posted December 28, 2009 07:13 PM         

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If souls are reunited they would have to be at least 4th and 5th dimension right?

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posted December 29, 2009 06:58 AM         

I believe some people may be capable of fourth dimensional consciousness ie. psychics or even great minds such as Einstein's but the majority of us are not even close.

Which is why I am determined to believe that twin souls do NOT connect physically at 3rd dimension....
3rd dimension is a cube, a sphere etc... 4th dimension surely combines length by breadth, by height by mass volume? So that the inner reflects the outer? I am not versed in physics, can anyone here enlighten me to what the 4th dimension? Consciousness-wise Linda spoke of 4th consciousness as likened to having sight from the back of your head as well as the front and to warm those muscles up by imagining that you can see behind you. How would that transpire to understanding the past,present and future?

I do not believe that twin souls would meet on Earth without their being reason for it.

posted December 29, 2009 11:02 AM         

I think sometimes its hard to wrap our minds around the idea of a 4th dimension. Partly because as humans we talk about "having" a soul, as if it were something we wear around our neck, or that is lodged in some portion of our brain.
It is more important to imagine that we ARE souls. It is difficult, but necessary, to imagine that our bodies are the portion of the soul that exists in the three dimensional world and is visible to the senses.
Hence our very existence in this form in the 3rd dimension is but a portion of who we really are.

There is a book that I have read recently that I really liked that resonated with me about this subject.
Spiritual Unfoldment: A Guide to Liberating Your Soul by Richard Barrett.
In this book he says physical awareness is three-dimensional, soul awareness is of the fourth dimension. Three-dimensional awareness has the basic qualities, Barrett explains, of time, space and matter. These qualities creates the experiences of separation, death and mass. Fourth dimensional awareness, on the other hand, has the basic qualities of timelessness, spacelessness and energy. These qualities create the experiences of unity, being and flow. In the fourth dimension, there is consciousness of eternity, where past and future simultaneously co-exist. There is consciousness of omnipresence, in which everywhere is located right here. In other words, the here and now is "Home Central" of the fourth dimension. There is a sense in the here and now of a permanent sense of being. That being is not of things, but of energy. As Barrett puts it, "In the fourth dimension of consciousness there is only an eternal moment that we call now and everything exists in energy forms."

You know how we always talk about facing your fears or, not allowing them to be your motivating facor. Well consider the emotion of fear and any form of fixation on external circumstances are symptoms of attachment to the 3rd dimension.

Love though is an expression of the fourth dimension, a shared awareness with all energy forms of our essential unity. Intention is the secret of navigating in this realm. There are many ways to use this navigational aid to become more identified with our souls awareness. One of the most important is for us to look for the our soul's intention behind every experience, to see what we are trying to learn. In the final analysis, the most important lesson is that our ideals become our destiny.

So in relationships we can see that it doesnt matter if they are twins souls or just soul mates..Its the experience that we should be homing in on. What is the experience trying to teach us? By doing this we are coming from a 4th dimensional standpoint when it comes to soulmate relationships, and then it really does matter what type of soulmate they are, only that they are one...and we need to Re-member why we chose to connect with them in the first place.

One of my Astrologer friends told me this one time when I asked her what fourth dimension beings are like, she said that she read it somewhere recently and it really stuck with her:
"Fourth dimensional beings are at peace within their souls. They walk peaceably among their fellow men. They have less vanity, pride, greed, selfishness, anger, hate, fear, and jealousy, and many have none at all. They desire earnestly, and work to facilitate peace on Earth, recognizing that peace will only come when negative desires and emotions disappear and all humanity joy in the fruits made possible by Earth, by God, and equality becomes an inner desire, not by compulsion, or force, but because they love."

I think a great way to figure out how the Energy that we exist is as able to tap into the 4th dimension while living in the3rd dimension is to consider our connections to Neptune to our peronal planets, as well as its placement in our charts...Seeing as Neptune is the higher frequency of Venus, and signifies our abilty to unconditionally love.

I love this discription of it at the My Astrology Book website:
"Neptune’s symbol in astrology is the cross of matter piercing the crescent of personality, setting it free to manifest at a higher level than personal ego. The cross represents life on Earth and the opposition of the separated will to its evolutionary destiny: the individual will linked in consciousness to all mankind. In the Aquarian age this union will come about through personal evolution and mastery of the personality, rather than through the crucifixion of the personality as has been the case in the last 2000 years.

Neptune, divine compassion, is the higher octave of personal love, Venus. Where Venus says, "I’ll love you if you love me." Neptune says, "I love you because it’s my nature to love. You are worthy of love because you exist." Neptune’s vibration is neither of matter nor of this Earth. It rules all that is subtle, mysterious, ill-defined and not material: sensitivity, suffering, compassion, music, dance, theater, film, dreams, fog, mist, drugs, alcohol, anesthesia, illusion, deception, obligation, the psychic, mediumistic and the mystical. Neptune rules Pisces, the sign of compassion, and the pineal gland and the feet in the human body; it is exalted in Cancer. Its key phrase is "Serve or suffer."

posted December 29, 2009 12:12 PM         

I have been transcending now for a few months, in fact i think most of 2009. I feel great, energy wise. My energy is much higher, my vision is clearer, my telepathy is heightened and i feel much more comfortable in my skin, weirdly. I feel ready and able.

posted December 29, 2009 02:02 PM         

and if their is anything to the ascension teachings it is about accessing other dimensions, ALL of which are here/now but not in our everyday awareness.

posted December 29, 2009 07:06 PM         

It sounds like astral travel, teleportation etc is possible and inevitable at fourth dimension, then what about fifth, mind boggling eh...

Perhaps the third dimension is inside but the 4th dimension is within? or would that be the first.. within itself?

"There is consciousness of omnipresence, in which everywhere is located right here. In other words, the here and now is "Home Central" of the fourth dimension."... Fourth dimension is where we are in death? The transition from one physical manifestation to the next?

"Neptune, divine compassion, is the higher octave of personal love, Venus. Where Venus says, "I’ll love you if you love me." Neptune says, "I love you because it’s my nature to love.".... Oh yes I understand this concept as a Libran Sun and ascendant, my sun sextiles Neptune and Venus squares Neptune (albeit by 5 degrees)...

Popcorn ..."The astrology which not can make use of and anchor in the reality its for me fiction and not fact. When we people face to face with the sober reality desperse all the dreams.
For me it's more looks like astrology compares to an religion. It give us consolation and faith as it did to people who also are connected to any religion. Fantasy and fiction." sounds very like the Venus/Neptune influence.... Silverstone posted a link in Divine Diversities, I think it was, about Libra and Enoch and Hermes being the same ....The messenger of the Gods is usually a religious profit, or a verging on insanity IDEA-list.
If Venus rules Taurus and the factual, materialistic, and Neptune rules Pisces, the saviour, victim, sacrifice, or fanstasy then indeed it would make sense that Libra carries the message of achieving balance between the 3rd dimension and beyond...

Perhaps we can achieve consciousness of any dimension whilst still being firmly footed on
Earth.... which is really what you relayed Kat!

Anyhow I am still of the belief much like PoloC... "Twin Souls are not about love, not in and of itself, but about love experienced and expressed at higher levels of consciousness.".... You can find communion with your flame in consciousness but the reason is for helping to raise the consciousness of others?

posted December 29, 2009 09:08 PM         

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Anyhow I am still of the belief much like PoloC... "Twin Souls are not about love, not in and of itself, but about love experienced and expressed at higher levels of consciousness.".... You can find communion with your flame in consciousness but the reason is for helping to raise the consciousness of others?

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...And on that note, I would like to share some things _

A Dimension is a measurable extent of some kind. We can measure durations of time. We can measure distances in space. We can also measure our emotional states as we experience these events in space and time. This is an added dimension to consciousness. Because of the way we learn about dimensions, or because of episodes of "The Twilight Zone", we mistakenly assume that dimension is inexplicably linked with space or time, but as I have stated, a dimension is that which can be measured. When we speak of "Dimensions of Consciousness" what we are actually referring to is the context of our awareness. How much is considered as we have our experiences.

For example: We have external physical sensations, (Body) internal emotional feeling (Spirit) and eternal spiritual meaning. (Soul) The Body is what delivers sensation to the mind from the external world. These sensations are received from events that occur in 3 dimensional space and time. Those who are only aware of this have a consciousness restricted to 3 dimensions.

The Spirit or one's individual design adds emotion, conscience, individual interest and talents or gifts. Knowledge of this is the knowledge of self. Those who become aware of this and live in accordance with it have an added dimension to their conscious awareness and function within the 4th dimension, which results from the knowledge of self. As I mentioned in another post, this is the point at which one is "Born Again" from the flesh (body) to the spirt (design). Jesus himself said that no one shall enter into the "Kingdom of Heaven" unless they be born again. One cannot realize God as design until one first recognizes the self as design. Knowledge of design... Knowledge of self.

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"Fourth dimensional beings are at peace within their souls. They walk peaceably among their fellow men. They have less vanity, pride, greed, selfishness, anger, hate, fear, and jealousy, and many have none at all. They desire earnestly, and work to facilitate peace on Earth, recognizing that peace will only come when negative desires and emotions disappear and all humanity joy in the fruits made possible by Earth, by God, and equality becomes an inner desire, not by compulsion, or force, but because they love."

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This is valid except that it combines characteristics of the 5th dimensions as part of the 4th.

As one learns to reconcile and balance physical sensation with emotional feeling they become able to form a holistic view of things and discern meaning properly. (This is why the truth is so important). This balanced awareness of the two is what we know as the soul and this adds a 5th dimension to consciousness.

This holistic view enables one to discover the appropriate purpose for things with the understanding that all things have their purpose. Through a mastery of cause and effect one is capable of perceiving the scheme of things giving insight into the Grand Organizing Design (G.O.D). At this point, one has entered into the "Kingdom of Heaven" through Christ consciousness and has the duty to spread the kingdom upon the earth. Jesus will never return because Jesus was a man and he died 2010 years ago, but Christ will return to the earth in the minds of men, and women alike, as we learn to adhere to the truth and what is Real.

To achieve this state of consciousness one lives in submission to Design itself and acts as a shining example of G.O.D.s will. This is the truth of what it means to be the Sun of God. Not the son, as we are all sons and daughters of creation, but the Sun, a degree of enlightenment achieved through the evolution of one's consciousness, deliberately.

So, it would seem to me that Venus/Mars is a love expressed through 3 dimensional consciousness. Pluto/Neptune, possibly 4th dimension, but the nature of the Eros/Psyche conjunction, along with the myth, seems to accurately symbolize how 5th dimensional consciousness would express love.

posted December 30, 2009 03:08 AM         

Lara, batch of 1968 is likely to be the first to regularly visit the 4th Dimension.

In the movie "Hancock", Will Smith and Charlize are 4D Twin SOULS, living separately for the good of humanity. Had Will Smith and Charlize been mortal, they would have been Twin Flames.
The real hero of the movie Ray is a karmic transformational soulmate of Will Smith and a true love relationship soulmate of Charlize.

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Soul Mate Love Calculator

http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html

posted December 30, 2009 03:23 AM         

The only part of ourselves unbound by 3D space and time is our consciousness. It doesn't matter whether you're 3D, 4D or 5D you wont be flying around with your physical bodies defying natural laws. That's an unrealistic fantasy! You must think in terms of things beyond your physical body in order to understand this stuff. Psychological maturity is what will allow you to do that.

posted December 30, 2009 05:42 AM         

I agree.

And yet...

Maybe it is just me who is out of touch with their reality?
Who am I to judge?
(of course as humans we do judge, everyone of us, don`t deny it. The moment we consider something being "true", we automatically say that something else isn`t. And that is a judgement, a discernment of its own. And it is very human to do so; nevertheless I think we should be aware of it).

The thing is I have been reading a lot of things presented as fact and truth in this and other threads, and yet it is just an expression of someone`s beliefsystem.

So the question for me is: who is out of touch with reality?

Maybe in a way we are all simultaneiously in and out of touch with reality.

IN touch with our own perception of reality and OUT of touch with the perception of reality of another, if it in some way contradicts our perception.

BTW mythology is an expression / interpretation of a perceived reality.

posted December 30, 2009 06:01 AM         

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IN touch with our own perception of reality and OUT of touch with the perception of reality of another, if it in some way contradicts our perception.

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... Or at least, seems to contradict because of terminology while the core ideas are very likely harmonious.

posted December 30, 2009 06:33 AM         

you mention a very important thing.

Sometimes we contribute slightly different meanings to the words, so we get into arguments about the wording, while the ideas behind them may be very compatible.

posted December 30, 2009 07:26 AM         

Of course some people would view that as being out of touch with reality.

posted December 30, 2009 07:48 AM         

i must be one of those then

posted December 30, 2009 08:44 AM         

Polo C, I can see where you think that. There are many multi-dimensional people here at LL. Thats what makes it so much fun, at least for me anyway, lol

Unmoved...somehow I sensed that we thought alike on that subject.. maybe thats why we run from soulmates......we dont want to even meet a twin flame! lol ...xoxo

posted December 30, 2009 10:01 AM         

"Neptune’s symbol in astrology is the cross of matter piercing the crescent of personality, setting it free to manifest at a higher level than personal ego. The cross represents life on Earth and the opposition of the separated will to its evolutionary destiny: the individual will linked in consciousness to all mankind. In the Aquarian age this union will come about through personal evolution and mastery of the personality, rather than through the crucifixion of the personality as has been the case in the last 2000 years.

Neptune, divine compassion, is the higher octave of personal love, Venus. Where Venus says, "I’ll love you if you love me." Neptune says, "I love you because it’s my nature to love. You are worthy of love because you exist." Neptune’s vibration is neither of matter nor of this Earth. It rules all that is subtle, mysterious, ill-defined and not material: sensitivity, suffering, compassion, music, dance, theater, film, dreams, fog, mist, drugs, alcohol, anesthesia, illusion, deception, obligation, the psychic, mediumistic and the mystical. Neptune rules Pisces, the sign of compassion, and the pineal gland and the feet in the human body; it is exalted in Cancer. Its key phrase is "Serve or suffer."
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My North Node is conjunct Neptune in my chart. The final lesson I came through to learn is compassion. This is my last incarnation. Love and compassion...it all comes down to that.