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venus in gemini
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posted December 16, 2009 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
My guy has Mars retrograde in his natal chart. I was just wondering how this retrograde period will affect those with Mars retrograde in their own charts?

Anyone with Mars retrograde in your chart remember how you felt that last time it went retrograde?

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posted December 16, 2009 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunquintilejupiter/mc     Edit/Delete Message
ask Tiger Woods.....
sorry about that Elin

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Geez when did it go retro..i have not been having a good couple of days. A migraine yesterday replete with the requisite 10 tons of nausea. Natal Mars Rx here.

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posted December 19, 2009 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Thought this was a good article about Mars retrograde.

Mars Retrograde-Transforming the Brave Heart

Regrouping

Mars goes retrograde about every two years and two months, on average, making it a fairly rare event and the least frequent of all the planets. During this time, our approach to conflict, hostility, anger, assertiveness and taking action often requires rethinking, regrouping and reintegrating.

You may be required to draw on your strengths to assert yourself in some area where you've been reserved, cautious or inexperienced. The weakest links in your life may break apart or need to be repaired. You might need to find new ways to become empowered.

Whatever your current situation, Mars retrograde offers a chance to withdraw, regroup and try a new "attack" on the challenges in your life. It's a time to examine and rework the way you express, experience and integrate Mars energy in your life.

Mars and Aggression

So, what is Mars energy? A big part of Mars' territory is populated by anger and aggression. Under Mars retrograde, we may be confronted by issues involving these emotions, either within ourselves or through others. During the retrograde phase, we may be unusually sensitive to disagreement, conflict and power dynamics in the world around us. We might encounter a need to examine how we deal with aggression, and then integrate the powerful forces of human nature into our lives in some new way.

Anger, hostility, force, threat, displays of power, and other forms of aggression, naturally invoke a certain degree of fear, both in the person on the receiving end and possibly in the person expressing it. The primary instinctive responses to fear are: Fight, Flight or Freeze. (My thanks to a non-astrological friend for identifying and explaining this third fear reaction dynamic. You know who you are. ;-)

To Fight is to meet the challenge and move forward to defeat the threat; or alternatively, to impulsively lash out in rage or self-defence. The Flight response is to turn around and remove oneself from danger, either backing away carefully or running at a gallop. To Freeze is to be the proverbial "deer in the headlights" that is paralyzed and overwhelmed by danger, although this response can also buy time to gather information, courage and adrenaline before instinct chooses a more proactive response.

We all have our preferred or automatic ways of responding to fear. Mars retrograde may challenge us to explore our less-used ways of dealing with anger and conflict. If we tend to freeze or take flight, for example, we may find the opportunity (and the courage) to mobilise our assertive and proactive nature. If we tend to launch an attack at the first sign of danger or competition, we might need to learn a more restrained or balanced way of protecting ourselves and defending our priorities.

Choosing Mars

Mars retrograde is a wonderful opportunity to explore the deeper dynamics and issues that trigger intense reactions in us. Mind you, it will help if we can do this without turning everything and everyone around us into burning marshmallows! Having someone to talk to about what we're feeling can really help: therapist, clergy, spiritual advisor, mentor, friend, etc.

If this sounds like a "sweetness-and-light" approach to something potentially dangerous and primal, that's not the intention! Rather, the intention is to point out that if/when Mars throws a tantrum and turns your nice, reasonably stable life into a firestorm, there are resources and options to help you deal with the fallout.

It is said that the Chinese word for "crisis" contains the combined elements of "danger" and "opportunity." Obviously the Mars version of "crisis" may not necessarily feel comfortable (unless you're a bored Aries or Sagittarius looking for adventure!) And the "opportunity" part is probably going to take a mental counterbalancing act to keep from feeling overwhelmed.

Anger and its alter-egos—depression, fear, resentment and cynicism—are all common reactions to feeling overwhelmed and vulnerable. Learn to deal with these anger-reactions better and you'll be able to deal with Mars better.

Even if the anger is coming at you from someone else, if you look closely you will probably find that there is some part of you that is acting as a balance point for the other person's attitude. That's not to say that if you are getting an angry response from someone, you therefore deserve it. It's simply to say that we typically play a role in whatever dynamic we encounter with others. Learn what your role is and you'll have a powerful grip on taking control of the Mars energy in your life, by choosing a different response than your usual one.

The idea here is to ultimately learn a healthy way to integrate and respond to aggression and fear—not simply to feed the fire and scorch everything in sight; but neither to short-circuit the healing process by running away or avoiding the triggers to the point that you throw away the healing they can bring. In other words, the healing lies in expanding your repertoire of responses by learning to own the anger-reactions you usually avoid. Only through this can you strengthen your power of choice, so that you decide how to deal with a difficult situation, rather than emotion-driven knee-jerk impulse deciding for you. And don't feel impatient if you can't do it all at once—this is an unfolding process that takes time.

Mars and Passion

Besides anger issues, Mars retrograde can also bring out desires, sexuality, passion, ambition and drive that have been suppressed, forgotten or undeveloped. Circumstances and interactions with others may tease or trigger these impulses to the surface. Although this may or may not be a comfortable experience, it is an opportunity to work with these areas in a new way that helps you develop, heal and integrate buried feelings and desires. This can be done by releasing them from their inner prison and learning to experience and express them in a healthy way.

However, there is always something a little dangerous and risky about Mars. If a fired-up Mars is let out "without a leash," or without a way to maintain some degree of control over it, the results can sometimes be damaging and destructive. If we release pent up feelings too suddenly or too abruptly, without a way to support them within the whole of who we are, this can create more problems than it solves. This is what grounding is all about, and it is essential when handling the electric fire of Mars. The forceful power of Mars needs to be balanced with awareness and integrity in order to function in a healing and constructive way.

While the transiting Mars is retrograde, we have access to all this Mars energy—in all its potential and danger—in ways that we may not ordinarily allow into our lives. The results may be startling, disturbing, thrilling, frightening, inspiring, liberating and/or overwhelming, but always challenging and bringing a potential for healing.

Mars is a Fire planet (it rules Aries, a Fire sign). And just like real-life fire, Mars can be harmful and destructive when out of control or used without discretion. It is best to handle Mars energy carefully, respectfully and mindfully, with lots of safety mechanisms in place. But also, just like fire, when Mars is used wisely it can fuel great achievements and transform whatever it touches.

Working With the Retrograde Mars

During Mars retrograde, if you find yourself overwhelmed by feelings, passion, aggression or anger, it can be important to have a trusted person that you can call on and confide in. It's easy to feel consumed in the fires of Mars, when your objective judgment can be skewed or absent. It can be very helpful to be able to process and understand what's happening to you, and this can be difficult to do in isolation. Don’t let your pride, embarrassment or guilt get in the way of reaching out for help and support if you're having a hard time.

It will also help to have a constructive or harmless outlet for any frustration, anger, aggression or other Mars emotions that feel overwhelming. Physical exercise is a great way to use up Mars energy. Channelling your passion or ambition into a project can also help to transform that energy in a constructive way. Just be careful you don't overindulge in whatever you choose to do, to the point where you become obsessed and burnt out.

If you find yourself newly inspired and motivated, don't let yourself be held back by inhibitions, expectations or past history. That Mars motivation is a gift! However, don't expect immediate results either. Mars loves to move fast and can get frustrated easily if it feels limited by delay or boredom. Find ways to keep your Mars occupied—multi-tasking if necessary.

Plot a course from where you are now to where you want to be, and then start to move toward it when you're ready. For new or long-term projects this is often best done after Mars goes direct, but your Mars instinct will usually tell you when it is ready to act. During Mars retrograde, you'll probably find it works better to research, plan and delve under the surface of whatever your situation is, before you actually take steps in your new direction.

You will likely find that your best approach takes you on a route that you hadn't anticipated, or else you may need to gather resources first. It is wise to look before you leap! Despite Mars' love of leaping, understanding the potentials and pitfalls of what you are planning will increase your chance of success in the long run.

Above all, Mars is physical and instinctual, even though it helps to maintain an awareness of its energy and impulses from a mental perspective. It can really help to work off your passion, anger, frustration or inspiration at a physical level. Work out, have sex, take a walk, clean the house. (Not necessarily in that order. <g> )

However, if you start becoming accident prone, that could be a classic communication from your Higher Self to slow down and pay attention to what's in front of you, instead of rushing around trying to focus on something, somewhere or some-when else. Alternatively, Mars retrograde might also pull the plug on your physical energy and turn your body into something resembling a slug that won't move. It may be trying to tell you something, like: slow down, take a break, be gentle with yourself (and others), recharge your batteries.

Low physical energy could also be a symptom of psychological depression, in which case it may help to check in with your deep, hidden or secret feelings to see what's lurking underneath the surface. In this case, you might be burying your anger or discouragement beneath hopelessness, cynicism, boredom or depression. Or, you could be experiencing grief, even from a loss long ago that was never fully resolved.

In the end, whatever you're "hearing" from your body, it's a good idea to listen to it and your intuition. If you find you're resisting or fighting against what it seems to be saying, then that's a really good place to start exploring what retrograde Mars is trying to show you.

The Healing Crisis

Mars is the planetary ruler of Aries, as well as the traditional planetary ruler of Scorpio. As much as the Aries side of Mars prefers to be straightforward and get where it's going quickly, the workings and effects of Mars in the human body and psyche can be very complex and multi-faceted. This is perhaps more of the Scorpio side of Mars, which may become more pronounced under Mars retrograde. Scorpio Mars seeks to transform and heal a problem by "lancing the boil," digging under the surface, and getting rid of the hidden toxins.

This can become a "healing crisis," where it feels like things get worse before they get better. It can take time and hard work before you start to see the healing benefits, so don't just automatically assume that worsening circumstances means you're "doing something wrong." At the same time, it can be tricky to tell a "healing crisis" from just a "crisis," so don't be afraid to reach out for help and support to assist the process along.

Mars retrograde often requires exploration of the deeper issues underneath the surface of the situation before you can move forward. As a result, progress can sometimes stall or go into hibernation during the retrograde period. Perhaps you've hit a roadblock or an impasse and you have to figure out the best way around it or through it. Maybe you're having doubts about a goal you've been trying to accomplish and you need to listen for a while to buried feelings, fears, drives and priorities that should be taken into account.

You might find yourself having a delayed reaction to something that happened a while ago—perhaps triggered during the two months before the retrograde began (in the pre-retrograde Shadow), or even rooted in other Mars retrograde times in the past. It pays to use the Mars retrograde period to "listen" to what those inner feelings, impulses, passions and motives are trying to tell us before we act on them.

This special time in the Mars cycle gives us a chance to discover and explore uncharted territory in ourselves and in our lives. We may not understand that territory or find our way to the other side until after Mars turns direct. But Mars honours our courage, drive, movement and willingness to try new things. Where will Mars lead you?

http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/miscarticles/rxmars.php

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posted December 20, 2009 12:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
excellent article VIG!
Thank you!

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posted December 20, 2009 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
I have this aspect.

I ***** me no end. Current circumstances have me simmering & I can feel the boil & consequential eruption shall soon take place with a certain someone. It's going to be spectacular for all the wrong reasons.

Is this retro happening now? God I hope not.

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posted December 20, 2009 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Spanky,

I just checked and yes, it's retro from today December 20 to March 10, 2010.
http://www.mollysastrology.com/astrology-articles/mars-retrograde

I especially hate this bit:

Aries and Scorpio birthsigns, ruled by Mars, especially. Keep your guns holstered and wait for Mars to resume direct motion. Times will change.

Anyway, forewarned is forearmed so no worries. Just make sure that you are energetically aligned with your intention first, fine tune the blueprint in your mind... and all the outside circumstances will have no choice but to give you what you want.

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posted December 20, 2009 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Deux*


So I'm going to feel like killing this person until March?

F*ck that! I'm going to hide under my bed until it passes. I hate confrontation.

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posted December 20, 2009 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Spanky,

Oooops, I was under the impression that your simmering/boiling/erupting project was of the pleasant kind.

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posted December 20, 2009 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
LMAO@U Deux*


How did you come to that conclusion?


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posted December 20, 2009 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Spanky,

I think it's because I'm an optimist (and my mind is in the gutter). LMAO.

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posted December 20, 2009 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
That's why I love ya babes.


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posted December 20, 2009 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
Spanky,

Do this experiment. Since you can't really kill him and make it look like an accident, just focus on the good attributes of this person. Even if you can find only one, focus on it. Let's see if your relationship will change.

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posted December 20, 2009 04:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Deux

I get where you're headed with this & appreciate it. I believe the situation is more aptly related to the Merc Rx. I need to confront this person instead of shutting my mouth as I usually do.

I just don't want the drama.

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posted December 20, 2009 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Spanky

I hope you can confront this person, but to do it lovingly, with a resolution of peace as the objective and not to merely lash out.

I have already confronted someone. It happened, well... it started on the 8th of December and on the 19th, we came to a conclusion to postpone the fight until next year. It was quite liberating and it is something I should have done a long time ago.

I thought Mars RX was already in action too, so I am surprised that it only started going backwards today. Maybe the time of the confrontation happened during Mars' stationary period? So, this resolution to pause and wait till next year, to resume the boxing match, is all coinciding with the period of Mars Rx. I am just surprised how that worked out, that's all.

Personally though, seeing as I am quite Mars like, with Mars in first and Mars in Scorpio; this person being an Aries Sun, Mars and Merc, it has been quite subdued on the surface - although this aggression thing is not treating me well since I am not particularly aggressive. I am in an "Enough is Enough" stage of things. Still, I would rather not help the aggression by handling it during this period. So, I am going to try to put it behind me for the time being and start jogging instead.

Good Luck with your matter, Spanky

and hi Deux.

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posted December 20, 2009 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
mars retro natally.

I'm in a killing mood. I'm seriously planning starting to go and some boxing. I found a club and went to see them last wednesday. I want to knock out (?) someone in particular but anyone else will do. and I'm so ready to be knocked out myself. lucky I never took drugs and don't drink 'cause I would probably be tempting the devil right now.

I'm in fire. and I think I don't mind it. please shoot me!
I'm in hell

I've planned how and when to kill someone on the 26th. I'm so fùcking ready and capable. and it's not spending 30 years in jail that's going to stop me. Only my fear of god makes me reconsider it but in mind, he's already dead.

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posted December 20, 2009 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
I feel better now, saying it.

but still angry!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted December 20, 2009 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
So do you think if someone has Mars retrograde in their natal (and tends to tamp down their anger/aggression, or keep it bottled up), that this retro period could bring any anger or aggression about a situation in their life to the surface? Something that has been simmering deep inside, something you don't tend to let surface because of your Mars retro...but with the help of this retro period, it is pulled up to the top, so you have to really deal with it?

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posted December 20, 2009 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
sounds possible.

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posted December 20, 2009 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
but what triggers this off could be anything

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posted December 20, 2009 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I just re-read the article, and I think that is what he is saying....

"Mars retrograde may challenge us to explore our less-used ways of dealing with anger and conflict. If we tend to freeze or take flight, for example, we may find the opportunity (and the courage) to mobilise our assertive and proactive nature. If we tend to launch an attack at the first sign of danger or competition, we might need to learn a more restrained or balanced way of protecting ourselves and defending our priorities."

So I guess if we look at our Natal Mars, then we can understand what we are being asked to look at during this Retrograde period (December 20th to March 10th). The lesson of the Retrograde transit, since all transits are basically lessons.

Positive Natal Mars + TR Retro Mars = Negative Mars (we are being asked to look at how we over-assert, or over-defend, and how we need to correct and balance that aspect of ourselves)

Negative Natal Mars + TR Retro Mars = Positive Mars (we need to look at how we don't assert ourselves, how we don't defend ourselves, and we need to correct and balance that aspect of our life)

Well, my natal Mars is direct in Aries...so I know what they are asking me to look at...!!

Here is something I have written down and taped next to my computer to help me. Maybe it will help someone else.

"Release the ego, and the need for conflict almost completely disappears."

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quote:
So do you think if someone has Mars retrograde in their natal (and tends to tamp down their anger/aggression, or keep it bottled up), that this retro period could bring any anger or aggression about a situation in their life to the surface? Something that has been simmering deep inside, something you don't tend to let surface because of your Mars retro...but with the help of this retro period, it is pulled up to the top, so you have to really deal with it?

I think so too.

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posted December 20, 2009 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
pire

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I'm in a killing mood. I'm seriously planning starting to go and some boxing...

I felt the same too. I am a bit calmer now since I have expressed my anger, but only a little bit. Any communication with him makes my blood boil still though.

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posted December 20, 2009 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
unmoved

he's the guy in korea?

I've got faith in you, I know you can sort it out if you follow venus in gem's advice in her last post.

we are all learning

I found that having expectations is a blessing and a curse. curse because we can feel burnt and blessing 'cause we can overcome the suffering.

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posted December 20, 2009 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
pire - yep. that's him.

quote:
we are all learning

How true.

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