posted December 27, 2009 02:29 PM         

i agree with you that it is highly unlikely the twin soul is incarnated at the same time as we are...though i guess it could happen, if it did it would be to experience DIFFERENT things here and now and so why would you meet..? i dunno. i have met someone who feels like a twin but we live on opposite sides of the earth, passing like the proverbial ships occasionally. i have little expectation that that will ever become a "relationship" - though i do keep my mind open to it, have to admit!!

posted December 27, 2009 02:34 PM         

It's a concept that requires a belief in an entire theology of how Creation began and souls were manifested. How can we possibly know these things? I also think it is very deceptive and sets a standard for relationships that is very hard to obtain or sustain.

Like you say, if this concept is true, the odds of two souls who have existed since the dawn of Creation incarnating on the same plane, in the same time and space, have to be slim to none. Yet everyone is hoping and wishing to meet their twin...

posted December 27, 2009 02:45 PM         

I started off much higher, but generally went lower after the physical failed to materialise. I guess many operate on the lower levels now. That is how a capitalist area is built on. Politics is not my strong point

It's unfortunate that the world is built on appearances.

I disagree plenty of what you say about reaching enlightenment and finding a twin-whatever-it-is.
I find astrology can give answers...tangible, solid results in regards to the department of a soul relationship.

I guess if you believe in karma, then we have many lives. You don't always have to meet the person you are supposed to be with in every life.

posted December 27, 2009 02:46 PM         

StarofVenusGirl... my sentiments exactly!..."It's a concept that requires a belief in an entire theology of how Creation began and souls were manifested"...

Although if we are coming to an age of ascension? Then it should be possible for anyone to connect physically with their twin but at that stage the planet and existence will be at 4th dimension?

Still as you say there is so much more to know regarding historical, occult, spiritual, theological, astrological matters that it's simply not logical to say that twin souls exist.

Life real and in the present moment can be the ONLY way to evolve, the only way to live.

posted December 27, 2009 02:51 PM         

I guess if you believe in karma, then we have many lives. You don't always have to meet the person you are supposed to be with in every life."

Absolutely and I might add that you have the free will to make the choice between a karmic or new relationship... whatever that means

posted December 27, 2009 02:57 PM         

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I guess if you believe in karma, then we have many lives. You don't always have to meet the person you are supposed to be with in every life.

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This.

Also, I wonder if the point of living karmic lives is to learn and grow, so that we may be one day be reunited with the Divine, then why emphasize being reunited with each other?

posted December 27, 2009 03:22 PM         

But with the twin souls and all the hype surrounding them, the bar is set VERY high. I don't want to hear about twins and then see someone posting about how their twin cheated on them. That makes no sense. A few unevolved twins might be runners but not all of them...too much drama makes me highly suspicious that the relationship is karmic.

And you're right Quinnie...it's a vicious cycle. The more people that post about being with their twin, the more others feel their relationships are inferior in some way, and keep searching and digging for proof of twins.

posted December 27, 2009 03:37 PM         

Really, sometimes - in my weak moments- I think that we are all living in a cloud of illusion and spiritual arrogance and avoiding real life and real responsibilities for this life now and the people who love us and whom we love.

I know that this is probably unfair, too, but really, why not just love with your heart and soul instead of racking your brain how to "fit" these feelings into some theoretical construct?

posted December 27, 2009 03:49 PM         

If real love is possible between any two (or more) people, it is a gift to all that come in contact with it and I think in that way, it is a gift to humanity and the planet.

I have a hard time understanding what coffee is trying to say but he mentions the fixation on appearances and I saw the other magic word capitalism in there too. Both are ruinous to the possibility of real love.

I think most of us are reaching and few if any will ever want to know love for what it is because the last thing it is, is self-serving. Those that try to serve another with an eye to the collective will be misunderstood from an early age and then the defenses that develop will be the undoing of love.

If you want to look at astrology, I would bet a lot on the 12th house, I do not buy into asteroids at all.

posted December 27, 2009 04:21 PM         

And also, have you ever been in love? Really deeply felt love filling your heart until it was overflowing with love?
This overflowing with love itself is a service to humanity, cause in this state of love, you don´t only love your lover, but you love life itself, with all its inhabitants.

At least that is what I have felt, and it is impossible to be in such a state of feeling and harm others, you just spread positive energy, that is healing not only yourself, but everyone who touches your life and who is receptive.

I wouldn`t limit that to twinsouls though.
It`s just that state of "love", I have sometimes felt it even without being in love with some guy, even though it is easier to reach that state inside, if you are in love.

posted December 27, 2009 04:28 PM         

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But what are they doing for humanity? How have they as a twinsouls helped all souls to evolve on Earth?
What eartly manifestations have declared their twin-ship? An what astrological manifestations declare it?
It's still up for debate.

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Exactly! This is the point I attempted to make. For me it is frustrating to read alleged "Twin Soul" talk about their romance. It seems like a slap in the face to the spiritual achievement that must precede it.

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Ursa - Most of the "love" I see between any two people is not what I would consider love. I include myself here. We are so incredibly unaware of ourselves to begin with that it would be impossible to achieve love as I and many others seem to define it.

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So true, you are definitely on point here.

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think most of us are reaching and few if any will ever want to know love for what it is because the last thing it is, is self-serving. Those that try to serve another with an eye to the collective will be misunderstood from an early age and then the defenses that develop will be the undoing of love.

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BINGO!

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StarrofVenusGirl -I don't want to hear about twins and then see someone posting about how their twin cheated on them. That makes no sense.

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BINGO AGAIN! Twin Souls are the result of elevated consciousness. They cannot be persuaded by temporal transitory things.

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It's a concept that requires a belief in an entire theology of how Creation began and souls were manifested"...

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Not necessarily. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. The key is in understanding energy, positive and negative charges and the design for the universe. Mythology is just a poetic way to describe these things, but any literal interpretation will be misleading.

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Quinnie - Ok I now believe twin souls do not exist, certainly not at 3rd dimension.
If souls are reunited they would have to be at least 4th and 5th dimension right?

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This is the best thing I have read thus far and I totally concur. This is the reason that I brought the 7 chakras into the discussion during my other posts on this subject.

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In order to be refinement to be made manifest physically a twin soul would have to be capable of seeing past, through all of past/present future at once which suggests fourth dimension.
So I am now of the opinion that unless you have achieved full enlightenment, likened to Jesus, who served humanity then it is not possible to reconnect with your twin at 3rd dimension...

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BINGO! For me, my focus has been greater enlightenment for over 25 years. I was not looking for love or romance or anything like that. My objective was to better acquaint myself with, and to know the mind of God as Einstein sought to do.To view all of reality in a Holistic way and Jesus is the example.

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To me 4th dimension is immediate awareness, consciousness of past present and future.

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Yes, and this is achieved through a profound awareness of causality - Cause and Effect. In this way one will learn to connect the three (past/present/future) into a single cohesive whole which opens the mind to eternal things.

I gave no THOUGHT to soul mates and I was totally unaware of the Twin Flame concept until I experienced what I had once thought was impossible. I have mentioned before the external synchronicity and telepathy that happens consistently between us. Still, this isn't about romantic love, it's about consciousness and the underlying design for the cosmos.

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ust feel this twin soul thing can confuse and disillusion people too easily.

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posted December 27, 2009 04:56 PM         

I'm inlove with my partner and have been with him for 8 years, we have 2 children.
As well as this I have had very deep unrequited love. My mother has given me unconditional love from birth so yes I know how love feels.

"At least that is what I have felt, and it is impossible to be in such a state of feeling and harm others, you just spread positive energy, that is healing not only yourself, but everyone who touches your life and who is receptive.

I wouldn`t limit that to twinsouls though. "

posted December 27, 2009 05:39 PM         

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It is not impossible though to feel so much love for another, that you would kill to protect them.... and that has nothing to do with twin souls. My family, my children, my partner are not my twin, yet I would die for them.

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Good point and I think I see the problem here. Twin Souls are not about love, not in and of itself, but about love experienced and expressed at higher levels of consciousness. I imagine then that there is a version of love for each level of conscious development and one only knows and understands the kinds of love that they have experienced up to the point of there current development.

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SVG -Also, I wonder if the point of living karmic lives is to learn and grow, so that we may be one day be reunited with the Divine, then why emphasize being reunited with each other?

Unless reuniting with each other IS reuniting with the Divine. This is the part where I get a little confused. But I don't think anyone truly knows the answers...if they do, why are they here on Earth? It seems like all the ones who knew the answers came and went.

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Oh... Oh... I know the answer. The divine and the design are one and the same. We reunite with the divine as we learn to interact with one another sincerely by design. This is how the truth shall set us free from the bondage established by illusions and falsehoods surrounding the Self.

posted December 28, 2009 03:43 AM         

A mother and daughter can be twin flames too.

Brothers can be. I know of two such brothers.
Born a couple of years apart, they look alike, talk alike, married on the same day, their children were born hardly weeks apart and the kids have followed similar life patterns. They look like 40 year old clones at age 65.
They have been living next to each other for decades. I think of Thompson and Thomson from Tintin Comics...

I read of several twin flame couples who have been happily married for 60 plus years. In one case, the 80 plus husband died 9 hours later out of sheer grief.

It is a question of Soul Frequency Signature.

I love my wife a lot. She is not my twin flame but a karmic love soul mate. I will not give her up to be with a twin flame, I would be quite content being platonic friends with my twin flame, even if she looked like Eva Green. My two kids are also soulmates and when they sleep [after bugging me till 3 AM ] they cling to me like baby koalas. Give this up just cause I met my twin flame? I dont think so.

I have no doubts that after tackling many challenges in life, compansionship till death with a twin flame would be a phenomenal reward. The consciousness can elevate us to 4th Density levels, where we may actually meet up with our Twin Soul.

But Soulmates who are not twins can be no less satisfying IF WE PUT IN THE EFFORT TO LOVE AND BE LOVED.

And I think Higher Self holds some powerful secrets: Soul Facets.
You love a karmic soulmate with all your heart and all your Soul. Then the Twin Flame's Soul Facet can "Walk In" to your Soulmate when you need her the most. All the advanced astrology techniques in the world cannot show us this phenomenon with certainty. Some cards are known only to the Higher Self.

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Soul Mate Love Calculator

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posted December 28, 2009 08:08 AM         

I so understand what you´re saying...days ago i thought the exact same tihing.

that i would not give upon my Johnny,for a Twin SOul.not in a million lifetimes.

maybe that is why we met so many times...we just cant get enough of each other always wanting the best lifetime together full of happiness...

i didnt knew that a Twin Flame+s soul facet could enter our Soulmate... that is...incredible!

posted December 28, 2009 10:00 AM         

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posted December 28, 2009 10:54 AM         

I am perfectly happy with things as they stand and the thought of an unknown coming into my life to disrupt that isn't charming or something to idealize; I find it very disturbing actually. Like Comica, I have wondered at times what the point of investing a lot of time & love into a relationship would be if at anytime your Twin (or heaven forbid theirs) could come along and leave someone out in the cold.

posted December 28, 2009 11:31 AM         

I doubt you will get fined, given less points or something silly for not meeting with a partner that seems most suitable.

Yet, the curiosity that you are potentially going to someone who is ideal, will be of interest to many.
Glad you wouldn't break up anything current you may have in exchange for something which looks good on paper.

The other option (new person) could provide exactly what you are after. Maybe you would be better with the new person, and your ex better with something else that comes along.

I doubt magical thing will start to happen, so the viewpoiint should really be whether this person is better than anything I've seen or anything I currently have. After all, you are just matching with another like you on the planet. Person to person.