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From: Cleveland, Ohio
Registered: Jun 2009

posted January 03, 2010 08:01 PM         

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All this negative 12th house stuff is a bunch of fear-based negative nonsense.

I'm learning to see that all the 12th house stuff about doom and gloom is a matter of perspective.

Venus in 12th prone to affairs - pppfffft! venus in 12th great for doing art behind the scenes. I know someone who is a 12th house venus and a very successful freelance designer. My own venus is a few degrees from the 12th (in the 11th and I think it's in a good place.)

mercury in 12th - miscommunication, being misunderstood pppfffft! great for writing impactful stuff behind the scenes , deep meaningful thoughts, meditation, reflection... My mercury is conjunct my sun and I must say I'm not a Gem but have the gift of communicating through the arts and hidden interests in the intellectual.

Sun in 12th - depression, loneliness, suicidal. pppffft! I like my alone time. I can travel anywhere and be comfortable being by myself, I'm reflective, meditative, spiritual, my life's work is behind the scenes so I do well in art and avoid the limelight (though I am a Leo rising so I don't mind if you realize how competent and talented I am.) Lonely - I must admit this does happen frequently and it occasionally lead to being depressed. I'm trying to learn to deal with living this life alone. I'm 46 not married - I have tons of freedom, but still need to learn to balance my interactions with other people and my solitary nature.

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posted January 03, 2010 08:43 PM         

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I agree with Kat, the doom & gloom, all a matter of perspective. Although it does take getting used to before your able to understand & embrace it's potential.

I have a 12H Sun squared by Neptune. I get premonition dreams especially regarding major life turning points. Lived a very solitary life, all my life...used to be pretty manic depressive since childhood. As a young adult, I now realize it was all for a reason...self mastery--before I could help others.

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posted January 04, 2010 12:11 AM         

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Yes of course, it is generalization, and I was just speaking of the one person I knew, his sun/moon/venus/asc were all in Libra. So, no disprespect intended.

Ami Ann- I recently read in another post of your seriousness of your issues with "M", I am assuming you meant your Mom. I apologize if my reply to you sounded flip, I had no idea of what was going on by what you wrote here, I am so sorry for what you have been through..

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posted January 04, 2010 01:34 AM         

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anyone had any experience with ppl who have natal pluto in their 12th house ?

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posted January 04, 2010 01:36 AM         

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also in Synastry, has anyone had any experience with your natal pluto falling in the other person's 12th house? How much of an effect do you have on them?

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posted January 04, 2010 04:30 AM         

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The first time I'd ever heard of 12th house associated with all the doom and gloom and cheating, etc, was when I joined this site. I've always associated the 12th house with spirituality and intuition, connection to spirit, unity with creation, etc.

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posted January 04, 2010 08:10 AM         

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I didn't see a curt response ((Gypsy)). The M is mother.

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