits as the trigger for the normal composite chart. Look to both chart to determine psychological or physical events that might occur in the Union. (points 5. and 6. are still under construction)

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SECTION 3.
1. Comparison of NATALS to COMPOSITES
Is the individual compatible with the Union in its totality?

2. Comparison of NATALS to PROGRESSED COMPOSITES
Is the individual compatible with the current/short-term/future state of the Union?

3. Comparison of NATALS to DRACONIC COMPOSITES
Is the individual compatible with the overall destiny/direction of the Union?

4. Comparison of NATALS to PROGRESSED DRACONIC COMPOSITES
Is the individual compatible with the current/short-term/future destiny/direction of the Union?

4. Comparison of NATALS to DRACONICS
Is one individual compatible with the other’s destiny/direction in life?

5. Comparison of NATALS to PROGRESSED DRACONIC
Is one individual compatible with the other’s current/short term destiny/direction in life?

6. Comparison of NATALS to PROGRESSED
Is one individual compatible with the current/short-term/future situation of the other person?

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Requirements:

Section 1:
1. A synastry chart of the two people
2. A progressed chart for each person to compare
3. A draconic synastry chart of the two people
4. A progressed draconic chart for each person to compare

Section 2:
1. A composite chart of the two people
2. A progressed composite chart of the two people
3. A draconic composite chart of the two people
4. A progressed draconic composite chart for the two people

Section 3:
1. A natal chart for each person
2. A draconic chart for each person
3. A progressed draconic chart for each person
4. A composite chart of the two people
5. A progressed composite chart of the two people
6. A draconic composite chart of the two people
7. A progressed draconic composite chart for the two people

TOTAL CHART TYPES REQUIRED:
1. A natal chart for each person
2. A draconic chart for each person
3. A progressed chart for each person
4. A synastry chart of the two people
5. A draconic synastry chart of the two people
6. A progressed draconic chart for each person
7. A composite chart of the two people
8. A progressed composite chart of the two people
9. A draconic composite chart of the two people
10. A progressed draconic composite chart for the two people

*I get OCD when I haven't slept... excuse any errors*

posted October 29, 2009 05:07 PM            

pire~ do you mean the Venus Return chart, and to compare the Venus charts of two people? And if so, would we want to know how the two people's dating "styles" will relate for that Venus cycle?

That's a good idea, for sure.

posted October 29, 2009 09:57 PM            

Well, if the person doesn't know what they are doing, they would use those comparisons as a way to tell them how compatible with the other person, but that list is more directed to finding answers to specific situations.

For example, just because my Natal chart seems compatible with another's Draconic chart, doesn't necessarily mean that our relationship will be compatible in the NOW. Also, just because our synastry is good doesn't mean that we could make it happen now or even later. So, these charts when used "properly" tell a story, and each chart is a chapter of that story. So, maybe the beginning is good, and the middle bad but with a mediocre ending. I suspect that these charts when done with that in mind, can tell whether unions are for a season or a lifetime, and for whatever duration, they can also tell the themes at play.

Therefore, if a person is going to take these charts to see compatibility only, they would be mislead. This is more about looking at how things play out, compatible or not. The compatibility would only be beneficial to me to see whether I should carry on looking at more charts. For example, if I saw a weak synastry, I wouldn't bother looking at all those other charts.

There are predictive charts and comparisons in this mix to give a full bodied reading if a person wanted to go that far.

posted October 29, 2009 10:41 PM            

If I were doing a synastry (of me and someone I am not yet with) and it looked bad between me and this other person, I wouldn't bother with the other charts. That's just me.

Why?

Because, that's when the lines between reality and wishes get blurred, when I start looking at how it "might" end, basically concerning myself with things I don't feel I have to concern myself with. But, if we are already in a union, or if we had to be in a partnership (e.g. business), then I would probably look at progressed charts, but I would only look into those if I have something to work with, or something I have to work with. I'm not that curious. lol

posted October 30, 2009 02:48 AM            

I also think that it is important to see each chart in relation to the question it answers.

Also, I definitely trust in progressed synastry for theNOW, but we also have to be aware that progressions will end someday (unless they are perpetual progressions), and what remains will be the natal charts.
Even though I think that we alsohave to keep an eye on transits as triggers ofnatal synastry or progressed synastry.

posted October 30, 2009 04:10 AM            

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I also think that it is important to see each chart in relation to the question it answers.

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Of vital importance! Otherwise this list becomes pointless. It is why I am being so @nal about what questions the chart would need to answer in my responses.

A person can compare her lunar return chart with another's solar return chart for example, and get some connections, but what do these connections tell us? Compatibility as well, like the synastry? Surely not! Those two charts would have to answer another question that natal/natal comparison doesn't answer. So, when we compare these charts, we must have a more specific purpose to reading these charts (not just "do we get along?" or worse, using natal vs. natal as a predictive tool to ask, "will we last" when it probably won't answer that at all.)

I think that reading a chart without a purpose, but with only the purpose of finding harmonious aspects, is fruitless. I mean, why bother? So, you have Mars conjunct Venus in a natal vs. composite comparison. Do you have the same connection in the natal vs. natal comparison. If not, what does this tell us? And this is where all of this came from - each chart comparison tells a different story and gives different answers for this reason. The different stories are the different facets of one's life throughout time, i.e. past, present and future.

So, after seeing many instances where people are looking at all these different chart comparisons for the same answers, I felt that something was missing. We can't have all these different types of charts, which bear different results (one chart with stressful aspects and the other with harmonious aspects) if all these charts are telling us of compatibility only, if these charts are telling the same story.

posted October 30, 2009 05:29 AM            

it is like you looked into my mind and put my thoughts into words. I absolutely agree. 100%.

Actually, I have started to look at the transits (0-1 degree orb only) at a particular day and event in relation to these charts.

What does it say, that the transiting Sun is conjunct my Draco Saturn and progressed Draco Destinn?
Well, nothing in terms of relationships or events or physical things happeneing.

Yet, it might be an important day in terms of my inner evolvement or even lifepath.

This is even more enhanced if Ilook at the Sabian of my Draconic position of Dr Saturn and pr Dr Destinn, which is 6-7 Scorpio: Deep Sea divers.

posted October 30, 2009 05:42 AM            

I absolutely think you are right.

This list is a Gem and it will be helpful in interpreting the charts, as you have thee questions as guidelines.

Also,whenever I hear the words "meant to be..",my mind adds the question: "meant to be what?" automatically.

posted October 30, 2009 06:03 AM            

Probably an ideal situation would be, having strong synastry and strong progressed synastry with a good composite, so the attraction / compatibility of character could be expressed in a relationship.

posted October 30, 2009 06:04 AM            

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What does it say, that the transiting Sun is conjunct my Draco Saturn and progressed Draco Destinn?
Well, nothing in terms of relationships or events or physical things happening.

Yet, it might be an important day in terms of my inner evolvement or even lifepath.

This is even more enhanced if Ilook at the Sabian of my Draconic position of Dr Saturn and pr Dr Destinn, which is 6-7 Scorpio: Deep Sea divers.

I guess it would be an interesting day in a psychological sense, but not so much in terms of things happening on the outside.
Would you agreè? Or did I fail to see something?

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Although I haven't thought about this in any length, because I was dealing with comparisons involving two people and not so much the individual chart and what it signifies for one person... I am probably unable to say much on it.

I will say though that transits are like a synastry of the day's chart vs. the person's natal/progressed chart, etc. With that in mind, the transits upon one chart type seem hardly sufficient to tell much regarding what would happen, especially whether it would happen physically or psychologically.

That is why they say that charts must reinforce each other to see whether something physical (on the outside) will happen. For example, since there is a transit affecting your Saturn in the Draconic Chart, is Saturn aspected by a transit in the natal also, but more importantly is Saturn affected by a transit on the progressed chart since this reflects what is happening now? Then, from there we can speculate and make educated guesses that something might manifest in physical form.

But, I must say that I am inclined to think the same, that something that affects your draconic is more psychological or even subconscious and not yet felt in the NOW, something that affects or changes your destiny and life path might occur, something that doesn't influence the NOW as yet.

Of course, I am guessing. Anyway, this transit could signify something that might affect your relationships, but just not right now.

posted October 30, 2009 06:30 AM            

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I wonder if the progressed charts / synastry are maybe even more intense for the compatibility or lack thereof than the natal charts?
Like the progressed aspects can "overlay" and maybe even modify the interaction, signified in the blueprint of the natal charts?

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I wonder also.

This is how I see it.

I think that for the overall workings of a relationship, it is not sufficient that only the natal/natal comparisons are considered. I see the natal chart as who we are, YES, but through time, experience and free will, the individual adopts new methods of being, and drops a few methods of being which do not serve the individual anymore. What is left from the adopting and dropping is surely the progressed chart, no? For example, my natal says that I am a a Cancer Moon conjunct My Midheaven, and yes... this is who I am, but through circumstance I might have chosen to override that blueprint and express my Moon in a new way which better serves me today.

So, with that said, Natal and progressed charts and comparisons are both important because they are both me. One could be termed as a latent me (natal), while the other is the kinetic me (progressed). So, although I can choose to express myself in any way I choose, in any way that I can - the natal represents what comes or came easily to me initially.

I am just speculating of course, freestyling...

posted October 30, 2009 07:21 AM            

"Then, from there we can speculate and make educated guesses that something might manifest in physical form."
Yes, I agree.

I also wanted to add that I think we have to consider the nature of the chart. Transits will probably trigger expressions on the level, that is determined by the charttype.

What I mean is, that transits to Draconic planets might be felt on a more psychological level, while transits to tropical might be more easy to spot.
And maybe the most prominent things will happen if there is a strong progression to a tropical natal placement, which is triggered by a transit.

That would be true for synastry as well as natal charts. And it gives us a method to see with (almost) one glance, where the REALLY hot spots are right now.

"urse, I am guessing. Anyway, this transit could signify something that might affect your relationships, but just not right now. "
Well, I was checking this against a composite with some guy. And it happens that Composite Mars falls exactly onto this placement (c-Kaali is opposing it).

Let me just theoretically interprete that:

So we have TRANSIT SUN conjunct COMPOSITE MARS (and opposite COMPOSITE KAALI), conjunct my DRACO SATURN and PROGRESSED DRACO DESTINN, while he has nothing on 7 Scorpio or Taurus.

It tells an interesting story I think.

It means that I am subconscously, subtly affected by the composite Mars. Draco Saturn here may be a blocking factor. As if I am saying: "Stop. Not so fast.", indicating some reservations or problems when it comes to the Mars-side of the relationship. It could mean that there is a hesitancy in myself towards the energetic side of the relationship, even the sexual side (especially in Scorpio, with Kaali opposing that point).
Of course since that is a Draco placement, it could be a "relict", remaining from a past life experience (not necessarily with him), and maybe I would not actually consciously say: NO, but FEEL a certain uncertainty or reservation here.

And now with progressed DR Destinn here, this scenario, that theme becomes more prominent in my psychological state. The Transiting Sun may ILLUMINATE this now.

It`s like those aspects lay dormant, and then a progressed planet AND transiting planet comes and sais: "Showtime. Show me what you`ve got. It`s time."

Interstingly, he doesn`t have any planets on this degrees, so he would be probably completely unaffected by this; either unaware of my struggle or observing it and kind of saying: "WHAT is your problem?"

Just an example how I would analyse such an aspect, spanning over several charttypes.

posted October 30, 2009 07:30 AM            

"I think that for the overall workings of a relationship, it is not sufficient that only the natal/natal comparisons are considered."
Agree.

"So, with that said, Natal and progressed charts and comparisons are both important because they are both me. One could be termed as a latent me (natal), while the other is the kinetic me (progressed)."
I agree again. How boring.

"Now, back to your point. Yes, progressed can modify but not your essence though."
Yes.

I was thinking what is the difference between relationships:

a) based on great progressed synastry (whatever "great" means)

b) based on great natal synastry.

a)I was thinking that the progressed aspects may kick in more quickly, more instantly (as they are so much on the forefront and the now), but if there is a lack of good natal synastry, they don´t touch the partner`s essence.

b) this might show that the essence, the core personality of two people are very compatible, but would they even get into a relationship, without a trigger in the NOW? (as the natal synastry is more dormant, or sleeping)

YET if they do (form a relationship), it might have a greater depth than a relationship, based on the progressed charts alone. Or maybe, more depth, is not right, but it would have a chance of more longevity, as these traits will never change, whereas progressions will fizzle out sometime.

And how does the composite figure in?
Well, maybe the synastry is just indicative of the compatibility or attraction-factor, but that doesn`t mean that people can have a stable relationship and live together. Maybe that is when the composite comes into play and of course the comparision of natal to composite (do I even LIKE the relationship I am, its dynamic? Let`s say the composite has Venus-Mars-conjunction in SCorpio - oh all that passion. But do I want this passion at all?)

posted October 30, 2009 08:18 AM            

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What I mean is, that transits to Draconic planets might be felt on a more psychological level, while transits to tropical might be more easy to spot.

And maybe the most prominent things will happen if there is a strong progression to a tropical natal placement, which is triggered by a transit.

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You and many other astrologers think this way. As I said, I can't say much on transits to individual charts just yet because I have not thought of it in depth, but this seems to be what most agree upon.

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a)I was thinking that the progressed aspects may kick in more quickly, more instantly (as they are so much on the forefront and the now), but if there is a lack of good natal synastry, they don´t touch the partner`s essence.

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I really, really like this!!
I can definitely see this as being a high probability. This, as you mention as well, may be the cause of those really good relationships that are fleeting... those that are for a season.

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b) this might show that the essence, the core personality of two people are very compatible, but would they even get into a relationship, without a trigger in the NOW? (as the natal synastry is more dormant, or sleeping)

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Yes! Like a relationship with great potential but which requires a kickstart (good progressed chart) to allow the union to begin. Maybe, the relationships with great synastry that do not begin are due to a lack of that 'starter', that push in the right direction which a progressed chart could offer. This could manifest through bad timing, lack of confidence and many other things that might just make the timing of the relationship to be off, while the two people involved might get along well.

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YET if they do (form a relationship), it might have a greater depth than a relationship, based on the progressed charts alone. Or maybe, more depth, is not right, but it would have a chance of more longevity, as these traits will never change, whereas progressions will fizzle out sometime.

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Yes, progressed chart effects should fizzle out or even improve because they are ever changing, unlike the natal which is static. So, whatever the progressed charts offer is not permanent. It is a fleeting window of opportunity for the natals( individual or synastry) to play out, and in the case of synastry, if the natal comparisons are not too good, then we can see how a good progressed chart would not help the situation much.

So, the progressed charts are the catalyst for natals.

Now to composites and progressed composites... This one is tricky. If the natal/natal comparisons are the two individuals being compared relative to each other, the composite should be the two as 1 entity relative to the world. With that said, this would be the place to utilize transits relative to the relationship, as transits can't be applied on natal/natal (synastry) comparisons because there is no point in doing so.

When comparing natal to natal, we are asking about compatibility (hence transits being unnecessary), about two entities relative to one another. When looking at composites, we are asking about the state of being of one entity (the Union). So, with that said, I am going to add another category thanks to you DD, that of TRANSITS to COMPOSITE and that of TRANSITS to PROGRESSED COMPOSITE, because this shows dynamics of the Union.