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Shankara
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posted December 15, 2009 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
There is this guy at work that has been obviously flirting with me. He is much older than me, but the main problem is that I've been hearing that he has dated (maybe is even currently dating) other women in the office, and is not the type to stay in a stable relationship.

Yet I seem to be drawn to him, actually I've never felt this lust I feel with him with anyone else. I think I just want to believe it's all nasty rumors but it's probably not. He claims he's a quiet introvert LOL. He does make me laugh a lot though and we have similar personalities and interests (most people I meet don't know what I'm talking about when I go on about what I'm into). There is actually another guy there that I really like but I don't think the feelings are reciprocated (I don't know his birthday) so maybe I'm just on the rebound I don't know. Anyway here are the charts if anyone can help:



I notice that my Eros conjuncts his Sun, my Sun conjuncts his Moon (well, maybe, I don't know his time of birth), his Neptune squares my Venus, his Pluto squares my Moon, and his Karma conjunts my Saturn. Also, my Sun-Moon MP conjuncts the composite Moon, and his S-M MP conjuncts the composite Sun.

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iQ
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posted December 16, 2009 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
It wont work. He is just using NLP tactics to manipulate your subconscious lust, getting into your mind-space.

Pluto sq Moon, Neptune sq Venus and workplace flirt = A V O I D.

An evolved and aware soul like you should not even think of considering such men who are tied up to their red chakras for several lifelines.

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Shankara
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posted December 16, 2009 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL, you're right IQ...I guess my ego was just bruised by this other guy and here was someone who actually seemed to want me (and every other woman)! Thank you so much for getting through to me when others that I know well and are too close to the situation couldn't.

BTW, what's with the "image has expired"? I just posted them yesterday!

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Shankara
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posted December 16, 2009 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
BTW, were you just joking about the NLP techniques and manipulation or were you serious? The thing is I don't feel a soul connection there so I don't even know why I considered this at all. I've been single for years now, weighting for "The One," so all the more reason why I don't know why I was interested in him.

I went back to Astrodienst and re-copied the image link yet it still isn't working...odd.

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Shankara
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posted December 16, 2009 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
I fixed the charts...if anyone can save- err-help me! LOL, I like him despite myself, but I know I should know better. I think it's because he comes from an Indian family and I'm interested in Hindu spirituality (oh, and his mom makes good Indian food...my favorite LOL) But I just don't know why I have any interest in him (or him in me, or the nature of his feelings, is it purely flirtatious/sexual or something more?), is it the Eros-Sun thing? The Moon-Mars conjunction in the composite? Is there anyway to look at a natal chart and see if a guy will always be a player/cheater?

So IQ, the NLP stuff...were you being serious? I have limited experience in the crazy world of men...

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popcorn
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posted December 17, 2009 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe his eros conj psyche in scorpio in square to your eros and his sun conj get yot the strong feeling. A kind of feelings that looks like you feel obsessed.

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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the input Popcorn! yeah, there is something going on here...it's like he's doing voodoo on me because I KNOW he's TROUBLE!!! What the hell is the matter with me? Men ugh...

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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
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posted December 17, 2009 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I cant see any special strong connection between you two.
I think his psyche/eros conj in scorpio give him the attraction to other people who also connect these point in his chart. He are an magnetic attractive man.

I also feel as you in time but maybe your feeling it's over double-quick

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iQ
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posted December 17, 2009 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Not kidding Shankara!
Top class flirts and serial players unconsciously apply NLP techniques and know how to stimulate women through their subconscious. Women would normally not consider them. Some chaps spray plenty of artificial pheromone before meeting the "target", if the lady is vulnerable or depressed, this alone can do the trick.

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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
OMG, really IQ?! Well, he did tell me he joined a religion for several months just to meet girls, so I wouldn't put it past him. Man I'm so naive...where can I learn about this stuff?

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posted December 17, 2009 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Shankara,

trust your gut instincts.

And remember, noone of us here really knows him or you. So in the end only you can really know if he is good for you or not.


But your first post actually sounded as if you had already made the decision, and only needed confirmation.

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posted December 17, 2009 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
Well, your progressions look great. The Numerology, doesn't look so good...but what do I know.

Sexually, you're magnetized to one another. His pMars @ 22 Leo is in an applying conjunction to your nVenus @ 26 Leo. So potentially, this could be a very good sexual relationship. Since this is an applying aspect, you'll be attracted to each other for some time. It should be noted that Venus/Mars, while great for sex, is a combative aspect...but worry not, you have other fantastic aspects to keep tensions low.

Further, your pVenus @ 14 Virgo is applying to conjunct his pSun @ 17 Virgo...translation, Love. Again, because this is an applying aspect, these connections should last more than a fortnight. Love & Sex, what else can you ask for in a relationship.

Natally, your Sun conjuncts his Moon. You fulfill and nourish him. Additionally, your Mars & Venus loosely conjunct his Venus. You have similar tastes & there is a fairytale romantic dreaminess that surrounds you in combination to a fundamental sexual compatibility.

From a static/natal perspective, your masculine planets, save for venus-venus, are aspecting his feminine planets...you're expected to take the lead. From a dynamic/progressed pov, he is the one in the command position. Hopefully this doesn't create confusion. When in doubt, go with the progressed aspects because they represent who you are & the state of the relationship at this given time.

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posted December 17, 2009 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for emma_duncan     Edit/Delete Message
iq
wht do u mean by NLP?

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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
Nine - Wow thanks, that is really helpful! I wouldn't have thought to look at progressions. So do the progressions mean that after several years, those aspects don't apply anymore? He is definitely the one pursuing me, though he seems to like it when I'm "mean" to him, as in, usually when I like a guy I'm all sweet and complementary (and they never like me LOL), but with him, because I think he's probably a player, I give him crap yet he seems to like that! So maybe I've been more 'masculine' that way.

Is there anything in his natal chart that points to being a cheater/not being able to settle down, or the possibility of monogamy? I do see his natal Eros-Psyche conjunction, and natal Saturn-Mars square, though I'm not sure if those would apply.

Thanks so much!

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Shankara
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posted December 17, 2009 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
DD - I go back and forth on this guy. Logic is telling me "nooooo" but for some reason I'm drawn to him (sexually, but I don't have sex outside of committed relationships, and also because he seems to have a similar personality and similar interests, which I find to be rare).

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posted December 17, 2009 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
He's a lifepath 7, which means he's on a spiritual quest in this lifetime. The downside of the 7, and all things Neptune is he may have boundary issues.

Additionally, you guys have a Neptune sq Venus natal aspect. With venus as one of your rulers, this is an important aspect. It is possible that you are unable to see clearly. Doesn't mean he's intentionally fooling you, just that you can't get a clear picture of him.

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So do the progressions mean that after several years, those aspects don't apply anymore?

Not necessarily. The progressed chart shows how far the planets have moved from their natal positions. In this particular match up, your progressed planets are in alignment, hence why you're in each other's lives. Because the aspects have just moved into alignment, and are relatively slow moving, you can expect a fair period of good relations. Will the power of the aspects fade? Yes, but it shouldn't mean the end of the relationship. In time some other aspect may come along the fill the gap.

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posted December 17, 2009 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
LOL He joined a religion to meet girls?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZWfDtNRvA4


Actually - he's not such a master-player if he went ahead an *told* you that. Smart! Real Smart!

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posted December 17, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I don't even need to see a chart.I'm just going to be blunt: He sounds like a total douche. You know this, you said so. I think you know it's just lust, so either just sleep with him or forget about him.

Don't get into a 'real' relationship with this guy. From what you said he sounds like poison. Beware of stds too.

Personally, I'd just forget about him. The attraction will go away if you aren't intimate with him. Trust me, you'll never even know what you saw in him in a few months.

I think his leo likes you being mean to him.

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Shankara
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posted December 18, 2009 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
You're probably right, Diana, just think I need to hear it, you know?

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Diana
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posted December 18, 2009 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I know, that's why I said it!

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iQ
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posted December 18, 2009 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
NLP = Neuro Linguistic Programming.
Some allege this to be a spin off of CIA's MK Ultra Program, others think it is pure genius of Richard Bandler, John Grinder and Robert Dilts in adapting Dr Milton Erickson's hypnotic healing techniques into either
a) Light Side of Self Growth
b) Dark Side of influencing others through the subconscious route.

I have studied and practiced this stuff, it works like magic in eliminating phobias and in helping people imporve ther personality/confidence but the top level guys use it for influence and "programming" others to do their bidding.

Most people in the middle and bottom of the pyramid may have never heard about it but all company VPs and Bosses at some level or the other have attended NLP Seminars or Seminars customized from NLP Techniques.


I will explain some insidious dark side NLP.
1. Subliminal Advertizements. The Human Eye converts 16 Frames per second into motion consciously. The subconscious can see all 16 frames. One of the 16 frames can contain a message like "Drink Only XYZ Beer" in an ad for diapers. Dads seeing this ad more than 6 times will choose XYZ Beer for no logical reason whenever they shop for diapers.

2. Slow Looping Music at a certain frequency can influence the purchase of certain products whose names rhyme with the main words of the song or jingle.

3. Triggers: A man can say touch your shoulders or the back of your hand when cracking a joke. After 3-4 such incidents, he can give a simple compliment and again touch a safe target area. This establishes a trigger pattern. Next he can start giving more and more compliments and keep applying the trigger. In a week or two, he does not have to say anything, all he needs to do is touch the target area, and the female will feel that she has received a very good compliment. When alone, if he chooses to kiss the safe target area, she will turn into putty. Game, set and match.

4. Mindspace Invasion: Keeping things very very ambiguous with what wikipedia says are "Weasel Words": 'Some people think you are talkative, but I dont think so, I feel you like to help but most people dont seem to appreciate this most of the time. Maybe I am wrong but I feel that many people misunderstand you sometimes ... '
5 minutes of this ambiguos drivel can create a trance like state for the target. At this point, a hypnotic command can be given this:
".. I feel if perhaps one can say LETS GO FOR A DATE THIS SATURDAY AFTERNOON, then there could be more clarity and understanding... " The words in caps will be emphasized with emotion. The next week, all he has to do is repeat the date command and she will say yes.

5. Nested Loops take point 4 to a new level where incomplete stories are used to embed subconscious commands.

All confidence tricksters, deceivers, snake oil salesmen, Wall Street Honchos, Corporate Spin doctors and media managers are NLP Dark Side experts, even if they dont take actual classes.


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Shankara
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posted December 18, 2009 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shankara     Edit/Delete Message
I did a tarot reading about him (I'm still just learning but according to the sources I found in my book and online...), it pointed to deception, power trips, and the final outcome of regret! Woah...

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posted December 18, 2009 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
IQ

my bropther´s Gf had to do NPL Seminar on her work basis,seems they are more and more into NPL Things....but this is not always negative is it?

she talked to me saying the teatcher was very good,and that she coyld help me with my phobia of talking in public,but it was too expensive..

is it NPL as bad as it seems then?

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