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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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I think probably thelepus have more to do with that kind of feeling that you describe than psyche/eros/mars/pluto..

Why do you say that? You just said that Psyche, lover of Eros, was telepathic.

What is the asteroid number of thelepus?

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Lara
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posted December 25, 2009 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
TELEPHUS is listed on Astro.com

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posted December 25, 2009 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Number 5264 on astro.com

Yes psyche in air sign are telephatic. It was exact was I say

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posted December 25, 2009 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Polo C,

I agree with you that if we look at too many asteroids without a systematic approach, we might end up finding just anything and taking it for a proof that people are meant to be.

But with a systematic aproach, it might be different.
Still working through this one.


Regarding Eros-Psyche, well there are two things I pay most attention to in astrology:
1. the cosmos
2. personal experience

Only if these two match I start taking things serious.
Cause I think the cosmos reflects human experience down on earth.


I haven`t completely thought it through yet, but in short words I would say something like this:


1. Venus and Mars: Physical (inlcudes emotions and instincts)

2. Neptune and Pluto: Spiritual

3. Eros and Psyche: Physical / Emotional and Spiritual

It`s like Neptune and Pluto operate on the higher realms, Venus and Mars operate on an earthbound realm only, and Eros and Psyche bridge these, participate in both realms.
So, Eros and Psyche can operate in a way that manifests the spiritual in the physical sphere.

We are physical creatures (with that I mean living here on earth, needing to feed and drink and breathe), but we are also spiritual beings, and Eros and Psyche somehow bring those two realms together, opening up the gate to a truely deeply spiritual experience, that is experienced in soul and body simultaneiously.


Moon-Neptune sounds VERY spiritual to me. Actually I think it is one of the aspects that gives you real psychic antennas for each other, especially in an emotional sense.

And yes I am or I was DarkDreamer.

Lara,

Merry christmas to you and your loved ones, too.

You asked about hearing his heartbeat.
It felt as if I was having two hearts in my breast, but both were beating "in tune" with each other.
Almost like if you play an octave on the piano. It`s the same note, just his reverberated in the lower octave, while my vibrated in the higher octave, yet it was the same note.

It is difficult to explain actually.


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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, I just checked our Telephus signs. Mine is
  • Aquarius (0.55 degrees)
  • Hers is Scorpio (17.18 degrees)

The orb is extremely wide and the aspect is square. Evidently, this isn't the answer for my situation. Our Eros / Psyche conjunction is in Leo, a fire sign. You mentioned Psyche in water, air and earth, but you said nothing about fire. What is Psyche like as a fire sign?

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posted December 25, 2009 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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DD - 1. Venus and Mars: Physical (inlcudes emotions and instincts)

2. Neptune and Pluto: Spiritual

3. Eros and Psyche: Physical / Emotional and Spiritual

It`s like Neptune and Pluto operate on the higher realms, Venus and Mars operate on an earthbound realm only, and Eros and Psyche bridge these, participate in both realms.
So, Eros and Psyche can operate in a way that manifests the spiritual in the physical sphere.



I totally agree with this! So Eros and psyche combine body (Eros) and Psyche (Soul)... Isn't this the ideal scenario?

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And yes I am or I was DarkDreamer.

Ah! So you're the one who had the post from Mystic Medusa's "Sun Signs & Soul Mating"? She owes you a promotional fee because I purchased it because of you.

From my personal experience, this Eros Psyche phenomenon is the most powerful thing I have ever been aware of between two people. No other aspect seems to explain what I witness first hand for myself. Honestly, I don't believe I knew what unconditional love was about, but now I do. It doesn't happen through a conscious decision in the mind, unconditional things must occur as the result of design. Fate! Eros and psyche have helped to show me just how far the rabbit hole goes.

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posted December 25, 2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Polo C,

" totally agree with this! So Eros and psyche combine body (Eros) and Psyche (Soul)..."
Yes, that is how I see it.


Hmm, I don`t know what post you are speaking about. So either it wasn`t me (there is or was someone called Day Dreamer here, too) or it is a proof that I have written too much on here.

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posted December 25, 2009 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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" totally agree with this! So Eros and psyche combine body (Eros) and Psyche (Soul)..."
Yes, that is how I see it.

Why doesn't everyone see it this way? To me it seems completely obvious.

EDIT: Both Eros and Mars deal with the body. I have read that Mars shows what a woman desires sexually and Eros is what turns us on... Duh, isn't that the same thing?

If one is a higher octave of the other then I think maybe it would be best to say that Mars shows what turns the body on physically and Eros is what turns the body on spiritually. One instinctive, the other intuitive? There has to be some fundamental difference. Again, as I posted earlier, Mars is satisfied by Venus (aesthetic beauty) and Eros is satisfied by Psyche (Soulful beauty)

Maybe this would explain how one in tune with their own Eros / Psyche may be unfulfilled by Venus or Mars and one aligned with Venus / Mars is unable to handle or appreciate the energy of Eros and Psyche.

Just as Psyche does in the Myth, one has to overcome the challenges of Venus to evolve the Psyche. Eros must feel the pain of love by having his true self revealed before he can reach Psyche.

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posted December 25, 2009 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
I have a question for you DD: Since Eros and Psyche seem to have so much to do with "Knowledge of Self" and self awareness, what do you think the psychological affect would be on one who attempts to deny it. Out of fear, people sometimes run in the beginning. I am wondering what sort of conflict or turmoil goes on within as they go through this process of acceptance. I have read someplace that one who runs from their Twin Flame is actually running from themselves. What say you DD?

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posted December 25, 2009 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, the twin who runs is running from themselves as a form of self-preservation defense tactic.

You have to understand that meeting the twin flame means everything you are is reflected back to you through your mate and she are also exposed to any insecurities and lessons you still have to meet and integrate.

So if both twins aren't evolved enough or at least up to the gate keeper then one will run, the most insecure and unharmonised one will run... and run.
There is nothing you can do then as the timing is simply not right.

My twin and i don't run, but we have challenges we must face to be together as in living together. We are totally in love to such a depth and breadth that we have now been apart for 4 days and my body heart and soul ache. I bleed for him. I never felt nor experienced such pain and grief. The night i had to fly home i cried for over 3 hours solid - yes, i know!!! me... LOL lil miss tough, strong, secure and together aries stellium hahaha

I sobbed like a baby and i felt our parting in my soul, all through my body and deep into my heart. Being apart when you bond so deeply due to you both consciously wanting and committing to the relationship is just excruciating.

sorry DD, i answered when it was your question!


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posted December 25, 2009 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Let`s say there is a strong Eros aspect in the synastry, maybe even with Psyche.

I think if you decide to not act upon it, it could give you a feeling of discomfort, unsettling (deep inside you feel that something is burning, but you donīt dare look or feel what it is), and if you project htat onto the other person (the one that makes the aspect with you), you might feel resentment or even anger (because they make you feel that way).

But in most cases I think it is pretty difficult to ignore the spark of Eros or the soulfulness of Psyche.


I sometimes wonder myself how this plays out, if an attraction is unwanted.

I have that with someone who is gay.
His Eros is exact conjunct my Venus (and his Mars exact conjunct my Pluto, his Mars conjunct my Aphrodite; luckily there is no eros-Psyche-aspect; but the eros-Venus one seems bad enough), and I wonder how he would feel that Eros-aspect.
Would it make him dislike me?
Cause personally I think that every astrologocial connection will play out, just sometimes is being received different according to beliefsystems or life-choices.


On running, no matter if in TS-relationships or otherwise, I have come to the conclusion to let them run. Maybe they are not ready for the depth of such a connection, maybe they have to make some other experiences before.
If they really belong to you, they will return, when the time is right.

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posted December 25, 2009 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
On the difference between Eros and Mars.

Mars is all about physical satisfaction, pretty selfish even at times.

Eros- according to one myth- is the son of Venus and Mars, so he has evolved from a pure physical satisfaction to something more, and he even has to still evolve in order to be with Psyche. Just as Psyche has to learn to trust in his love.


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posted December 25, 2009 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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DD - On the difference between Eros and Mars.
Mars is all about physical satisfaction, pretty selfish even at times.

Eros- according to one myth- is the son of Venus and Mars, so he has evolved from a pure physical satisfaction to something more, and he even has to still evolve in order to be with Psyche. Just as Psyche has to learn to trust in his love.



Ya know, I love these discussions with you all even-though we can't actually hear one another speak. Still, it's very enlightening and Merry Christmas to you all!

Okay, yes... Eros combines desire and love into intense passion. Mars is driven to have sex, Venus is driven to have love, but Eros is Love's sexual desire for soulfulness. That is Erotic Passion defined. Passion is Love's desire and Love's greatest desire is union with the Soul. Are we getting it guys? Are we mapping this thing out or what?

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posted December 25, 2009 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Yes, the twin who runs is running from themselves as a form of self-preservation defense tactic.

They believe that it is self-preservation, but it is actually ego-preservation and self-denial.

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posted December 25, 2009 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
zzzzzzzzz obviously.

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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Girl shut yo mouth!

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posted December 25, 2009 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
My twin run. He are married.

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Lara
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posted December 25, 2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

perfect timing popcorn is everything - which is a contradictory considering that time is an illusion hahaha

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posted December 25, 2009 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
So, look at it this way everybody. Venus / Mars, integrated properly, teaches us what Love Is and Eros / Psyche, properly integrated, teaches us what Love Needs.

First we gain knowledge of a thing, then we discover it's purpose or position in the grand scheme. First, what it is, then how it functions. This means that there can be no understanding or appreciation of the Eros / Psyche energy until one has successfully mastered the energy of Venus / Mars. Twins that run have not accomplished this at the time of their meeting.

By George Wattson, I think I've got it!

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posted December 25, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
What's time

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