posted November 28, 2009 01:02 PM         

I am currently experiencing this transit (transiting North Node) on my IC in Capricorn. Consequently, the guy I have been engrossed on (not with) has his DC conjunct my IC, therefore he is also going through an angular NN conjunction.

Then I went to google and came upon this site The Moon's Nodes and I started to wonder how valid the transiting Moon's Nodes are upon the natal chart.

Can anyone shed light on the significance of tNN on IC/MC and AC/DC axes, please? I am interested in personal experiences from one's life or from observation of another's life; more than the "theory" that's out there but all thoughts are welcome.

Thank you!

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posted November 29, 2009 07:59 AM         

Though there were transits to my NN when i fell in love or when my parents broke up or other things etc.

Keeping in mind that north node is exactly conjunct my MOON

posted November 29, 2009 06:16 PM         

It was the first time we were intimate. So maybe that particular transit happens during significant (not necessarily sexual, just significant) moments in a relationship? Or at least a relationship that is keeping you on your life's path? I dunno.

Incidentally, on that same night, my transiting NN was opposed to my natal NN, so conjunct my SN. O_o

The last time my transiting NN/SN was conjunct an angle was mid-November 2007 through late February 2008. It was conjunct my AC. That was a difficult time for me because during that time I realized in my heart that my relationship with my ex was over but kept up a front for another whole year.

posted November 29, 2009 07:23 PM         

Maybe pluto transit conj S.N is a part of it

posted December 19, 2009 08:09 PM         

Number 1. The most importent just now. No more any hard on and off relationship. I must think about my children. I want give them a believe on relationship. The next one must be a serious good one. It will be better to be without relationship than do that I did my last year. I've meet wrong men. I've learn much but I must think about my children. I'm theirs model. They have did all that I did. Good education, good jobb, good money. I don't want they also do that I did in relationship.

I have been lost in thought in that kind of question in long time.

I will also continue wait and test the life and se what's happend. Let the life comes to me. It's boring. For me it give me the feelings of survive more than live...
Maybe that's saturn and pluto... .That's new for me to stop but I think its importent.

posted December 19, 2009 08:23 PM         

Hey Di - That's derived from that ancient thing of NN being benefic and SN being melafic, right? I wonder how valid that is since now the general practice is that the Moon's Nodes are all about dstiny, fate, past and future life, etc. I guess, the modern interpreters of NN and SN went philosophical, and they could be onto something, don't you think?

posted December 19, 2009 08:47 PM         

It does seem that the north node seems to show its presence after 2 - 3 degrees after it touches angles or planets.

3 degrees after it went over my DC i found someone that i fell in love with and was very much in love.

posted December 19, 2009 09:01 PM         

We might be getting somewhere finally.

posted December 20, 2009 07:28 AM         

2009 end of bad relationship and bad habits. Deeply reflection to use in future.

posted December 20, 2009 08:22 AM         

Don't worry about it. Maybe nothing did happen for you. We are still trying to figure out whether this NN transit thing is valid or not. The thing is, I am sure that with belgz and I, there were other transits too going on at the same time, so we can't say for sure that tNN was responsible. We are merely exploring it.

I would just like more people to look at their charts too and see if anything happened with tNN on angles, so that we can have a bigger group to verify or disregard this thing.

posted December 25, 2009 07:38 PM         

Yes - in our Synastry, we had my NN exactly cj his Vertex. (And dozens of other spooooooky aspects, especially conjunctions - such as my Pluto cj. his Venus by 2 dg, my MC cj. his AS exact, my Karma exactly conjunct his Psyche, etc...).

Fact is, the relationship lasted 1.5 years, was full of mindgames and mutual suspicion, extremely intense and draining (at least for me), exciting, but horribly confusing ... and it ended miserably. I was very hurt, felt totally exploited - and he couldn't let go completely, either, but kept on stalking me (light stalking via the internet, mainly) for about 15 months after the break-up...

Here's what that site mentioned by UNMOVED says about our "happily becoming a couple" phase ... ;-)

ME: Tr. NN cj. my natal NN exactly
Nodes/Nodes

The conjunction of the transiting nodes to the natal nodes also typically times important cyclic events in the life. These connections reflect cataclysmic points in time, similar to the previously described angular contacts. While all events linked to the nodes seem to contain an undertone of karma, these especially point to matters in which others appear to have as much control as the individual in ordering up the events taking place. It is notably preferable to have the nodes lined up on the natal nodal axis as they were at birth to having them interchanged in position. The North Node conjunct North Node often reflects forming relationships and fortunate connections, while the South Node conjunct the North Node indicates broken relationships and unfortunate connections. The latter combination frequently times mishaps, accidents, and unusual circumstances.

HE: tr. NN conjunct his natal Vertex exactly:
Nodes/Vertex

The nodes with the Vertex have similar connotations. The nature of the Vertex implies that nodal connections to this point will manifest qualities similar to those with the Ascendant axis as well as the Part of Fortune. This is because it is a sort of auxiliary Descendant, and relates specifically to important and seemingly fated encounters, both with people and with circumstances.

posted December 26, 2009 01:32 AM         

I would like to know, were there other transits going on too at the time which could have explained the dynamics of that relationship? I ask so that we can isolate what was really responsible, where it really was tNN or not.

Another thing is that, I would imagine that something empowering for the both of you occurred due to that relationship. So, do you really find no meaning as to why you were attracted to him at the time? Do you not find any lesson that you learned from being in that relationship? I am trying to see if any 'karmic' things occurred since you say that you don't even know why the two of you were together.

Of course, tNN cnj Chiron would be a major wound inducing and healing inducing transit.

posted December 27, 2009 10:54 AM         

As I sketched above: For me, it was the most draining, exhausting and ... disappointing love I ever experienced. And I am no naive teenager anymore, but 39 years old, a full grown woman, you know. All my life I knew where I stand with other people. I had experienced heartbreak, betrayal, ALL of that before - but anytime before: I never had lost "basic control", I always experienced myself (and my ex-partners) to be human, but "reasonable" to some degree ... until that man entered my life when I grew 36.

Some more "fateful" transit aspects he and me experienced while we had been together:

I had trans. Saturn cj, my natal Venus when our relationship entered the more serious/committed state! Then Saturn went retro for a looong while. When the problems increased, when the break-up seemed to be unavoidable ... Tr. Saturn came back and went over my natal Venus again. So: For me, it all got "tense" (at first in a postively "tense" way - then in a negatively "tense" way), while Tr. Saturn was conjuncting my natal Venus.....!

And another example for his transits: Tr. Chiron went over his natal Juno, while we decided to make it "real, serious and committted". He sort of proposed to me then - not asking for marriage, but asked me whether he might tell "all the world", that we're a real couple now - and asked me whether I'd like to move over to him, to his country ....

In fact, the relationship and all that has happened between us was pushed by dozens of such turbo-transits AND Synastry-/Composite-links ...

You asked, whether I really have no clue about the "lesson" that might have been involved for me... Hm - actually, I am really not sure about that! And THAT might be the most disappointing thing for me, after all. Searching for that "lesson", searching for that "clue" is the thing that kept me thinking and guessing about "what was going on here" - even now, sometimes! Although that thing has ended 1.5 years ago! THAT'S exactly the reason why it was SO HARD for me to let it go, and be it only in my mind...

For me, personally, it feels like a complete failure, I must admit. I acted in ways (within that relationship) that I wasn't used to, I experienced myself as very "weak" in many aspects - AND very "strong" in other situations. My reactions surprised myself so very often. While I was with that man I ignored some dear personal principles I had clung to all my life before. I discovered some other strenghts ... But these "strengthts" are "perverted strengths" in my eyes, in retrospect!!! These strengths had been related to matters as "perseverance, endurance, tolerance" ... I just learned how big a price I am able to "pay" and how much "hurt" and "disrespect" I can take, if I still "believe" in something... So, for me, personally, it was A LESSON ABOUT MY OWN MARTYR-QUALITIES, in a way. Definitely, this was completely new to me! My personal pride really got kicked around ... and I allowed that to happen ... for quite a long while, while I was with that man. In a way, I learned about what I DON'T WANT TO HAVE IN MY LIFE. (But the weird thing is: I never HAD such things in my life at all - before I met that man! So: WHY did I let it happen with him? In my past, I would have RUN if anyone had done the same things to me/to our relationship!)

After a while it was just not healthy anymore ... unbearable - and my close friends and family started to worry about what was going on. And I recognized: I just have to save myself!

So ... all in all ... that "lesson" was one of showing me my potential for "suffering" ... Hm, Thanks, Karma! Thanks for showing me. But actually ... I didn't ask for that lesson. And, even worse: I don't want to apply that MARTYRDOM-potential ever again in my life!!! I'd rather run! So this is a lesson that - from my current point of view - I cannot make any constructive "use" of, in my future.

I used to be a self-confident, optimistic, true and sincere love-partner all my life, in all my preceding relationships (the longest one was marriagelike and ran for 9 years). And these self-confident, enthusiastic and reliable traits have been the things that all my ex-loves have valued most! That nasty boyfriend from above ... he was "the one and only" ... whom I felt "victimlike" with in a way, who disrespected me and whose EGO was just much stronger and forced me on my knees, in a way. I just don't know WHY had to experience that lesson ...

It was a real SOUL SHOCK for me, in a way. And until now, more than 1.5 years after that horrible thing has ended ... I didn't manage to open up my heart again to anyone else. I just don't manage to allow any "romance" in my life anymore ... and I even lost interest in casual sex. It definitely changed me in a way that is hard to pin down. I still feel ... exhausted.