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Lara
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posted December 26, 2009 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
On another thread we are talking about telephus and psyche together in synastry and also in telepathic terms.

I have telephus conjunct psyche:
Telephus 17' scorpio
Psyche 17' scorpio

17-18 deg Scorpio
A Path Through Woods Brilliant With Multicolored Splendor

The aspect also aspects these in my chart.
persephone 17' taurus
lilith 18' taurus
Ramses 17' leo
IC 16' leo
Aura 19' aquarius

What would this mean and how would it affect me please?

My boyfriends AC is 17' scorpio, his moon 18' aquarius

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posted December 26, 2009 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lara,

I'll give it a go. I would say that Telephus/Psyche makes you extremely psychic and easily able to read hearts and souls.

Opposing Lilith, perhaps this part of you enhances your feminine power and is part of your mystique?

Having your boyfriend's ASC conj your Telephus/Psyche conjunction, you are easily able to see into him? A deep spiritual bond and shared telepathy...this is also enhanced by your Persephone (a soulmate asteroid) opposing. Have you experienced this with him?

Not sure about the square to Ramses/Nadir, perhaps this is further evidence of your Egyptian lifelines and maybe you struggled with mastering your powers there or experienced some kind of domestic conflict due to your talents?

The square to your Aura could be indicative that you are highly sensitive to the energy of others and need to guard against absorbing this energy? Although the conjunction of your boyfriend's Moon to your Aura is further evidence of your bond with him and ability to pick up on his every thought and mood.

I have Telephus at 20' Sag conjunct Neptune at 22' Sag natally. It would also be conjunct my boyfriend's Neptune at 22' Sag. His Telephus is conjunct his Uranus in Scorpio (and mine).

We do have a DW Telephus/Psyche square, although the orb of his Telephus to my Psyche is wide (5). My Telephus to his Psyche is much closer (1). I have experienced a lot of telepathic experiences with him, yet I can see why the aspects are squares, because he fights that part of himself at times. I think he would be a little unsettled at how easily I am able to read him at times. Unfortunately, being an Aquarius with a 29 degree Sun makes him very spiritually gifted so it's a difficult set of aspects to have when one person is a little more evolved along those lines than the other.

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posted December 26, 2009 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I like your Telephus / Psyche.
Even though if I had to choose, (which you don`t have to as it is exactly conjunct in your chart), I would pick Psyche as the winner for the price of telepathy.

I would pick her, because her telepathy comes from a deeply felt place inside the soul. Telepathy that stems from a spiritual bond, which doesn`t have to be the case with Telephus, I think.

EDIT:
Telephus was actually the daughter of Heracles and Auge.
Auge actually had been a virginal priestess, but Heracles violated her and she bore Telephus.
The child was taken away and adopted.

Many years later, while Auge was "still consecrated to the memory of Heracles", she was told to marry Telephus by her adoptive father. Cause noone knew they were mother and daughter.
But Auge planned to kill Telephus in the marriage bed, but when she wanted to do, Heracles separated them by a flash of lightening and they recognized each other as mother and son.

He later married Laodice, the fairest daughter of Priam, the Trojan king (yes the one from the story around Paris and Helena), but cheated on her with her aunt.


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posted December 26, 2009 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I always wonder why pisces men have so great power of attraction to me. One reason are that pisces are my house 8. When I find out that I have my telephus/orcus/cupido (house 12)in conj in cancer trine my vesta in pisces wich trine my karma/nept in scorpio I get my real answer.

I think it must be nice to have one psyche/telephus conj. You really feel it when you love...

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posted December 26, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Oh just one more thing, it seems that Telephus loved Cassandra, but she scorned him, just like she had scorned Apollo.

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posted December 26, 2009 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I can't find the number cassandra on astro.com

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posted December 26, 2009 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Popcorn,

It's Kassandra with a "K" on astro.com.

EDIT: I just noticed I have a Grand Fire trine with Kassandra, Lilith, and NN...definitely explains my fondness for serpents LOL.

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posted December 26, 2009 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's crazy. Grand trine. My twins cassandra conj my nept/karma (exact my nept) in scorpio wich trine my westa in pisces exact. All of it trine my telepus/cupido/orcus

My cassandra conj his juno/saturn that trine his telephus.

What's that. I dont know what I should say. I think it's so strange between that man and mee. All syncronize in some way.

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posted December 26, 2009 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WOW! So interesting, thank you ALL..

Starr, yes i have this with him and even more importantly i think you have found the reason why i can so easily see into others souls and hearts and work out their dynamic which in truth is a nightmare because i make more enemies at the moment than friends with it
I try to curb this ability but i find it so hard, as if it is an integral part of me that i must use or not feel complete.

When i met my man, my progressed telephus/psyche was exact cj his n psyche
(his n psyche is 10' scorpio and his telephus cj my valentine)

The egyptian lifeline and the struggling is also in this life... i do struggle with my psychic ability. I feel often that i get misunderstood and feel so alone with it.

Interesting that you have the DW square!


DD,
his KASSANDRA 13' libra
my Lucifer 12' capricorn
my destinn 14' capricorn
my cupid 12' cancer
my osiris 14' aries

my KASSANDRA 26' pisces
cj my spirit 26' pisces and my santorini 26' pisces
opp my boda 29' virgo and uranus 25' virgo
sq my AC 22' gemini
cj his angel 27' pisces
sq his mercury 23' gemini mars/isis 22' gemini

Interestingly, my psyche/telephus opposes my mars 21' taurus/isis 20' taurus and his mars 22' gemini and isis 22' gemini cj my AC.
hmmm seems to be something with that mars/isis!

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Lara
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posted December 26, 2009 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Yes Popcorn, i do really feel it when i love. It's overpowering and makes me go off on weird tangents, sometimes freaking out about the relationship and then i don't know if it's my intuition or my own doubts.

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posted December 26, 2009 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

what strikes me about the placements you post about your love is that some of his placements have interesting connections to my own placements, too.
For example:
My Moon is on 17 Aquarius
my Draco Angel is on 27 Pisces

Odd.


Kassandra is on 20 Libra in my chart exact conjunct my DNA, opposing Chiron on 20 Aries, squaring Eros and Vertex on 21 Cancer.
Trine Sumeria and Urania on 21 Aquarius and conjunct Babel on 21 Libra.

Lets not forget Cassandra is also the prophet that has not been believed and suffered a tragic fate, fully knowing what would happen to her!


I wouldn`t include Telephus nor Cassandra in a first assessment of a lover`s synastry, BUT if you want to check for prophetic / mediumistic/ telepathic connections, Telephus as well as Cassandra may be important.

Telephus is on 0 Taurus in my chart conjunct Semiramis (it all leads back to the Sumerians) and opposing Uranus on 1 Scorpio.

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posted December 26, 2009 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting... well if you and i are part of the same soul group as in sisters, i believe you thought that because of isis aspects, then it makes perfect sense because he being my twin would relate to you too

Where is your isis btw?

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posted December 26, 2009 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
That is odd about those placements...

see if you have any connections to these odd placements i share with him:

his dr briede 3' virgo
my groom 0' pisces

my dr briede 13' gemini
his sun 12' gemini

my dr groom 11' aquarius
his n groom 11' aquarius

his peter 21' capricorn
his Lara 18' cancer
(yes our names are opposing in his chart!!! weird)
my dr surname 19' cancer
my valentine 22' cancer

his dr my surname 28' virgo
my boda 29' virgo

his dr Lara 13' virgo
my Lara 17' gemini
his dr Peter 16' pisces

hmmm

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my dr eros 15' virgo
his dr telephus 15' virgo

my dr valentine 3' cancer
his dr psyche 5' capricorn
my eros 4' libra

my dr psyche/telephus 28'/29' kuvra
his dr valentine 27' libra

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posted December 27, 2009 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
My Isis is on 8°32 Capricorn conjunct my Osiris on 7°50 Cap, my Venus on 6°07 Cap and my Spirit on 10°39 Cap.


"his dr briede 3' virgo
my groom 0' pisces"
My Akasha is on 3 Virgo.

"my dr briede 13' gemini
his sun 12' gemini"
My Kaali and Inannen are both on 12 Gemini.
my Dr Psyche is on 13 Gemini. Pretty close to my SN on 10 Gem.


"my dr groom 11' aquarius
his n groom 11' aquarius"
my Pallas is on 10 Aquarius

"his peter 21' capricorn
his Lara 18' cancer
(yes our names are opposing in his chart!!! weird)
my dr surname 19' cancer
my valentine 22' cancer"
Hits an interesting opposition in my chart.
Sun-Moon-mp on 21 Cap
Eros on 21 Cancer
Saturn on 17 Cancer
Vertex on 21 Cancer
Destinn on 23 Cancer
Pan on 21 Cancer

"his dr my surname 28' virgo
my boda 29' virgo"
Artemis on 27 Pisces, Dr ASC, DR Angel and DR Atlantis from 27-28 Pisces.

"his dr Lara 13' virgo
my Lara 17' gemini
his dr Peter 16' pisces"
Persephone on 13 Virgo
Karma on 17 Gemini
Juno on 16 Pisces, Dr Valentine on 17 Pisces.

"my dr eros 15' virgo
his dr telephus 15' virgo"
Juno on 16 Pisces, Persephone on 13 Virgo.

"my dr valentine 3' cancer
his dr psyche 5' capricorn
my eros 4' libra"
Venus on 6 Cap
Boda on 3 Cap
Stonehenge on 3 Cap
MC on 4 Libra


"my dr psyche/telephus 28'/29' kuvra
his dr valentine 27' libra"
Adonis on 27 Libra, Union on 29 Libra, Dr Venus, Dr Isis and Dr Osiris on 26 - 29 Aries
Telephus on 0 Taurus


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posted December 27, 2009 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message
DD you share some weird coincidental placements with the Aqua moon guy... just reading through your placements made me go .. huuuuh? lol
Me and Aqua guy have a telephus/psyche opposition too, within 20 minutes.

My MC is 18 Scorpio as well, conjunct Mars at 20' Scorpio

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posted December 27, 2009 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Lara,
I just had to add that the your Telephus conjuct Psyche,
in Scorpio sheds a powerful light and the subconscious of those you interact with. We already know you are a very Psychic person but this conveys the ability to pick up on the darker side of things. Perhaps you are able pick up on peoples true motives and intentions despite surface appearances. Especially if these are of a dark nature.
The fact that it opposes Lilith says that perhaps you discovered this ability by intergrating your own darkside, accepting it as apart of you. Ying and Yang. The key to balance is the marriage of both, as both live within us.
What house does this aspect fall in?

It also aspects your Aura, squaring it actually. This gives you an ability to use this energy in the Astral, and could also mean that your dreams are often of a dark nature.
The fact that it is square points again to a need to over come some very stubborn and fixed personality traits to be able to use this gift. Perhaps it was used incorrectly in a past life and you wanted to ensure this would not happen again, through lessons well learned Whatever the case it gives you considerable talent with navigating the Astral once overcome. Do you have lucid dreams?

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posted December 27, 2009 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I check out my aunt and her husbands synastry. I have never meet a couple like them. They must be twins. They meet one another when they where real young. They are born 1934 and 1935 and still in love. They are so tight to each other. I don't have any birthtime yet but I think it's intresting to check it out in any case.

His sun/eros/amor conj hers psych/chiron
His sun/eros/amor opp hers kaali
His sun/eros/amor trine her eros
His sun/eros/amor trine her merk
His sun/eros/amor square hers venus/nept

Her Sun 1 scorp/kassandra 27 libra/siva 25 libr

Her sun/kassandra/siva trine his isis
Her sun/kassandra/siva trine his saturn
Her sun/kassandra/siva opp his pallas/nessus

His merk/kaali trine her vesta 2-3

Her merk trine his Sun/eros/amor
Her merk conj his jupiter

His venus sext hers saturn 3
His venus conj hers uranus 3
His venus sext hers vesta 0-1

Hers venus/nept square his Sun/eros/amor
Hers venus/nept sextile his angel 0-2
Hers venus/nept trine his valentine 0-3

No venus pluto aspect

His mars square hers saturn 0-1
His mars square hers vesta 2-3 DW

Hers mars opp his isis
Hers mars sext his saturn
Hers mars sext trine his nessus/pallas
Hers mars square his vesta DW

His pluto square hers juno/nessus DW oooo
His pluto square his siva 2 /(cassandra 4/Sun 6)

Hers pluto sext his vesta
Hers pluto square his nessus DW oooo
Hers pluto conj his BML

His valentine conj hers telephus 2-3
His valentine trine hers venus/neptu/BML 0-3 DW
His valentine conj hers N.N 1-2
His valentine square hers merk 0-1

Hers valentine opp his jupiter 2-3
hers valentine sext his NN/psyche 0-1 DW
Hers valentine sext his kassandra 1-2

His Eros/sun/amor conj hers psyche/chiron
His eros/sun/amor squar hers venus/nept/BML
His eros/sun/amor trine her merk
His eros/sun/amor opp her kaali
His eros/sun/amor trine hers EROS

(Hers eros conj his psyche) 8= to much but because the strong connection between eros/psyche in the chart I think its important.

Hers eros trine his Sun/eros/psyche 0-1
(Hers eros conj his psyche 8 DW )
Her eros conj his persephone 0-1


His psyche/NN trine hers Isis/osiris 0-1
His psyche/NN sext hers kaali 2-3
His psyche/NN sext hers valentine 1-2 DW

Hers psyche/chiron conj his Sun/psyche/amor
Hers psyche/chiron trine his jup
Hers psyche/chiron trine his N.N/psyche 3
Hers psyche/chiron trine his persephone 3

His Isis trine hers Sun 1 sc/kassandra27(exact to kassandra)
His isis trine her siva25/kassandra27
His Isis trine hers amor
His Isis sext hers nessus/juno
His Isis opp hers mars

His Osiris trine hers NN
His osiris trine hers venus/NN
His osiris square hers eros

Hers Isis/osiris trine his casandra/chiron
Hers Isis/osiris trine his psyche/NN
Hers Isis/osiris conj his Jup
Hers Isis/osiris square his Kaali

His NN/psyche trine her Isis/osiris
His NN/psyche sext her valentin
(His NN/psyche conj her eros) to much orb but maybe I count it because the strong connection
His NN/psyche trine her psyche 2-3

Hers NN/telephus conj his valentine DW

His telephus/juno conj hers angel 3
His telephus/juon sext hers saturn 0-1
His telephus/juno trine his uranus 0-1
His telephus/juon sext hers Sun 2-3
His telephus/juno sext her vesta 2-3

Hers telephus opp his pluto 2-3
Hers telephus conj his valentine 0-1

His cassandra trine hers isis/osiris 1-2
His cassandra sext hers valentine 1-2
His cassandra square vesta 2-3

Hers cassandra/siva/sun trine his isis
Hers cassandra/siva/sun opp his uranus
Hers cassandra/siva/sun trine saturn

His angel sext hers venus/Nept
His angel sext hers telephus
His angel square hers eros

Hers angel conj his juno/telephus DW

Finally

His saturn trin her kassandra/siva/sun
His saturn sext hers mars DW
His saturn square hers jup
His saturn conj hers nessus/amor

Hers saturn sext his venus
Hers saturn square his mars DW
Her saturn sext his juno/telephus

His persephone sext hers persephone 0-1
His persephone trine hers chiron/eros 0-3

Hers persephone sext his persephone
Hers persephone square his prosperina 0-1
Hers persephone sext his Sun/eros/amor 0-3

His prosperina square hers persephone
His prosperina sext hers venus/nept 0-1
His prosperina quinkunx her eros

HER PROSPERINA TRINE HIS PLUTO 2-3
Her prosperina sext his valentine 2-3

They have no venus/pluto aspect


DW
Angel/telephus
Psyche/eros
valentine/NN
mars/saturn
pluto/nessus square

For me cassandra in synastry can show one part of intuitiv attractiveness and love to one another. Strengthen effect.

Telephus also the invisible intuitiv connection between the couple.

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posted December 27, 2009 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
For such a powerful soulmate aspect like Eros/Psyche, I would count any orb of conjunction, as long as it's actually defined as a conjunction, i.e. within 10 degrees. That energy can be felt between 2 such powerful vibrations. 10 degrees in a 360 degree circle is still pretty damn close together! I'm not saying we should count super wide conjunctions for everything, but I think it counts for something with such significant placements.

Of course, I wouldn't count that as evidence of soulmates or twins alone; I would expect to see many, many close aspects that defied mere probability. But I think some folks are too quick to eliminate significant aspects that really should be counted, especially when the energy is felt. We are a little orb crazy on this site. Just my .02.

If I'm not mistaken, I think IQ has a DW NN/Valentine with his wife (twin?) that he says absolutely is what brought them together.

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posted December 27, 2009 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Yes they have DW valentine/NN conj

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posted December 27, 2009 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
<<if I'm not mistaken, I think IQ has a DW NN/Valentine with his wife (twin?) that he says absolutely is what brought them together >>
Absolutely
But she is not my twin flame, we are love + karmic relationship soulmates.
Our general synastry is too difficult but Valentine-NN is an amazingly magical balm.

And very good interp SOVG on Lara's Telephus-Psyche aspects.

Lara:
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I feel often that i get misunderstood and feel so alone with it.
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Not with us ex-Atlanteans, we will always understand you and cheer for your happiness
Psychic abilities are an amazing privilege, give me Telephus conj Psyche any day

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posted December 27, 2009 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
"For me cassandra in synastry can show one part of intuitiv attractiveness and love to one another"
It`s not Cassandra that indicates that.

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posted December 27, 2009 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I just broke up with my twin

so forgive me if i go quiet for a day or two. xx

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posted December 27, 2009 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
You'll get another one Lara, you normally do.

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posted December 27, 2009 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Wow Lara...that's crazy, I felt a strange, unsettled energy surrounding you since yesterday. Sometimes I scare myself...

I'm sorry. For what it's worth, I don't think it's permanent. But (((hugs)))

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posted December 27, 2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
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It`s not Cassandra that indicates that.

I agree with DD. Based on her myth, Cassandra would indicate a talent for prophecy. It might also indicate being surrounded by people who belittle or don't appreciate one's abilities.

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