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Polo C
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posted December 24, 2009 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Ok, so it has been explained to me that there are various octaves expressing the energy harmonics of planets in more refined ways. I am told, for instance, that Venus / Mars is a base harmonic, as both are inner planets. As I.Q. says, this base octave harmonic is concerned with simple, conscious behavior.

The higher expression of Venus / Mars is said to be Neptune / Pluto. These outer planets are seen to add the same quality to a relationship, but in a deeper way. This influence is said to occur more within the subconscious mind dealing with more subtle, but more complex behavior.

The next and highest expression of this is Eros / Psyche. These two are not planets, but asteroids. In discussions with others, and through direct experience of my own, an aspect between these two add the same base quality as Mars / Venus, but in a much deeper, profound, spiritual sense. These two go beyond the subconscious and seem to influence the very essence of one's total being. It touches the part of us where purpose lives. The part that overrides both the subconscious and conscious mind to align us with an agenda and cause greater than ourselves. It is the part within that intimately connects us with God. A conjunction between these two asteroids will rapidly accelerate the the awareness of the two people involved, yanking their consciousness down from the energy of the inner planets, quickly passing the subconscious energy of the outer planets, into the unknown and unfamiliar territory of the gods. The realm of eternity and spirit where the soul is formed.

This can be extremely frightening at first for those who have spent all of their time living superficially through an ego facade. If they find the courage to remain in this fascinating abyss for a good duration of time, they will be transformed in ways unimaginable before. They will see life as they have never seen it. They will become what they never thought they could ever be. From this, they will be born again!

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posted December 24, 2009 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
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The higher expression of Venus / Mars is said to be Neptune / Pluto. These outer planets are seen to add the same quality to a relationship, but in a deeper way. This influence is said to occur more within the subconscious mind dealing with more subtle, but more complex behavior.

Polo – I'm twisted.. because I have Mars in aspect to Neptune (conjunct) and Venus in aspect to Pluto (opposition).
Although Venus is also in aspect to Neptune trine both Mars/Neptune)
And Pluto is currently in Capricorn transiting over my Mars.

Do you have Venus/Mars aspects to Neptune/Pluto yourself? If you do, how does this play out in your life? I'm curious.

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The next and highest expression of this is Eros / Psyche.

Could my Gemini Psyche (12th) & Aquarius Eros (8th) be the reason why I attract air sign people and often those with Libra influence? I have zero planets in air otherwise. I usually thought this was a result of my Aries Sun. I'm not only referring to men in a romantic sense, but friends & family also: My grandma – Libra sun and mercury, my grandpa Libra stellium, my mum Gemini moon & Libra venus, my dad is a quadruple Aquarian, my step-dad has moon/mercury in Gemini and one of my closest friends has Gemini sun/moon and mars).

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Polo C
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posted December 24, 2009 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Vapor-Lash: Polo – I'm twisted.. because I have Mars in aspect to Neptune (conjunct) and Venus in aspect to Pluto (opposition).
Although Venus is also in aspect to Neptune trine both Mars/Neptune)
And Pluto is currently in Capricorn transiting over my Mars.

Do you have Venus/Mars aspects to Neptune/Pluto yourself? If you do, how does this play out in your life? I'm curious.


Heyyy Vapor-Lash! I'm so glad that you could drop by. Do I have Venus / Mars aspects to Neptune / Pluto natally? Well, my Venus and Mars both sextile my Neptune, but that's about it.

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Could my Gemini Psyche (12th) & Aquarius Eros (8th) be the reason why I attract air sign people and often those with Libra influence? I have zero planets in air otherwise. I usually thought this was a result of my Aries Sun. I'm not only referring to men in a romantic sense, but friends & family also: My grandma – Libra sun and mercury, my grandpa Libra stellium, my mum Gemini moon & Libra venus, my dad is a quadruple Aquarian, my step-dad has moon/mercury in Gemini and one of my closest friends has Gemini sun/moon and mars).

Well, certainly, I would imagine so, but primarily I would like to determine if there is a difference in the quality of what you feel for the person as the synastry contacts occur between higher and lower octaves of expression. Have you been aware enough to notice anything? Thinking back in retrospect, is there any difference that you can pinpoint?

For instance, what is the difference between Venus / Mars, Venus / Pluto and Venus / Eros? Or, from the top down. What is the variation between Eros / Psyche, Pluto / Psyche and Mars / Psyche. Do you see what I am saying?

How about Mars / Venus, Mars / Neptune and Mars / Psyche? I am seeking to discover the difference.

Someone once told me that the best and most pronounced contacts happen between counter parts of the same octave. As the octave changes, the effect is minimized to some degree. His words to me were "Venus understands the energy of Mars the best." Although she responds to Pluto and Eros, she does not understand them as well. This would also be the same for the other two octaves. So Eros understands Psyche best, Pluto understands Neptune best, and Venus understands Mars the best.

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Lara
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posted December 24, 2009 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
dang... i have venus/mars/neptune/pluto all aspecting each other.
Interesting though Polo about the transformation of the eros/psyche. I would agree with you!

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Polo C
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posted December 24, 2009 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Lara: dang... i have venus/mars/neptune/pluto all aspecting each other.
Interesting though Polo about the transformation of the eros/psyche. I would agree with you

So Lara, you have definitely experienced this? Don't B.S. me now. Have you seriously? Was it for you the way I describe it above, including the synchronicity and telepathy I mentioned before? Isn't it like, a feeling sort of like the person's energy is affecting or joining your own LIFE FORCE or something? Like they reach depths within you that only God should be allowed to go. Is it like that with you? At first it used to make me feel somewhat violated. Like all barriers and any sense of distinction or individuality were illusions that were dissolved as I encountered this person.

Oh, and let me point out... It isn't anything that she is doing to cause this, nor am I. When I say she reaches depths within, I am not suggesting that her conversation or whatever is so deep and magnificent. I am referring to our essence. Our nature and purest selves. It's as if our spirit or souls are in cahoots to get us together whether we intended on doing that or not. Our divine selves made this decision for us long before either one of us were even conscious of what was going on. Do you see what I'm saying?

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posted December 25, 2009 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Good post Polo. There is a twin flame couple where the guy was not ready but the girl had evolved to a level that she could even feel his heartbeat in her heart, see his dreams at night and so on. It goes beyond telepathy.

I strongly feel that in twin flames, the Chakras spin at the same frequency, in fact there may be an Auric cord interconncting the 6 Chakras with the Crowns merging into the same OverSoul.

Depending on your ages, you both may start recalling past lifelines. Progressed Moon Return at arouns 27-28 is a good starting point for past life recall, followed by Saturn return at 29 and a half.

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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Good post Polo. There is a twin flame couple where the guy was not ready but the girl had evolved to a level that she could even feel his heartbeat in her heart, see his dreams at night and so on. It goes beyond telepathy.

DANG! For real? She could feel his heartbeat in hers? Now that is something I don't recall experiencing, I may have though, but didn't realize what was happening at the moment. I am still trying to wrap my mind around all of these amazing occurrences. I definitely believe what you are saying though. I can see the potential. When more start to experience these things I wonder where this will lead us as a species? I am having a glimpse and it seems like a wonderful possibility that awaits us.

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I strongly feel that in twin flames, the Chakras spin at the same frequency, in fact there may be an Auric cord interconncting the 6 Chakras with the Crowns merging into the same OverSoul.

I was thinking it was a combination of the 4th heart chakra and the 7th crown chakra, Heart and Soul. It's just speculation for me now, but I am determined to connect the dots and discover definitive answers that can be shared with others.

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posted December 25, 2009 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
The only time I've experienced any sort of telepathy with another person didn't have any Eros/Psyche aspects.

My Neptune does square his Psyche/Venus conjunction, however. And we have a Moon/Moon conjunction (my Moon also conjuncts his Eros/Mercury).

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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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The only time I've experienced any sort of telepathy with another person didn't have any Eros/Psyche aspects.
My Neptune does square his Psyche/Venus conjunction, however. And we have a Moon/Moon conjunction (my Moon also conjuncts his Eros/Mercury).

Would you mind describing it for me amowls? I'd like to know. How frequent was it? What did you send or receive telepathically? Was it feeling, a vision, a sound... what did you sense? Did you know the person's thoughts before they spoke them? Were you the sender or the receiver?

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posted December 25, 2009 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I again and again get answer on my own telepathy from other people irrespective the synastry aspect. For a few day I think I must call a friend now...It was so strong feeling but I did not call her. She call me.

I have a friends bag in my home. I't has beeing there in a half year and I don't think about it at all before a couple of weeks ago. My thoughts was, I must remember to take the bag to her the next
time I meet her. When I get this feelings she called me and say I must remember to take the bag to her when we meets.

I think the own chart are the most importent and show the capability to receive the current energi it's involve.

I'm not allways sensitive for this kind of telepathy. For me I'm sensitive in time I'm in harmony with my self and don't close my self off.

When I talk to them I get the answer so I know I was the sender.

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Lara
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posted December 25, 2009 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
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I strongly feel that in twin flames, the Chakras spin at the same frequency, in fact there may be an Auric cord interconncting the 6 Chakras with the Crowns merging into the same OverSoul.

Agreed.
When i am with my man i feel zero energy irritation nor do i feel his energy vibrating differently to mine like one does normally, you know that awareness that they are not intune with you.

I don't actually have this with my TS but i don't need to, because i have already experienced the transoformational eros/psyche cj with someone else.

BTW i agree with IQ that it goes way beyond telepathy, and i do think that eros and psyche touch important personal planets by CLOSE orb cj in twin souls.
For instance,
my eros opp his karma (2') and trine his NN (0')
my psyche cj my man's AC (0')
his eros cj my moon/venus (1') Amor (2') my (his) name (3')
his eros square my valentine (1')
his psyche cj my telephus/vertex (0') is a good one i think!

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posted December 25, 2009 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I believe my thought can influence him more than him influence me. I think I know what he think about me. What do you think? Anyone?

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My thelephus sext my kaali 0-1
My thelephus sext my pluto 1-1,5
My thelephus sext my merk/uran 2-3
My thelaphus trine my karma 2
My thelephus quincunx my angel 0-1
My thelephus quincunx my DC 0-1
My thelephus quincunx my asteroid lilith 0-1
My thelephus sext my DNA 1-2
My thelephus square my MC 0-1


My thelephus conj his karma 2
My thelephus trine his venus 0-1scorp
My thelephus trine his hera 0-1pisces
My thelephus sextil his BML
My thelephus quincunx his lust 1-2
My thelephus uincunnx his eros 0-1
My thelephus square his uranus 0-1

His thelephus sext his boda/briede 0-1
His thelephus trine his juno/saturn 0-2

His thelephus sext my chiron/innanen 0-1
His thelephus sext my juno/pallas 1-2
His thelephus trine my union 0-1
His thelephus trine my afrodite 1-2

His lust/eros conj my DC/angel/psyche/asteroid lilith (tight orb)

My DC/angel/psyche/asteroid lilith trine his psyche.

His pluto square my venus/NN/mars
My pluto sextile his venus DW

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posted December 25, 2009 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Polo,

"She could feel his heartbeat in hers?"
I did. It nearly freaked me out. But I eventually got used to it, that this strange telepathic bond from me to him, seems to be always there. Doesn`t mean we are twinflames though. At least I hope it doesn`t mean that.

Anyway, I agree with your post to a certain degree, I just see the rolese of Neptune / Pluto and eros / Psyche reversed.

To me the order is:

Venus / Mars for the physical, instinctual level

Eros / Psyche

Neptune / PLuto


I see it this way, cause neptune and Pluto aare the furthest out there, and they are VERY spiritual, just sometimes in a way that humans can`t easily understand. More sort of a higher plan working.

Anyway, Eros and Psyche seem to work as a bridge, connecting the highly spiritual (but sometimes ungraspable) energies of Neptune and Pluto with the personal energies of Mars and Venus. Eros and Psyche sort of bring heaven down to earth, so we as humans can experience it, both, in the phyiscal/ emotional AND spiritual way.

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posted December 25, 2009 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Polo. How do you feel when you talk to her and be with her? Do you get confirm from your thoughts?

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Lara
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posted December 25, 2009 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
DD, do you mean the heartbeats are matched?

Merry Christmas to you and your family

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posted December 25, 2009 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe it wasn't telepathy as much as it was synchronicity. I could feel him miss me and when I wanted to talk to him the most, he'd contact me.

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posted December 25, 2009 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Awowls. Where are your telephus in your own chart? and between him and you?

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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Popcorn - Polo. How do you feel when you talk to her and be with her? Do you get confirm from your thoughts?

Whenever I am with her there is this feeling of vulnerability. I attribute this to the union of souls deep within us. No matter what we discuss verbally there is always a more primary communication going on between us spiritually. She may say "Yes" with her words, but if her spirit says "No", I know.

There were several times when I had something specific to ask her and before I could, she would answer the questions before I had the chance to ask them..

My private thoughts continue to come out in her open comments. With us it seems that she sends to me her emotions and I send to her my thoughts. All of this takes place subconsciously, although, there was once when I deliberately attempted to consciously send her a thought and that worked as well so.... hmmmm.

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DD - Anyway, I agree with your post to a certain degree, I just see the rolese of Neptune / Pluto and eros / Psyche reversed.

To me the order is:

Venus / Mars for the physical, instinctual level

Eros / Psyche

Neptune / PLuto


I see it this way, cause neptune and Pluto aare the furthest out there, and they are VERY spiritual, just sometimes in a way that humans can`t easily understand. More sort of a higher plan working.

Anyway, Eros and Psyche seem to work as a bridge, connecting the highly spiritual (but sometimes ungraspable) energies of Neptune and Pluto with the personal energies of Mars and Venus. Eros and Psyche sort of bring heaven down to earth, so we as humans can experience it, both, in the phyiscal/ emotional AND spiritual way.


Hey DD, was your name once Dark Dreamer or something like that?

The reason I ordered it in the way I did was not because of their position in the cosmos. but because of the subtlety of their effects. Inner - Outer - Asteroid. In our synastry we have the Eros / Psyche conjunction, but in our composite we have a Moon / Neptune conjunction. Do you think maybe this is the reason that it seems these psychic abilities are heightened when we are with one another? She has told me that no one except for me has ever thought that she was psychic. I have asked her family and friends as well, but none of them have noticed anything out of the usual with her, although they can see the things that happen between us.

Venus / Mars = physical, instinctual level... Continue...

Eros / Psyche ... What?

Neptune / Pluto... What?

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posted December 25, 2009 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
polo. It would be intresting to know where the telephus are between you and your girlfriend.

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posted December 25, 2009 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, I have a question that just came to my mind... If we have an Eros / Psyche conjunction in Synastry, but Eros / Psyche opposition in Composite, how is this experienced? I'm confused.

Synastry does what? Brings us together? So the Conjunction works to bring us together while apart? As a conjunction we are one?

Then when together, we express some sort of Eros / Psyche polarity? Is that it?

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posted December 25, 2009 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, DD = Dark Dreamer

I looked at telephus too as i hadn't bothered before and needless to say, i wasn't surprised by the insane aspects! lol

his Telephus cj my AC (3)
his Telephus opp my Lilith (2)
his Telephus square my saturn/nn (1)
his Telephus square my moon/venus (2)

my Telephus cj his psyche (0)
my Telephus square his groom (2)

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Polo C
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posted December 25, 2009 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Really guys, with so many asteroids, aren't we just fooling ourselves?

If you look long enough, ultimately, everything is gonna aspect everything and nothing really matters.

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posted December 25, 2009 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
psyche the lover of eros. psyche in water sign emphatic and in air sign thelepatic, earth sign caring and so on. In synastry to eros the conj transforming your lovelife. When it also work in composite in difference way it increase the strenghten tie to each other.

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posted December 25, 2009 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry . Not my thoughts to destroy this thread whit one asteroid more. But you wake up thoughts about telephaty and it was intresting to know. I think probably thelepus have more to do with that kind of feeling that you describe than psyche/eros/mars/pluto..

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posted December 25, 2009 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
No Polo, not true... if you look hard enough not everything aspects everything!!

For instance, how many couples will have a DW briede/groom midpoint conjunct natal venus (3')

When it's right and it's deep and soulful (twin soul) full then the aspects totally reflect that, especially in the asteroids.

Look back through some of IQ/DD/my threads where they are all listed and you will see what i mean. they are just stupendous and scream out loud in harmony!!!

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