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Topic: Romance vs Soulfulness!
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DD
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posted December 22, 2009 06:00 PM
 
Yes, Vapor Lash, I forgot your meaning of Romance.
These little (or bigger) acts of genuine kindness, which show, that two people care for each other and are attentive. Imo it is of great importance.IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 06:01 PM
Ok Mr Virgo Mercury  lol.. I'll play by your rules and say..This is the definition I usually intend: 1.b. Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love: They kept the romance alive in their marriage for 35 years. Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2009 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Cited on: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/romance ______________________________________ These are the definitions that you seem to intend: 1 - a. A love affair.
- c. A strong, sometimes short-lived attachment, fascination, or enthusiasm for something: a childhood romance with the sea. same source. IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted December 22, 2009 06:05 PM
We must agree to disagree then. My thinking is more in line with Vapor-lash. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted December 22, 2009 06:12 PM
I am with Nine and Vapor-Lash (and really don`t understand the vehemence of your reaction in your last post; it almost seemed like you were offended by the disagreement  ).IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 22, 2009 06:12 PM
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Vapor-LashThis is the definition I usually intend:1.b. Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love: They kept the romance alive in their marriage for 35 years.
Okay, I can roll with that. the example in the definition says it all. They kept the romance alive, which is something they consciously chose to do and work at, but do you know why they were able to keep this romance alive? Because in addition to the romance they were deeply bonded soulfully and that's what kept them together for so long. If all they had was romance without the soulfulness, that relationship would have died a long time ago. I am not saying that romance cannot be sustained over time, but it cannot do so on it's own and it certainly cannot sustain a relationship for any significant duration over one's lifetime. Romance is something we do, but Soulfulness is something we are. Romance is a transitory temporal thing, but soulfulness is an eternal thing. If the relationship isn't based on eternal things that transcend both space and time, then how could it ever be expressed through unconditional love? IP: Logged |
Alvarella777
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posted December 22, 2009 06:13 PM
I do believe that several of you are right - impossible to pick a specific quote out of all this material. BUT, basically, to catch up with the discussion I want to add this - want to stress it again: Yes - ROMANCE is, for most people, the first step of falling in love, starting a relationship. It is a natural phase, the phase of flattery, luring the other in and being lured in, walking on clouds, in a dreamy, idealized state, seeing all the brilliant features of the other person and of the (potential) relationship. In some way, this may be a neccessary first stage of "love" - and a delicous, wonderful one! It is about "the magic of emotions" ... and it can create a stroooong bond between two people - if they speak the same language of romance, if they have the same taste and ride on that huge emotional wave silmutaneously, etc. BUT BUT BUT: Romance also is about PROJECTION - which is close to over-idealization, wearing rose coloured glasses, being addicted to that (fantasy) ideal of perfect, always glamourous love ... One day, if two people get closer, it is common or "normal" or "often the case", that they (have to) take off those rose coloured glasses. Phase 2, when the "projection" fades ... and we see the other person's other sides, maybe some "dark sides" maybe some "weak sides" ... this is a decisive step to take for a couple. When it gets down to the REAL nitty gritty ... then something else can start: ADULT LOVE. I'd say: It doesn't depend on your age - whether you're willing and capable to love in an "adult" or "mature" way ... or whether you're kind of stuck in that teenager's fairy tale approach to love. IT TAKES COURAGE AND FAITH TO ENTER PHASE 2 - AFTER ROMANCE. But not everyone knows how to take that step! Some people rather flee ... and leave a relationship then. I DON'T say, that "romance"-bound lovers are necessarily "chhildish", "shallow" or "immature" ... They probably experience one drama after the other, one emotional catastrophe following the other ... because they WILL get disappointed again and again - since it is unavoidable that one day, sooner or later, "projection" doesn't work any more. You must be willing, ready and able to face the other person (and yourself) with all their true colours. And the more "mature" lovers ... they run the risk of being disappointed because they crave such depth ... that not all potential partners can deliver. I guess all of this depends on several features, including childhood experiences etc. None is "right" or "wrong" with their way of loving. (Although, as the "mature loving kind", I must say: The "teenagerlike lovers" can be very selfish, underneath their charming mask. Their emotional capacities resemble the ones of a toddler, very often. And, again, they border to narcistic tendencies.) IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 22, 2009 06:22 PM
Are you all reading this. Have you understood what Alvarella777 has said? I hope you can appreciate her words or temperament better than mine, but the idea is the same. I agree wholeheartedly!!!IP: Logged |
Alvarella777
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posted December 22, 2009 06:23 PM
One more:ROMANTIC LOVERS ARE ADDICTED TO LIGHTHEARTEDNESS AND HARMONY. SOULFUL LOVERS ARE ADDICTED TO RESPONSE AND RESONANCE. IP: Logged |
Alvarella777
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posted December 22, 2009 06:27 PM
Thanks, POLO C! IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 22, 2009 06:30 PM
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IT TAKES COURAGE AND FAITH TO ENTER PHASE 2 - AFTER ROMANCE. But not everyone knows how to take that step! Some people rather flee ... and leave a relationship then.
This is the defining factor I would say. It's what separates the Boys from the Men and the Girls from the Women. quote:
And the more "mature" lovers ... they run the risk of being disappointed because they crave such depth ... that not all potential partners can deliver.
So True! I actually thought I had come to a point where no relationship could satisfy me until I experienced this fascinating intensity of emotion along with the synchronicity and the Telepathy. I'm telling you all that romance is not even in the same category with what I describe. You think you have seen magic with romance? You have no idea.  IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 06:31 PM
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Okay, I can roll with that. the example in the definition says it all. They kept the romance alive, which is something they consciously chose to do and work at, but do you know why they were able to keep this romance alive? Because in addition to the romance they were deeply bonded soulfully and that's what kept them together for so long. If all they had was romance without the soulfulness, that relationship would have died a long time ago. I am not saying that romance cannot be sustained over time, but it cannot do so on it's own and it certainly cannot sustain a relationship for any significant duration over one's lifetime. Romance is something we do, but Soulfulness is something we are. Romance is a transitory temporal thing, but soulfulness is an eternal thing. If the relationship isn't based on eternal things that transcend both space and time, then how could it ever be expressed through unconditional love?
I agree to all of that  Alvarella - again.. romantic does not fit that bill for me.. I can happily be both. quote:
Yes - ROMANCE is, for most people, the first step of falling in love, starting a relationship. It is a natural phase, the phase of flattery, luring the other in and being lured in, walking on clouds, in a dreamy, idealized state
 huge word-clutter-up! I always called this initial stage "infatuation", not romance.. Anyhoo, I'll stop being annoying & picky re: definitions.. ppl will start to think I'm the Virgo person here LOL IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 22, 2009 06:56 PM
oh, what you are REALLY trying to say then is this:1. KARMIC LOVE
2. TRUE LOVE
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ps. what sex are you all? I can't figure all the new dudes out lol
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Polo C
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posted December 22, 2009 07:07 PM
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Vapor-LashI always called this initial stage "infatuation", not romance..Anyhoo, I'll stop being annoying & picky re: definitions.. ppl will start to think I'm the Virgo person here LOL
Waaaaaaaaaaaa LOL! There are no Virgos here. If'n there is, I sho aint seent nun! LOL! I agree that the initial stage IS infatuation. I meant to say that earlier. It's the infatuation that inspires the romance. In fact, it's the infatuation that adds to the mystery and illusion of romance. Shame shame shame on infatuation for having everybody's head and feelings all messed up; blocking the potential for authentic love. [Lara Well sorta, but not really. Both Karmic and True love are soulful in their foundation. Neither is mysterious or deceptive, although the Karmic Love is extremely challenging. Possibly, one needs to move from romantic love to karmic love in order to be properly conditioned for true love... Yeah  Yep! I think that's it. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 22, 2009 07:08 PM
Lara, I have penis. You could draw a conclusion from this bit of information, which would be wise, as logic doesn't always follow my first statement.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted December 22, 2009 07:08 PM
Love is always true. How can love be a lie?
If it were, it wouldn`t be love, would it?Actually, if we define "romance" as the initial infatuation-stage of a relationship, I wouldn`t call it love yet.
Love always includes that deep soulful feeling. (sometimes there can be an intermingling though). One expression of this soulful love are these little acts of attentiveness and showing that we care for each other, though. So Vapor lash`s definition of romance would actually be a part of soulful love, or actually it would be an expression of it. This is all just me voicing my opinion of course.
BTW welcome back, Lara. 
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Lara
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posted December 22, 2009 07:13 PM
LIGHTBULB in Atlanta folks!!! Stand by for a powercut lol
Hey Polo - well, karmic love is not twin flame love, sorry to say... true unconditional love is attained once karma with those we love has been canceled out.
DD - thank you. I agree and i meant true as in "unconditional" - anyway, you know what i mean cos we've been researching an aspect of this for months
Coffee - sometimes i do wonder IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 07:21 PM
Coffee -Hang on! Do you mean penis as in.. 1 or 2? LOL Science Dictionary penis (pē'nĭs) Pronunciation Key
Plural penises or penes (pē'nēz) 1.The male reproductive organ of mammals and some reptiles and birds. In mammals, the penis contains the urethra, which carries urine from the bladder and releases sperm during reproduction. 2.A similar organ found in the males of some invertebrate animals. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/penis *pretends Coffee is an invertebrate!* 
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DD
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posted December 22, 2009 07:23 PM
Lara,actually I wanted to add that your "true" love probably means "unconditional" love, but then I thought it would be arrogant to put words into your mouth. I am happy I understood you right though. IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 07:23 PM
DD  quote:
So Vapor lash's definition of romance would actually be a part of soulful love, or actually it would be an expression of it.
Yes. That's how I see it - or feel it IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 22, 2009 07:25 PM
DD - i'd never think you were arrogant so feel free cos i know you get me on this!
Vapor - do you think he's ground or just a bean?
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vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 07:26 PM
Polo - quote:
Waaaaaaaaaaaa LOL! There are no Virgos here. If'n there is, I sho aint seent nun! LOL!
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vapor-lash
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posted December 22, 2009 07:31 PM
Lara -
well that depends.. do you mean "bean" as in..LOL *zips it* I've always seen him as more of a bean-kinda coffee. He's not soft enough to be ground lol.. maybe he's bean on the outside and ground on the inside IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 22, 2009 07:32 PM
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DDLove is always true. How can love be a lie?
If it were, it wouldn`t be love, would it?
True Love is indicative of soulful connections. Romance, although it feels good and is fun, as I have said, on it's own cannot be seen as true love. Let me explain why as I cut to the chase. Follow mw now _ [list]
Truth = That which conforms to fact or reality. That which is real.Trust = A belief that something is true. Real = All things that exist have three attributes, Design, Form, and function. The design is immaterial and eternal, but determines what shape the material form will take. The design produces a form that will allow for the most efficient function, which is the purpose of the
design.Design exists eternallyForms exist in spaceFunction happens in time. Each of us have a design and astrology gives us insight into it. Our designs cause us to express certain energies in certain ways. To gain knowledge of one's own design is to gain the knowledge of Self. This awareness allows us to both express our own energy correctly as well as attract complementary energy for enhancement. The greater our knowledge of self, the more energetic and magnetic we become. This is all a part of soul development or spiritual awareness, which is actually just awareness of design. Spirit and design are one and the same.When we lack knowledge of self our identities are shaped by the world around us. It tells us things like you're a jock so you go here and you do this.You're black or your white so you wear this, go there and learn to love that. We play roles and act out in ways that get us attention, acceptance and of course, money. None of this has anything to do with who and what you truly are by design. If the love you have is built upon any of the roles you play, then it is false and cannot be real love. It can be romantic, but believe me when I tell you, it isn't love. When you develop the courage to be true to yourself and discover on you own who and what you truly are, you have made the first step toward knowing and experiencing true love. If it isn't governed by design, it isn't true because it isn't real. Live to fulfill your soul not to stroke your ego and it will be accomplished.
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Lara
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posted December 22, 2009 07:33 PM
oh like a 'melt in the middle' situation? hahaok i better read this thread now and get back on topic IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted December 22, 2009 07:37 PM
LOVE can feel like LOVE and you fall like its LOVE but then it can suddenly cut off once the KARMIC DEBT has been paid.
So this LOVE is in essence a contractual love, only lasting as long as the karma!It's still LOVE. It's just not L.O.V.E as in the all-encompassing, binding, forever and never fading kind of love. The question i think that has yet to be asked here is: If you can only LOVE another as much as you LOVE yourself, then surely you can only find LOVE when you LOVE yourself without blocks/patterns/denials (whether karmic or lesson induced). See where i'm coming from Polo? So romance is not really always linked to SOUL LOVE as romance can exist in KARMIC LOVE.
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When you develop the courage to be true to yourself and discover on you own who and what you truly are, you have made the first step toward knowing and experiencing true love. If it isn't governed by design, it isn't true because it isn't real. Live to fulfill your soul not to stroke your ego and it will be accomplished
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