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Topic: pluto - MC and rape
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emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 05:43 PM
I read in some book probably by sue tompkins <i am not sure though>that Pluto conjuct MC can indicate rape....any thought? IP: Logged |
zoso Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Reno, Nv Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:02 PM
Does this mean Pluto conj MC in natal chart? I have this aspect but have never had anything like that happen...IP: Logged |
emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:18 PM
yes thats wht i mean? but we can also think about transits.IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:21 PM
Unless, shockingly so, being raped inspires one to pursue a career in porn - I can't see the connection.*shrug* IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:24 PM
Maybe she meant it can indicate a rapist - rather than a rape-victim.. perhaps a serial-rapist (if this title is equivalent to a career?)IP: Logged |
zoso Knowflake Posts: 11 From: Reno, Nv Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:25 PM
Could it mean rape fantasy too? not actual rape, but attraction to that type of sexual fantasy?IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:31 PM
Not sure, because a sexual fantasy is very different to actually wanting that to happen. Apparently - in an unidentified survey that keeps being mentioned to me - a great majority of women have rape fantasies.I am not particularly skeptical of this ^ but does anyone actually know who conducted this survey and where? Anyway - astrologically I think Neptune is more relevant for fantasy. :edit: hmm I found something on wikipedia - maybe they are referring to the college study in the "female fantasy" section. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_fantasy IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 443 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 06:37 PM
my mum was raped,and no pluto on the Mc. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 07:02 PM
I'm very sorry to hear that letram I hope the guy was punished.The other thing about rape is – in something like 70-80% of rape cases (depending on which survey in what area & year) – the victim is acquainted to the rapist. Maybe the rapist/victim synastry would be more relevant. IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 621 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 07:03 PM
Hmm transit Pluto + MC = sexual vibes added to our public image? But it doesn't seem very plausible, maybe would make more sense if it also aspects Venus and/or Mars. Even so, still not very plausible that Pluto on MC would indicate rape danger.I'd rather think that Pluto on the MC would empower and/or transform our public persona or career. Pluto might also make us look at our public persona/career with different eyes (a kind of very deep and realistic approach). IP: Logged |
emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 07:09 PM
well ..yes may be a rapist too.....MC!pluto...IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 130 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 08:01 PM
Letram,I'm very sorry your mother had to go through that horrific experience! I, too, hope the rapist was severely punished. I have pluto conjunct MC and I've never been raped nor have I ever thought about raping anyone/having rape fantasies. I'm not really sure what pluto conjunct MC is supposed to mean. So far, it looks like people have a strong reaction to my appearance. IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 999 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 08:50 PM
never heard this one. An overwhelming amount of people raped have mars-pluto in natal and/or aspect. The aspect is very bad. I've looked at a lot of charts of people who were killed and a crazy amount of them had mars-pluto aspect in transit at the time of the violent incident.Mars/saturn mars/uranus are also possible indicators of rape and violence. I suspect a transit of pluto/saturn pluto/uranus could also indicate violence.
For the record: I have never had a rape fanstasy. IP: Logged |
Coffee Knowflake Posts: 755 From: Leeds Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 09:21 PM
Pluto on MC will translate as:A link combining whatever house Scorpio is on, and its ruler, showing through the MC. Say, MC of Libra....Capricorn rises with Scorpio on 11th. Can simply mean you have powerful (Scorpio) friends (11th) who play a part in your public image (MC) Or insert related words. Sex is a Pluto word, linked to an 11th house theme, and involved with public, should give you some options. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 524 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 11:41 PM
Hey Astra, get used to the reactions, you've an angular Pluto, so you're a Plutonian! And about rape fantasies, arent they actually a fantasy of someone (male/female) not having to be held accountable for their sexuality, so thus they are forced and don't have to accept any responsibility for their own sexual pleasure/power, still retain their innocence in the midst of being in the act. I'm speaking of the fantasy, not an actual rape here. I believe anyway that thats why its so common. Hmm, oh and I have a triple whammy Mars conjunct Saturn conjunct Pluto. And no rape or violence, here. I actually have a lot of chart indicators for that, definitely surpassing the standard chart interpretation "Rule of 3" - which is astrologically somewhat strange. [edit: but i guess i could still be murdered ] IP: Logged |
Astra Knowflake Posts: 130 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 11:45 PM
Lonake,Hehe. Yeah, I've gotten used to it, but it can be unnerving at times. I have mars trine pluto in my chart as well, so I hope this doesn't increase my chances of being raped... IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 524 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2009 11:53 PM
Well by itself it's definitely an ideal aspect in being able to access and implement your personal power. When you have that i personally believe chances of rape are slim to none, but thats my personal bias aside from astrology no offense.The rapist is Pluto-energy tho so the OP is on the right track, but spec. conj the MC, not necessarily..Pluto H10 can also symbolize the father as Plutonian, such as abandonment of the child, etc. that seems to be somewhat closer to a more typical interp. But if they were going off of just an angular Pluto as being a possible factor, then yes then i'd agree, but it shouldnt be the only one, the astrologer shouldnt make that statement if nothing else points to it I mean. IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 708 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 01:04 AM
Well...maybe not so extreme as RAPE, but maybe a stripping of power? IP: Logged |
emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 01:07 AM
i know some ppl who are turned on by rape fantasies and they have mars trine plutobut to me Pluto close to MC seems a plausible explanation...for taking by force IP: Logged |
vapor-lash Knowflake Posts: 39 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 01:26 AM
Diana - quote: An overwhelming amount of people raped have mars-pluto in natal and/or aspect. The aspect is very bad.
And another overwhelming amount of people would have this aspect by transit or in their chart - and never get raped. An aspect can play out in several ways. quote: I've looked at a lot of charts of people who were killed and a crazy amount of them had mars-pluto aspect in transit at the time of the violent incident.
Again - I am positive that if you looked up the birthdays of these victims - on a social networking site, you would find dozens of other people with the same mars placement who had undergone the same transit (or who have the particular mars/pluto aspect in their natal) - and were not murdered. I just don't think one aspect is enough to account for something this serious. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 2264 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 01:28 AM
Vapor-lash,"And another overwhelming amount of people would have this aspect by transit or in their chart - and never get raped. An aspect can play out in several ways." IP: Logged |
DepTaurus Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: canada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 02:40 AM
wow seems like the topics ths week have been dealing with this kinda stuff first the suicide one and now rape.well i was wondering what else might show in a natal. what about pluto conjunct ic. an indication of being raped in your home could be pluto conjunct ic. just some thoughts. IP: Logged |
letram Knowflake Posts: 443 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 03:42 AM
no mars pluto in my mums chart.its part of a conjunction stellium in the 1st house, wide conjunct venus and uranus. no hard aspects to the chart else where besides the conjunctions. saturn in the 8th? (pluto/mc connection?) when is the line crossed between astrology, and just what happens? What about for example, the two men shot and murdered in my city by one man, they most likely didn't have the same charts there for, not same transits. IP: Logged |
emma_duncan Knowflake Posts: 113 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 11:05 AM
@letram wht were the transits ? if u have info on that unfortunate day. IP: Logged |
jacque Knowflake Posts: 16 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 04, 2009 11:15 AM
I have the following synastry with someone, I wud say the attraction for each other is off the charts but not sure about the rape angle.Me them Pluto conj MC Sun trine Pluto Mercury trine Pluto Mars trine Pluto Neptune sextile Pluto Pluto conj Pluto Pluto square Des Can someone please tell me more? IP: Logged |